Ukrainians remember the holodomor

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3229000.stm

Ukrainians around the world are marking the 70th anniversary of the great famine, which they describe as a genocide against their nation.

Historians estimate at least seven million Ukrainians died during the 1932-33 famine, which was deliberately started by the then Soviet leader Joseph Stalin and his Jewish handler Lazar Kaganovich.

Under his policy of forced collectivisation of agriculture, farmers in Ukraine - known as the "bread basket" of the USSR - were stripped of all their produce, leaving millions of people with virtually no food to survive.

Yet one of the darkest chapter in Ukraine's recent history, remains largely unknown to the world, and the commemorations have already been overshadowed by controversy.

http://www.holodomorsurvivors.ca/Home.html

http://www.ukrainianmuseum.org/ex_080527holodomor-genocidebyfamine.html
 

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The Forgotten Genocide

by Eric Margolis

Toronto – Canada will soon make an important contribution to the cause of historical accuracy, human rights, and justice. To coincide with last week’s visit to Ottawa of Ukraine’s president, Viktor Yushchenko, the Canadian government announced it planned to recognize the mostly forgotten 1932–1933 genocide in Ukraine.

Ottawa’s decision was motivated as much by ethnic politics as historic justice: there are 1.1 million Canadians of Ukrainian descent. But Ottawa still deserves kudos for doing the right thing.

For eight decades, the greatest mass murder in modern history has been shamefully covered up or ignored. I have been repeatedly shocked to receive letters from young Americans and Canadians of Ukrainian descent saying they had known nothing about the 1930’s genocide, or "Holdomor," until reading about it in my columns. Hopefully, more will now know.

From 1932–33, Stalin and henchmen, Lazar Kaganovitch and Vyacheslav Molotov, conducted a merciless campaign to crush resistance by Ukrainian farmers to communism and collectivization. They isolated Ukraine, then cut off all food supplies and seeds. Six to nine million Ukrainians died from the ensuing man-made famine and mass shootings of "anti-State elements" by secret police execution squads. Cannibalism became common.

Large numbers of Ukrainians were also murdered during the Great Terror of 1936-38 in which an estimated 2 million Soviet citizens were shot and the same number died in Stalin’s concentration camps.

In the late 1940’s and early 1950’s, the Soviet penal system reached its zenith: 5.4 million people were prisoners in the gulag. Some 300,000 more Ukrainians were sent to concentration camps under the supervision of Commissar Nikita Khrushchev, and 21,259 were killed in Soviet "pacification" campaigns and against independence fighters. Other Ukrainian nationalist leaders were assassinated in Western Europe by special Soviet hit teams.

During the same period, Moscow unleashed terror on the tiny Baltic states. From March to May, 1949, 95,000 Lithuanians, 27,000 of them children, were sent to concentration camps. In total, 120,000 Lithuanians, 50,000 Latvians and 30,000 Estonians went to the gulag where the death rate was 51% per annum.


While the Western world rightly commemorates genocide inflicted on Armenians, Europe’s Jews, Cambodians, Rwandans, and Bosnians, it shamefully shut its eyes to the Ukrainian Holdomor because it was conducted by a key wartime ally whom President Franklin Roosevelt hailed as "Uncle Joe."

Nor has the West ever acknowledged genocide against other peoples of the Soviet Union. In the Caucasus, Stalin sent most of the Chechen and Ingush peoples to the gulag, where 500,000 died. Yet when the children of the survivors fought for independence from Russia, the West branded them "Islamic terrorists."

Up to three million Muslims of the Soviet Union died at Stalin’s hands, including 1.5 million Kazakhs and Crimean Tatars. Yet no holocaust memorials exist for them.

Nearly 100,000 Moldovans were murdered in a purge conducted by then Commissar Leonid Brezhnev, who would later lead the Soviet Union and be feted by Western leaders. Add to this butcher’s bill Volga Germans, Greeks, Cossacks, Armenians and Poles.

If we keep demanding that Germany and Japan atone for their wartime crimes, is it not time for our governments to finally recognize and atone their alliance with the biggest mass murderer in history, Josef Stalin, a man whose crimes exceeded those of Adolf Hitler by a factor of at least three or four times? Particularly so in the United States, where World War II has become something of a state religion and is endlessly invoked by conservatives and neocons to justify foreign military adventures.

Neither Roosevelt nor Churchill cared to admit they had allied themselves with a greater criminal than Hitler to wage their "Crusade for Freedom," nor that the price of this compact with the devil was giving Eastern Europe to the Soviets. In the end, the Allies destroyed a lesser threat, Germany, and in doing so, created a greater one, the nuclear-armed Soviet Union.

Roosevelt’s and Churchill’s alliance with Stalin, whom they knew to be a mass murderer and tyrant, in my view denies the Allies any claim to have been waging a "just" or "good war." When the lingering clouds of wartime propaganda finally dissipate, future historians will likely look back on the western Allies as not much morally superior to Germany or the USSR, though certainly less murderous.

Communists and leftists everywhere joined in covering up Stalin’s crimes. For example, to the end of his life, Jean Paul Sartre kept insisting Stalin’s gulag was a fiction created by western propaganda. The official Communist Party line was that the deaths of millions of Ukrainians was simply an unfortunate natural disaster that also affected other parts of the USSR.

In North America, intense attention to the Jewish Holocaust tended to push all other national historic tragedies into the background or completely eclipse them. The fact that during the 1930’s, many senior officers of Stalin’s Cheka, or secret police, were Jewish, including Kaganovitch, led to ferocious reprisals against Ukraine’s Jews in the following decade. As a result, Ukrainians were permanently branded "anti-Semites"; their suffering received scant sympathy.

Soviet dissident Vladimir Bukovsky demanded a Nuremburg trial for all the Soviet crimes, but unfortunately this will never happen. Most of the criminals are dead. The Soviet Eichmann, Lazar Kaganovitch, died peacefully in Moscow in 1991; Molotov died in 1986. In fact, not a single Soviet official was ever indicted for the crime committed by the state from the 1920’s to 1953, though many Cheskisti were liquidated during Stalin’s purges.
 
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There was a movie made of this, "Harvest of Despair". And sadly this was a REAL holocaust, and consequently there are not millions of "survivors" sitting on their fat tukhases in Miami Beach and West Hollywood clamoring for ever more "reparations" and welfare checks. The countless millions of Russians and eastern Europeans who disappeared in the Jewish Gulags, also sadly likewise - and likewise the surrendered German soldiers - average age 17 - mass murdered in Eisenhowers post war death camps - real death camps - no millions of survivors.

Death_Camp_for_dumb_Krauts.JPG


Rare photo of Eisenhower's post war death camps where more (surrendered) German soldiers died than died on the entire western front. They forgot to teach you about this in school or on tv, and Steven Spielberg forgot to make any Hollywood docudramas about it too.
 

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There was a movie made of this, "Harvest of Despair". And sadly this was a REAL holocaust, and consequently there are not millions of "survivors" sitting on their fat tukhases in Miami Beach and West Hollywood clamoring for ever more "reparations" and welfare checks. The countless millions of Russians and eastern Europeans who disappeared in the Jewish Gulags, also sadly likewise - and likewise the surrendered German soldiers - average age 17 - mass murdered in Eisenhowers post war death camps - real death camps - no millions of survivors.

Death_Camp_for_dumb_Krauts.JPG


Rare photo of Eisenhower's post war death camps where more (surrendered) German soldiers died than died on the entire western front. They forgot to teach you about this in school or on tv, and Steven Spielberg forgot to make any Hollywood docudramas about it too.

I was with you until "more (surrendered) German soldiers died than died on the entire western front". Don't believe it. That's over 1 million dead. Just like with the story of the jew holocaust I cannot see how that kind of killing could be done in the time allotted with the resources available.
 
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The jewish crimes against White Europeans are simply staggering. In the past it was done through jewish communism and the "Allied" golem. Today the negro and may-hee-can are the kosher weapons of choice, along with the long march through the culture.

To think of all the Whites killed by negro crime, illegal immigrant crime, fratricidal wars, zionism and communism makes me physically ill. The 21st Century truly was the jewish Century, no doubt about that. We were the victims.
 

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Interesting sources here about German deaths after the war:

http://www.ihr.org/other/july09weber.html

http://www.serendipity.li/hr/bacque01.htm

http://www.saveyourheritage.com/eisenhowers_death_camps.htm

Far more Germans were killed in Eastern Europe than in the west. The Bolsheviks killed everybody who was left in East Prussia when they arrived, and renamed all the streets and towns before bringing in Russians to replace them.

The Soviets killed or moved every single German out of a large area between the current eastern border of Germany and the 1939 Polish border. As the Soviets annexed Eastern Poland, they let Poland annex a large area of Germany where German people had lived since the first recorded history in the area about 100 AD.

The Jews were exceedingly cruel and vindictive toward all Germans in the East German refugee camps. There is a book written by a Jew who was there at the time, the other Jews tried to prevent it from being published:

THE UNTOLD STORY OF JEWISH REVENGE AGAINST GERMANS IN 1945

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-15754452.html

All the German people in Yugoslavia, Romania, Czecheslovakia (Sudenten) etc. were forced to leave or killed. There had been large German minorities sometimes in the millions in the East European countries - they were all either killed or forced to leave, men women and children.

The refugee camps in Western Germany were overcrowded because of the millions who managed to escape before the Soviets arrived, and there were serious food shortages in the winter of 1945-46 and many small children died of malnutrition.

http://www.sources.com/SSR/Docs/SSRW-Organised_Persecution_of_Ethnic_Germans.htm

There was a large refugee camp near the border of Denmark where virtually all the small German children died.

http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/7000children.html
 
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The jewish crimes against White Europeans are simply staggering. In the past it was done through jewish communism and the "Allied" golem. Today the negro and may-hee-can are the kosher weapons of choice, along with the long march through the culture.

To think of all the Whites killed by negro crime, illegal immigrant crime, fratricidal wars, zionism and communism makes me physically ill. The 21st Century truly was the jewish Century, no doubt about that. We were the victims.


Way back in the middle of the 19th century when most Jews were still living in their little shtetels, Fyodor Dostoevsky actually predicted that the twentieth century - the most disastrous in the history of the white race - would be the Jewish century.
 

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There was a movie made of this, "Harvest of Despair". And sadly this was a REAL holocaust, and consequently there are not millions of "survivors" sitting on their fat tukhases in Miami Beach and West Hollywood clamoring for ever more "reparations" and welfare checks. The countless millions of Russians and eastern Europeans who disappeared in the Jewish Gulags, also sadly likewise - and likewise the surrendered German soldiers - average age 17 - mass murdered in Eisenhowers post war death camps - real death camps - no millions of survivors.

Death_Camp_for_dumb_Krauts.JPG


Rare photo of Eisenhower's post war death camps where more (surrendered) German soldiers died than died on the entire western front. They forgot to teach you about this in school or on tv, and Steven Spielberg forgot to make any Hollywood docudramas about it too.
My grandfather survived an internment camp. It was harsh something like two hard biscuits a warm beverage and hard manual labour building up Italy and France because the municipal buildings were blown up by the Germans as the allies advanced in those countries. Also you slept outdoors without heating in tents. I think my grandfather developed bronchitis because of the conditions. Needless to say thousands perished. People knew about the conditions in Germany but who was going to complain, especially after the civilian population was brow beaten by the allies about the atrocities of their government.
 

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"My grandfather survived an internment camp. It was harsh something like two hard biscuits a warm beverage and hard manual labour building up Italy and France..."


I'm sure the conditions there were terrible but luckily for him he wasn't in the real American death camps, as above, which were in occupied Germany.

Then there was Operation Keelhaul. Ever hear of that? Probably not because they forgot to tell you about that on tv, and Steven Spielberg forgot to make a docudrama about that too.

Millions of anti-communist Russians and Slavic eastern Europeans fought for western civilization along with Germany including tens of thousands of former USSR soldiers who were led by General Vlassov in the Russian Liberation Army. After the war ended the Russians surrendered to the Americans and British, but had they known what was in store for them they would have fought to the death, because once they were surrendered and disarmed the Americans and British turned them over to the tender mercies of "Uncle" Joe Stalin. Many of them committed suicide when they found out about the treachery. Few of them ever returned.

Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-N0301-503%2C_General_Wlassow_mit_Soldaten_der_ROA.jpg


Genral Vlassov and the RLA

There is a Russian Cossack museum in New Jersey that has a gigantic mural on the wall depicting Operation Keelhaul.



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"My grandfather survived an internment camp. It was harsh something like two hard biscuits a warm beverage and hard manual labour building up Italy and France..."I'm sure the conditions there were terrible but luckily for him he wasn't in the real American death camps, as above, which were in occupied Germany.ww
Here's a good article about those camps:http://www.rense.com/general19/camps.htm
 

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"My grandfather survived an internment camp. It was harsh something like two hard biscuits a warm beverage and hard manual labour building up Italy and France..."


I'm sure the conditions there were terrible but luckily for him he wasn't in the real American death camps, as above, which were in occupied Germany.

Then there was Operation Keelhaul. Ever hear of that? Probably not because they forgot to tell you about that on tv, and Steven Spielberg forgot to make a docudrama about that too.

Millions of anti-communist Russians and Slavic eastern Europeans fought for western civilization along with Germany including tens of thousands of former USSR soldiers who were led by General Vlassov in the Russian Liberation Army. After the war ended the Russians surrendered to the Americans and British, but had they known what was in store for them they would have fought to the death, because once they were surrendered and disarmed the Americans and British turned them over to the tender mercies of "Uncle" Joe Stalin. Many of them committed suicide when they found out about the treachery. Few of them ever returned.

Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-N0301-503%2C_General_Wlassow_mit_Soldaten_der_ROA.jpg


Genral Vlassov and the RLA

There is a Russian Cossack museum in New Jersey that has a gigantic mural on the wall depicting Operation Keelhaul.



ww
German soldiers when their army was obviously finished actually had marches westward to surrender to the Americans or British, because they knew if the surrendered to the Russians they would die in the gulags or die marching to the gulags. Russian soldiers were known to steal clothing from German prisoners because they were so poorly equipped by their own government. I have seen historians mention that thousands of German and other allies died in the Soviet Union in the gulags.
 
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