White Olympic Team

[Guest]

To be more specific, white American Olympic Team. Someone suggested that an America team made of whites would not be competitive, but I beg to differ. I think an American white basketball team would win gold, playing the best team basketball and putting on a shooting display that would go down in Olympic history.

Despite over a couple decades of "ethnic cleansing" of American whites from the NBA, the talent pool of American whites just in the NBA is huge. I provide my own white Olympic team below. As you can see, the team would be solid in every aspect, passing, shooting, rebounding, toughness, athleticism, you name it.

The following would be my 15 man roster. Not sure who I would cut to get it down to final 12, as you can see, it would be difficult.

C - C Kaman, B Miller, S Hawes
PF - D Lee, T Murphy, L Walton
SF - M Dunleavy, K Korver, M Harpring
SG - M Miller, J Kapono, M Carroll
PG - K Hinrich, D Dickau, T Diener



Edited by: 89Glory

 

[celticdb15]

89 i would cut Hawes, Diener, and Walton. The team is pretty well rounded though. These guys are all great athletes, my only complaint is that they need an up pace player.

 

[Alpha Male]

How about Jason Williams to push the floor?

 

[Guest]

I thought about J Williams, but as I understand it, he is a bit past his prime.Maybe I am wrong, I hope to see him do well with the Clippers this year. By career accomplishments, he would definitely take Diener and Dickau's spots.

Celt: Hawes has definitely not shown the impact of the other centers, but he is more up-and-coming, and has won a championship on USA's under-18 squad, while perhaps B Miller is past his prime.

It was also be hard to leave J Voskuhl off the squad, with his tough and athletic play down low.

And Walton, boy he can play tough, and what a passer!Edited by: 89Glory

 

[celticdb15]

Well 89 they can all play!

Three guys i would love to see that have not even had a chance to really shine in the nba and in Alexanders case have not even played, are Adam Morrison, J.J. Redick, and Joe Alexander. Also think how much of a beast Tyler Hansbrough would be down low, he would fit in with the international style of play.

 

[ThatBlackGuy]

To be more specific, white American Olympic Team. Someone suggested that an America team made of whites would not be competitive, but I beg to differ. I think an American white basketball team would win gold, playing the best team basketball and putting on a shooting display that would go down in Olympic history.



Despite over a couple decades of "ethnic cleansing" of American whites from the NBA, the talent pool of American whites just in the NBA is huge. I provide my own white Olympic team below. As you can see, the team would be solid in every aspect, passing, shooting, rebounding, toughness, athleticism, you name it.



The following would be my 15 man roster. Not sure who I would cut to get it down to final 12, as you can see, it would be difficult.



C - C Kaman, B Miller, S Hawes

PF - D Lee, T Murphy, L Walton

SF - M Dunleavy, K Korver, M Harpring

SG - M Miller, J Kapono, M Carroll

PG - K Hinrich, D Dickau, T Diener

That team is terrible defensively. Dunleavy, Korver, Miller, Hinrich, Miller and especially Troy Murphy are all terrible defenders. None of those guys have the speed really to play that makeup D, so you would have to constantly play a zone with a team like that. The only real ballhandlers on that team are Dunleavy and Hinrich. Dickau shows flashes of being able to facilitate an offense, but hes very inconsistent, him and Eric Snow are about on the same level.

Miller would be good down low because hes a good passer and a potential threat from the outside. The problem is that while this team has some lights out shooters like Kapono, Miller and Hinrich (from 3pt range at least) you have virtually no threat at midrange except troy murphy and hes very streaky from that standpoint and Harpring maybe, because hes also very inconsistent. Any team that could bust a zone would tear this team apart. They would have to outshoot their opponents because of their lack of speed. Honestly, with no REAL athletic threat to the basket, this team would be in real trouble if they had to play from behind, because not alot of those guy can really draw fouls. This team mostly consists of 3pt specialists who rarely create their own shot (kapono, korver, harpring).

David Lee is a really good player though. Deiner hopefully would have good chemistry with dunleavy since they have been together for a minute. Overall, i dont think this team is better than Spain or Argentina.

Another thing, not a single one of these players has been on a Championship team, thats why you need a guy like JWill who at the very least, is still atheletic enough to try to get to the hoop and would play a jason kidd like role in facilitating young gaurds like Dickau and Hinrich, but overall, this team is middle of the pack. between spain and argentina as well as russia.

 

[celticdb15]

Here is a younger team that may fit black guys criteria for speed and defense


C- Chris Kaman, Tyler Hansbrough


PF- David Lee, Kevin Love, Troy Murphy


SF- Mike Dunleavy, Matt Harpring, Joe Alexander


SG- Mike Miller, Adam Morrison, Brent Barry (There is your championship)


PG- Kirk Hinrich, Jason Williams, Travis Diener

 

[PhillyBirds]

That team is terrible defensively. Dunleavy, Korver, Miller, Hinrich, Miller and especially Troy Murphy are all terrible defenders. None of those guys have the speed really to play that makeup D, so you would have to constantly play a zone with a team like that. The only real ballhandlers on that team are Dunleavy and Hinrich. Dickau shows flashes of being able to facilitate an offense, but hes very inconsistent, him and Eric Snow are about on the same level.

Miller would be good down low because hes a good passer and a potential threat from the outside. The problem is that while this team has some lights out shooters like Kapono, Miller and Hinrich (from 3pt range at least) you have virtually no threat at midrange except troy murphy and hes very streaky from that standpoint and Harpring maybe, because hes also very inconsistent. Any team that could bust a zone would tear this team apart. They would have to outshoot their opponents because of their lack of speed. Honestly, with no REAL athletic threat to the basket, this team would be in real trouble if they had to play from behind, because not alot of those guy can really draw fouls. This team mostly consists of 3pt specialists who rarely create their own shot (kapono, korver, harpring).

David Lee is a really good player though. Deiner hopefully would have good chemistry with dunleavy since they have been together for a minute. Overall, i dont think this team is better than Spain or Argentina.

Another thing, not a single one of these players has been on a Championship team, thats why you need a guy like JWill who at the very least, is still atheletic enough to try to get to the hoop and would play a jason kidd like role in facilitating young gaurds like Dickau and Hinrich, but overall, this team is middle of the pack. between spain and argentina as well as russia.

All very valid points. Well analyzed.

 

[Guest]

TBG: I think you are getting confused by caste-NBA rules and roles.Just because they have been assigned the "designated White spot-up shooter" in the NBA does not mean that is all they can do.For most of them, just look to their college careers, when they were all-around, from-everywhere-on-the-court primary-threat scorers.

Our American white guys are way more athletic than Team Spain, for example, and way more skilled, and way better shooters. You would no doubt say that the Celtics of the 80's "lacked speed" too, but they somehow were one of the best teams ever, playing help defense, with great shooters and great passers.

The sum of a white team is greater than its parts, because they play better as a team, both passing and on defense.Conversely, the sum of a black team is usually worse than its parts, for the same reasons in reverse (as USA basketball 2002-2006 revealed).

Celt: I intentionally avoided the young guys you added (T Hansbrough, K Love, J Alexander, A Morrison), because they have not proven themselves yet. In a "training camp try-out" scenario like we used to have, they might just make the team. Frankly, I forgot about B Barry, but I think he might be a bit past his peak too. I guess he would be a "training camp decision".

 

[ThatBlackGuy]

TBG: I think you are getting confused by caste-NBA rules and roles.Just because they have been assigned the "designated White spot-up shooter" in the NBA does not mean that is all they can do.For most of them, just look to their college careers, when they were all-around, from-everywhere-on-the-court primary-threat scorers.



Our American white guys are way more athletic than Team Spain, for example, and way more skilled, and way better shooters. You would no doubt say that the Celtics of the 80's "lacked speed" too, but they somehow were one of the best teams ever, playing help defense, with great shooters and great passers.



The sum of a white team is greater than its parts, because they play better as a team, both passing and on defense.Conversely, the sum of a black team is usually worse than its parts, for the same reasons in reverse (as USA basketball 2002-2006 revealed).



Celt: I intentionally avoided the young guys you added (T Hansbrough, K Love, J Alexander, A Morrison), because they have not proven themselves yet. In a "training camp try-out" scenario like we used to have, they might just make the team. Frankly, I forgot about B Barry, but I think he might be a bit past his peak too. I guess he would be a "training camp decision".

Mchale, Ainge, Bird could all create when they needed and were not liabilities on defense, also, were talking about one of the greatest teams ever, not a single player on that list you gave me holds much of a candle to that 80's celtics team. Hell, the 2008 team in my opinion doesnt hold a candle to that 80's celtics team. It takes a great team to take down SHOWTIME and they did it, those guys on the celtics could play, those werent good "white athletes" or "black athletes" they were great PERIOD.


I really dont care about caste and all that other stuff, i am telling you my experience of watching these guys. I dont care about college neither because we are talking NBA. Troy Murphy and Dunleavy were key players of my franchise, the warriors. I know what alot of those guys can do and cant do. I dont care much about white, or black. I care about what i see in their game. I told you exactly what i thought, dont try to spin it into how i think the "nba" views it. Those guys i named do exactly what i said they do or close to it. If you think i am wrong, i am only an opinion, thats fine.

Also, the NBA was a different game in the 80's, you cant compare that era to now and im not going to try to. I was fair in my assesment. I even suggested who should do what and where. Hell, someone else even added brent barry which was a great suggestion, along with the possibility of kevin love. Fact is, almost all of those guys are soft defenders.. I know this because i watch the NBA, and i observe who can do what.


My argument is player specific in most instances, your argument degenerated into "a black team does this". I dont care what a black team does, thats not the subject. I am talking about your "team" is what we are discussing. I have no agenda coming into this thread at all.

 

[Observer]

Good thread... kind of wish I knew enough that I could offer a constructive comment.

 

[Don Wassall]

I have no agenda coming into this thread at all.

Then why did you name yourself ThatBlackGuy?

 

[ThatBlackGuy]

I have no agenda coming into this thread at all.

Then why did you name yourself ThatBlackGuy?

Because im black and im a guy.

Its very fitting.

 

[Don Wassall]

Fascinating. This site hasan agenda, which is to support white athletes. What'syour agenda?

 

[ThatBlackGuy]

Fascinating. This site hasan agenda, which is to support white athletes. What'syour agenda?

to discuss the NBA. Which i did. Is there a problem?

I am also wondering where Luke Ridnour is on this team
Edited by: ThatBlackGuy

 

[PhillyBirds]

Don, I don't think this guy is a troll in the same vein as some of the others. He's at least offering some insightful analysis and viewpoints, as opposed to senseless bashing or something of the sort.

While his...unique point of view is a little unorthodox for the site, maybe he understands where we're coming from. Maybe. If TBG ends up posting something productive about white athletes in the future, more power to him.

If not, then I'm wrong (which happens a lot), and he's just another ignorance-mongering troll. But I think you'll agree his posts are a bit different from the ones we've seen from posters like Landslide or Rob.Edited by: PhillyBirds

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Philly, just because he's may not be in the same vein as some of the other trolls doesn't mean he isn't. Not all trolls are alike in technique or intelligence. Let him defend himself and prove himself not a troll. Don gives them an adequate chance to do so.

 

[pt.guard2]

I agree that the Celtics of the 80's with Bird, McHale, Ainge....not to mention Bill Walton and Scott Wedman would have been able to beat any combination of the teams above.

They would also have the advantage of having played together as a team for some time (much like many of the other countries we faced in the Olympics) which helps tremendously.

Hinrich is not a bad defender actually, but even though he plays the point, he often guards the other team's 2 guard, which puts him at a size disadvantage.

 

[Alpha Male]

"I really dont care about caste and all that other stuff..."





Then why are you here? There are plenty of other sites where you can discuss your position from a mainstream view.

 

[Observer]

"I really dont care about caste and all that other stuff..."


Then why are you here?  There are plenty of other sites where you can discuss your position from a mainstream view. 

Are there? I think the Caste & crew under-rates its attraction. The Internet is full of imbecilic discussion forums and jargon wer ppl tp lk dis and it is a relief to come across something better. IQ here is 120+ but nastiness sometimes hits the genius level (not meant as a compliment).Edited by: Observer

 

[Guest]

TBG: Every team and every player has weaknesses. If you think there are better white players at those spots, slot them in and tell us why, like Celt did. Otherwise, you are just another anti-white troll, who just likes to tear down.

My argument did not degenerate. I am saying whites are better known for and very successful at team defense. You are laying down the caste blanket that none of those players can get to the line with strong drives, nor can they play defense, both of which claims are crap.You are just repeating tired caste stereotypes.

The fact is, even if my white American team doesn't bring defensive skill as their primary strength, so what? Team USA didn't exactly shut Spain down, did they? Despite the fact that defense was supposedly their calling card and ultimate strength. Quite the opposite. When it came down to it, they couldn't shut Spain down and got into a shooting match. If they hadn't been shooting the lights out (thanks largely to the one guy who carried them all tournament, D Wade), they would have lost.

So, I reject your claim that my guys can't take it to the rack and play bad defense, but even granting it, they would still win gold, easily. As you yourself admitted, it would be the greatest collection of shooters on the planet.

Let me remind YOU, history has PROVEN, USA teams that specialize with "defensive athletes" get destroyed, a la 2002 and 2004.And even the 2008 team had guys up and down the roster who supposedly can't play defense. It was their team concept and rotational schemes that made 2008 a strong defensive team (at least until they ran into the Spanish juggernaut).


Edited by: 89Glory

 

[Jimmy Chitwood]

That team is terrible defensively. Dunleavy, Korver, Miller, Hinrich, Miller and especially Troy Murphy are all terrible defenders. None of those guys have the speed really to play that makeup D, so you would have to constantly play a zone with a team like that.

for the sake of argument, let's just pretend that you are right. but i will take it one step further, and not bother quoting all the other "horrid flaws" every white player currently in the NBA has that you provided. so i will put together a team that is made up of gifted ball players, of whom the NBA has completely ignored all but a couple. fair enough?

Another thing, not a single one of these players has been on a Championship team...

fair enough. how about if i select a group of players, most of whom took their collegiate teams to the high-point of that program's basketball achievement? will that be good enough for you?

Mchale, Ainge, Bird could all create when they needed and were not liabilities on defense, also, were talking about one of the greatest teams ever, not a single player on that list you gave me holds much of a candle to that 80's celtics team. Hell, the 2008 team in my opinion doesnt hold a candle to that 80's celtics team. It takes a great team to take down SHOWTIME and they did it, those guys on the celtics could play, those werent good "white athletes" or "black athletes" they were great PERIOD.

completely agree. the 80s Celtics/Lakers were probably the two best teams in NBA history. however, despite obvious facts to the contrary, most people still seem to think Bird, Ainge, and McHale couldn't guard anybody... i guess when they played the Lakers, the Celtics just prayed to the leprechaun for a lot of LA misses.

now, here's a team that is unlike any you'll see elsewhere. because, unlike yourself (and apparently many on the board), i know for a fact that all the best players in the world aren't in the NBA. i know for certain all the good white American players aren't.

for this hypothetical line-up and the notion that this team would play immediately, i only included guys who aren't currently injured and are no longer in college.

Point guard: Jared Jordan (6-2), Drew Neitzel (6-0)
Shooting guard: Jaycee Carroll (6-2), Adam Haluska (6-5), Mike Gansey (6-4)
Small forward: Chuck Eidson (6-7), Nik Caner-Medley (6-8), Joe Alexander (6-8)
Power forward: Casey Calvary (6-8), Chris Andersen (6-10), Josh McRoberts (6-10)
Center: Kevin Love (6-10), Steven Hill (7-0)

i went with a smaller, athletic, more up-tempo squad much like the one Team USA put together, because apparently that is the only style thatblackguy can appreciate.

there are several phenomenal defensive players, though they are all also great passers and scorers, too. with the exception of Steven Hill. as for Kevin Love, i think he is just. that. good.

this team is incredibly versatile with the ability to adjust to any style of play. while only two players on the roster have been given much hype from the NBA, they all possess NBA-calibre game. and most have been dominating overseas since the NBA "caste" them aside.

if you are unfamiliar with any of these players, just say so and i will break them down for you.

i don't know if my team would win the gold, because there are several good teams around the globe. however, i know two things: 1) they would be awfully fun to watch, and 2) they'd be awfully hard to guard.Edited by: Jimmy Chitwood

 

[Guest]

Speaking of Steven Hill, did you see the Blazers just signed Steven Hill and Luke Jackson?Let's see, with Pryzbilla, Blake, Rudy, and Sergio, they are definitely going a deeper shade of pale.

Good god, just realized, the Suns gave up both Rudy and Sergio for cash.

But at least they have Shaq for a couple more years!uggh

 

[ThatBlackGuy]

TBG: Every team and every player has weaknesses. If you think there are better white players at those spots, slot them in and tell us why, like Celt did. Otherwise, you are just another anti-white troll, who just likes to tear down.



My argument did not degenerate. I am saying whites are better known for and very successful at team defense. You are laying down the caste blanket that none of those players can get to the line with strong drives, nor can they play defense, both of which claims are crap.You are just repeating tired caste stereotypes.



The fact is, even if my white American team doesn't bring defensive skill as their primary strength, so what? Team USA didn't exactly shut Spain down, did they? Despite the fact that defense was supposedly their calling card and ultimate strength. Quite the opposite. When it came down to it, they couldn't shut Spain down and got into a shooting match. If they hadn't been shooting the lights out (thanks largely to the one guy who carried them all tournament, D Wade), they would have lost.



So, I reject your claim that my guys can't take it to the rack and play bad defense, but even granting it, they would still win gold, easily. As you yourself admitted, it would be the greatest collection of shooters on the planet.



Let me remind YOU, history has PROVEN, USA teams that specialize with "defensive athletes" get destroyed, a la 2002 and 2004.And even the 2008 team had guys up and down the roster who supposedly can't play defense. It was their team concept and rotational schemes that made 2008 a strong defensive team (at least until they ran into the Spanish juggernaut).

This argument would be better if it wasnt for the fact that they blew out every other team that they faced, and the fact that spain only actually gave them a game in the gold medal round. You had one game where they didint blow the other team out, ONE. The defensive scheme for team USA worked because most of those guys are incredibly fast and nearly all of them are fearless finishers at the hoop. However each one of those guys are all capable of taking over a game whenever nessecary. Against spain, they needed that at a critical time and they got it. Its not everyday you see someone posterizing Dwight Howard, which was hilarious mind you.

Granted, guys Carmelo and Lebron are pretty bad defenders, it was the scheme that made it work like both of us have already pointed it out. Not to mention, Lebron can pass and he can get to the hoop, Carmelo is practically unstoppable near the hoop and is a streaky shooter from the outside. Personally, i dont like Carmelo much because i think hes a little kid most of the time.

Another thing, TEAM USA didint let NBA players really get off against us, if you look at the stats on who killed us, it was alot of unknowns, in the case of Spain, Rudy Fernandez was killing, and i forgot who else, there was one other guy. Either way, Ginobili (although he was injured early), Bogut, Gasol (Pau), Yao and a bunch of other guys made it so that they would have to someone other than the star player that would have to hurt us, alot of these team revolve around the leadership of one or two guys and when you shut them out, and no one else steps up, you get blown out, which is why TEAM USA put it on everyone else so badly. I think Luis Scola had a pretty decent game though from what i remember watching.

You say i am laying down "stereotypes", i want you to tell me which one of those guys is known for consistently getting to the line, and at the same time, going strong to the hoop and is capable of changing up the momentum of an entire game? I mean honestly, i have seen ALMOST every one of those guys and off of memory, possibly Mike Miller, Dunleavy has improved since going to indiana but i seriously havent seen him much on TV since he plays for an out of market team and he was traded. You tell me which one of those guys statistically gets to the line with ease. I told you which players i thought could do what, now YOU tell me what they can do.

You cant just run to the idea that i am adhering to any "system" when you make your argument, you have to actually tell me WHICH PLAYERS you feel i assessed wrongly. I told you these guys would get killed in a man to man, they would. I told you they would have a play a zone, if you honestly think they are fast enough to play the pressure style D or some halfcourt trap, or a fullcourt press then you are free to think that. I dont think it would work.

 

[ThatBlackGuy]

That team is terrible defensively. Dunleavy, Korver, Miller, Hinrich, Miller and especially Troy Murphy are all terrible defenders. None of those guys have the speed really to play that makeup D, so you would have to constantly play a zone with a team like that.

for the sake of argument, let's just pretend that you are right. but i will take it one step further, and not bother quoting all the other "horrid flaws" every white player currently in the NBA has that you provided. so i will put together a team that is made up of gifted ball players, of whom the NBA has completely ignored all but a couple. fair enough?

Another thing, not a single one of these players has been on a Championship team...

fair enough. how about if i select a group of players, most of whom took their collegiate teams to the high-point of that program's basketball achievement? will that be good enough for you?

Mchale, Ainge, Bird could all create when they needed and were not liabilities on defense, also, were talking about one of the greatest teams ever, not a single player on that list you gave me holds much of a candle to that 80's celtics team. Hell, the 2008 team in my opinion doesnt hold a candle to that 80's celtics team. It takes a great team to take down SHOWTIME and they did it, those guys on the celtics could play, those werent good "white athletes" or "black athletes" they were great PERIOD.

completely agree. the 80s Celtics/Lakers were probably the two best teams in NBA history. however, despite obvious facts to the contrary, most people still seem to think Bird, Ainge, and McHale couldn't guard anybody... i guess when they played the Lakers, the Celtics just prayed to the leprechaun for a lot of LA misses.

now, here's a team that is unlike any you'll see elsewhere. because, unlike yourself (and apparently many on the board), i know for a fact that all the best players in the world aren't in the NBA. i know for certain all the good white American players aren't.



for this hypothetical line-up and the notion that this team would play immediately, i only included guys who aren't currently injured and are no longer in college.



Point guard: Jared Jordan (6-2), Drew Neitzel (6-0)

Shooting guard: Jaycee Carroll (6-2), Adam Haluska (6-5), Mike Gansey (6-4)

Small forward: Chuck Eidson (6-7), Nik Caner-Medley (6-8), Joe Alexander (6-8)

Power forward: Casey Calvary (6-8), Chris Andersen (6-10), Josh McRoberts (6-10)

Center: Kevin Love (6-10), Steven Hill (7-0)



i went with a smaller, athletic, more up-tempo squad much like the one Team USA put together, because apparently that is the only style thatblackguy can appreciate.



there are several phenomenal defensive players, though they are all also great passers and scorers, too. with the exception of Steven Hill. as for Kevin Love, i think he is just. that. good.

this team is incredibly versatile with the ability to adjust to any style of play. while only two players on the roster have been given much hype from the NBA, they all possess NBA-calibre game. and most have been dominating overseas since the NBA "caste" them aside.



if you are unfamiliar with any of these players, just say so and i will break them down for you.

i don't know if my team would win the gold, because there are several good teams around the globe. however, i know two things: 1) they would be awfully fun to watch, and 2) they'd be awfully hard to guard.

Its not that I only appreciate uptempo style of play, its just the original team i saw up there i didint think was all that great, or would be all that great if they got cold, since if they did, very few of those guys could take it to the hoop. Whats worse is when i started thinking of "white" replacements for most of the positions, most of them werent from this country, which kind of made it tough for me to replace guys, even then, i still said what they would have to do to win, and just because i didint rate them over Argentina and Spain, 2 of the best teams in international ball who have guys who can get to the hoop and have elite outside shooting thats been PROVEN in world play, shouldnt be a reason for you to just assume "thats all i can appreciate".

Now this team, i have seen a few of them in college, but even then i am not incredibly familiar with them. The only ones i really know are Jordan, Gansey and Anderson. Running a squad like this is actually kind of better, you know why? Most of these guys have game no ones seen before, they are completely scouted just yet. You could basically run just about whatever scheme you wanted depending on the strength of the team.

Individually though, i need to know who would really be doing what. What kind of offense if it. Who are the best finishers at the hoop. Who are the deep threats, who can create their own shot not just for themselves but also be a threat on the pass. Defensively whats important in international ball is not allowing open looks on that weakly placed 3pt line. Thats where most teams get killed, that 3pt line is a load of B.S and i hope they widen it someday.