Whites (Present & Future)
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Hustle and Defense
Jeff Foster - 1977
Chris Andersen - 1978
Ryan Bowen - 1975
Luis Scola - 1980
David Lee - 1983
Matt Harpring - 1976
Andries Biedrins - 1986
Andrei Kirilenko - 1981
Manu Ginobili - 1977
Kirk Hinrich - 1981
Troy Murphy - 1980
Luke Ridnour - 1981
Matt Bonner - 1980
Kevin Love - 1988
Brook Lopez - 1988
Mike Miller - 1980
Spencer Hawes - 1988
These are players who display the terms hustle and defense. They scrap for loose balls, bang bodies, block, steal, anything thing to help the team. There are a number of whites in college have this (Hansbrough is best mention).Edited by: j41181
Jeff Foster - 1977
Chris Andersen - 1978
Ryan Bowen - 1975
Luis Scola - 1980
David Lee - 1983
Matt Harpring - 1976
Andries Biedrins - 1986
Andrei Kirilenko - 1981
Manu Ginobili - 1977
Kirk Hinrich - 1981
Troy Murphy - 1980
Luke Ridnour - 1981
Matt Bonner - 1980
Kevin Love - 1988
Brook Lopez - 1988
Mike Miller - 1980
Spencer Hawes - 1988
These are players who display the terms hustle and defense. They scrap for loose balls, bang bodies, block, steal, anything thing to help the team. There are a number of whites in college have this (Hansbrough is best mention).Edited by: j41181
ToughJ.Riggins
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I'd put Steve Blake in place of Ridnour; I think he's a better defender. But great list!
BTW: Is Diener a good defender? He played pretty darn well for Indiana last year.
In fact Indiana finished off the year higher ranked seed wise in the East (than current rank this yr.) with Diener playing a lot and DunLeavy (currently hurt) playing great at SG.
And this was without Jarret Jack, T.J Ford and with Jermain O'Neil injured for most of the season. Also Brandon Rush hadn't arrived yet. They were doing better last year with white guards, without most of these new media favorite black guards.
But as we know the media would like you to believe the Pacers are more ATHLETIC and a BETTER team this year.
BTW: Is Diener a good defender? He played pretty darn well for Indiana last year.
In fact Indiana finished off the year higher ranked seed wise in the East (than current rank this yr.) with Diener playing a lot and DunLeavy (currently hurt) playing great at SG.
And this was without Jarret Jack, T.J Ford and with Jermain O'Neil injured for most of the season. Also Brandon Rush hadn't arrived yet. They were doing better last year with white guards, without most of these new media favorite black guards.
But as we know the media would like you to believe the Pacers are more ATHLETIC and a BETTER team this year.
Thanks for reminding me, TJR!
Blake and Diener are very good defensive players, and solid playmakers, with Deiner better on the offensive end. Blake has been getting all the breaks so far in Porland. But Deiner has never been given any chance at all. I wonder when?
Indiana is pretty much out of the playoff picture, they could at least let him play to have his status reevaluated for next season. What do they accomplish just letting him sit? I really don't understand what Jim O'Brein is up to, why not just let Deiner play, he is actually an exciting player to watch. Offensively, he plays like Jason Williams.
Blake and Diener are very good defensive players, and solid playmakers, with Deiner better on the offensive end. Blake has been getting all the breaks so far in Porland. But Deiner has never been given any chance at all. I wonder when?
Indiana is pretty much out of the playoff picture, they could at least let him play to have his status reevaluated for next season. What do they accomplish just letting him sit? I really don't understand what Jim O'Brein is up to, why not just let Deiner play, he is actually an exciting player to watch. Offensively, he plays like Jason Williams.
RBNY123
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Chris Quinn is a great shooter and in my opinion a pretty good passer as well but most people don't no how explosive he is as an athlete. He had a 36 inch vert at the nba pre draft combine. I found this video when i was searching for highlights of him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iZTJMEHS8A
this kid should definetly be getting way more playing time, athletic, great shooter, quick, what else do they need
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iZTJMEHS8A
this kid should definetly be getting way more playing time, athletic, great shooter, quick, what else do they need
ToughJ.Riggins
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Yeah I remember seeing Quinn's vertical leap numbers; in fact I thought it was 37 inches.
I hate it when highly touted black rookies come in and they automatically get the playing time. Mario Chalmers has been solid for Miami, but isn't playing better than Quinn last year or this year, but is getting FAR more playing time.
Same thing with Brandon Rush, who's stinking it up by the way, playing more than Diener in Indiana although Rush is a SG, but still. The situation is indeed ridiculous.
Give Portland's coach Nate McMillen credit for making Bayless wait his turn with the team doing so well with Blake and Rodriguez at the point. Blake is a good starting PG and Rodriguez also definitely deserves to be ahead of Bayless too at this point.Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
I hate it when highly touted black rookies come in and they automatically get the playing time. Mario Chalmers has been solid for Miami, but isn't playing better than Quinn last year or this year, but is getting FAR more playing time.
Same thing with Brandon Rush, who's stinking it up by the way, playing more than Diener in Indiana although Rush is a SG, but still. The situation is indeed ridiculous.
Give Portland's coach Nate McMillen credit for making Bayless wait his turn with the team doing so well with Blake and Rodriguez at the point. Blake is a good starting PG and Rodriguez also definitely deserves to be ahead of Bayless too at this point.Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
RBNY123
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ur right it was 37, that is amazing, i wish he would dunk a few just to shut everyone up. He isn't playing i mean even though he may not be getting a lot of minutes he still is scoring on average 6 points a game.
Freethinker
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One of our future stars Marc Gasol had his best game of his young career last night. Marc had 20 pts (on 7-8, imagine if he was allowed to shoot as much as his negro teammates!), 8 rebounds, 10 assists! as well as 3 steals and 3 blocks.
Is it any coincidence that the only centers I can think of to get 10 assists consistently are/were white? Pau Gasol, Brad Miller, Vlade Divac, Arvydas Sabonis etc.
Is it any coincidence that the only centers I can think of to get 10 assists consistently are/were white? Pau Gasol, Brad Miller, Vlade Divac, Arvydas Sabonis etc.
pistol pete
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Freethinker said:
Well, because those guys can pass.
hard to get 10 assists if you don't know how to pass.
For instance the late Yinka Dare had 4 assists -- in 110 career games.
by the way, i was at the game when Brad Miller had the triple double. he was on the kings and he really put it to my Grizzlies.
Whites are naturally unselfish players. But, why is it you never see more than 5 whites in the TOP 10 assists charts? It's because they hardly touch the ball. Pau Gasol could make 5-6 assists per game if the ball went through him more. The same is true for other skilled passing whites (especially the guards). You make assists with the ball in your hands too y'know. The fact whites hardly demand for the ball is another sign of unselfishness, or just lack of assertion.pistol pete said:Freethinker said:
Well, because those guys can pass.
hard to get 10 assists if you don't know how to pass.
For instance the late Yinka Dare had 4 assists -- in 110 career games.
by the way, i was at the game when Brad Miller had the triple double. he was on the kings and he really put it to my Grizzlies.
Freethinker
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good points j41181.
Funny you bring up Yinka Dare, Pistol Pete. Living here in NYC I got to see Dare play on the Nets. I almost feel bad saying this because he passed, but he was definitely one of the top 3 worst players I've seen in my basketball watching days.
According to wiki: "He still holds the NBA record for most consecutive minutes played without an assist."Edited by: Freethinker
Funny you bring up Yinka Dare, Pistol Pete. Living here in NYC I got to see Dare play on the Nets. I almost feel bad saying this because he passed, but he was definitely one of the top 3 worst players I've seen in my basketball watching days.
According to wiki: "He still holds the NBA record for most consecutive minutes played without an assist."Edited by: Freethinker
Steve Blake has been magnificent, double-digit scoring in 7 of his last 8 games:
13 points, 5 assists vs. Dallas
15 points, 5 assists vs. New Jersey
9 points, 3 assists vs. Atlanta
13 points, 6 assists vs. Memphis
14 points, 8 assists vs. Indiana
12 points, 7 assists vs. Cleveland
21 points, 6 assists vs. Milwaukee
22 points, 5 assists vs. Philadelphia
A really steady player this Steve Blake has become. He's one of the most underrated starting point guards in the NBA.
13 points, 5 assists vs. Dallas
15 points, 5 assists vs. New Jersey
9 points, 3 assists vs. Atlanta
13 points, 6 assists vs. Memphis
14 points, 8 assists vs. Indiana
12 points, 7 assists vs. Cleveland
21 points, 6 assists vs. Milwaukee
22 points, 5 assists vs. Philadelphia
A really steady player this Steve Blake has become. He's one of the most underrated starting point guards in the NBA.
Steve Blake played well today again:
14 points, 3 rebounds, 3 assists
Rudy Fernandez had a BREAKOUT game:
23 points, 2 assists, 2 steals
8-10 FG's
5-6 3pt's
2-3 FT's
Portland beat Phoenix 129-109. Blake has been playing very well so far. This was Rudy's best game in a while, since suffering a nasty injury against the Lakers. Keep it up for both Blake, and Rudy!
Edited by: j41181
14 points, 3 rebounds, 3 assists
Rudy Fernandez had a BREAKOUT game:
23 points, 2 assists, 2 steals
8-10 FG's
5-6 3pt's
2-3 FT's
Portland beat Phoenix 129-109. Blake has been playing very well so far. This was Rudy's best game in a while, since suffering a nasty injury against the Lakers. Keep it up for both Blake, and Rudy!
Edited by: j41181
What happened to Robert Swift? Injuries, or an inability to make the jump from high school to the NBA?
whiteathlete33
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Don Wassall said:
He plays but not many minutes. He only averages 3.5 points per game in 14 minutes of playing time.
Robert Swift has been injury prone ever since he jumped to the NBA from high school. While he did have some promising games, the Thunder have virtually given up on him. The signing of Nenad Krstic sez it all. Krstic has been playing solid in his return trip to the NBA, not bad when he busted his knee two years ago. Nick Collison is also playing solid basketball at the moment.Don Wassall said:
Robert Swift has been stuck to the bench ever since the signing of Krstic. This guy might as well need a trade to start fresh somewhere.
Jimmy Chitwood
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whiteathlete33 said:
he also suffered a devastating knee injury during his rookie year. he lost a lot of his explosive leaping ability to it, i'm afraid.
thanks for the info guys, too bad.
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How about Joe Alexander the other night. He had 16 points in 23 minutes. This kid could be a star if he went to the right team and they were patient with him. His athleticism is off the charts!
It was a career high for him. But he's been on the bench all season. Though he might see significant action as the season closes. His rookie year has been really quiet with a few sparks. We'll just have to see next season. I have no doubt he's got great upside to his game, not to mention his incredible athleticism. He just needs serious playing time, and I hope he will get it next season. If not, then something is really wrong with the coaching staff. Edited by: j41181white lightning said:
Comeback Whites of the Year:
Nenad Krstic
This guys suffered a bad knee injury during the 06-07 season. He just played with no confidence in the 07-08 season and he was released by the Nets there after. After spending part of this season in Europe, he was signed by the Thunder, and has worked his way into becoming the teams starting center.
Chris Andersen
After getting a 2 year ban from the NBA due to drugs, the Birdman is back, and with a vengeance. He has become one of the best shotblockers, despite coming of the bench. He has made several spectacular jams and swats along the way, becoming a fan favorite in Denver. His overall game is vastly improved also, being able to score and hit his FT's with better consistency.
It's very nice to see these guys back in the NBA!
Nenad Krstic
This guys suffered a bad knee injury during the 06-07 season. He just played with no confidence in the 07-08 season and he was released by the Nets there after. After spending part of this season in Europe, he was signed by the Thunder, and has worked his way into becoming the teams starting center.
Chris Andersen
After getting a 2 year ban from the NBA due to drugs, the Birdman is back, and with a vengeance. He has become one of the best shotblockers, despite coming of the bench. He has made several spectacular jams and swats along the way, becoming a fan favorite in Denver. His overall game is vastly improved also, being able to score and hit his FT's with better consistency.
It's very nice to see these guys back in the NBA!