What is with England and their constant injuries? Gerrard missed the 02 WC. Beckham wasn't fully fit for that. Owen and Rooney were not fully fit for 06. Owen was then injured in the first game. Beckham was not fully fit in the 06 WC and I think was taken off the field the last game. Rooney was inured in 04 euros. Now this year. These are the ones I can think of. They had a ton of injuries for the 08 Euro qualifying which cost them a place. There might be more.
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What is with England and their constant injuries? Gerrard missed the 02 WC. Beckham wasn't fully fit for that. Owen and Rooney were not fully fit for 06. Owen was then injured in the first game. Beckham was not fully fit in the 06 WC and I think was taken off the field the last game. Rooney was inured in 04 euros. Now this year. These are the ones I can think of. They had a ton of injuries for the 08 Euro qualifying which cost them a place. There might be more.
It might be because the English game is more physical and very few English players ever play outside of England. They also have two cup tournaments - F.A. and League (better known by its sponsor name Coca Cola, Worthington, Carling, etc). Of course, it could just be bad luck.
Porthos
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Bad news from Italy. They will almost certainly play Balotelli as their first striker!
Here's the list from the Italian coach Prandelli. Apart from Giovinco and possibly DiNatale (who is getting a bit old and often chokes in the National team), attack seems the weak part of the team. Miccoli from Palermo who had an exceptional season was not picked up. The Nigerian Ogbonna from 2.division Torino was also on the list, as discussed.
Goalkeepers: Buffon (Juventus), De Sanctis (Napoli), Sirigu (Paris St. Germain), Viviano (Palermo)
Defenders: Abate (Milan), Astori (Cagliari), Balzaretti (Palermo), Barzagli (Juventus), Bocchetti (Rubin Kazan), Bonucci (Juventus), Chiellini (Juventus), Criscito (Zenit St. Petersburg), Maggio (Napoli), Ogbonna (Torino), Ranocchia (Inter)
Middlefielders: Cigarini (Atalanta), De Rossi (Roma), Diamanti (Bologna), Giaccherini (Juventus), Marchisio (Juventus), Montolivo (Fiorentina), Thiago Motta (Paris St. Germain), Nocerino (Milan), Pirlo (Juventus), Schelotto (Atalanta), Verratti (Pescara)
Strikers: Balotelli (Manchester City), Borini (Roma), Cassano (Milan), Destro (Siena), Di Natale (Udinese), Giovinco (Parma).
Here's the list from the Italian coach Prandelli. Apart from Giovinco and possibly DiNatale (who is getting a bit old and often chokes in the National team), attack seems the weak part of the team. Miccoli from Palermo who had an exceptional season was not picked up. The Nigerian Ogbonna from 2.division Torino was also on the list, as discussed.
Goalkeepers: Buffon (Juventus), De Sanctis (Napoli), Sirigu (Paris St. Germain), Viviano (Palermo)
Defenders: Abate (Milan), Astori (Cagliari), Balzaretti (Palermo), Barzagli (Juventus), Bocchetti (Rubin Kazan), Bonucci (Juventus), Chiellini (Juventus), Criscito (Zenit St. Petersburg), Maggio (Napoli), Ogbonna (Torino), Ranocchia (Inter)
Middlefielders: Cigarini (Atalanta), De Rossi (Roma), Diamanti (Bologna), Giaccherini (Juventus), Marchisio (Juventus), Montolivo (Fiorentina), Thiago Motta (Paris St. Germain), Nocerino (Milan), Pirlo (Juventus), Schelotto (Atalanta), Verratti (Pescara)
Strikers: Balotelli (Manchester City), Borini (Roma), Cassano (Milan), Destro (Siena), Di Natale (Udinese), Giovinco (Parma).
Rio Ferdinand was not picked for England. Hopefully, Cahill will start with Terry.Adam Carroll was also picked.
I have no idea who he will play at midfield. Lampard, Gerrard Barry are on the team. Could all 3 play, especially if Parker doesn't? If Parker is healthy it might be Parker, Gerrad, Lampard with Rooney up front and 2 wingers, who could be black--Walcott, Young and Chamberlain. They also have Milner and Downing as wingers. Adam Johnson is on standby. Johnson and Cole will be the right and left backs. They could have only 2 blacks playing if the team is picked in a certain way and both of those will be mixed race.
I don't know about Downing. What do others think of him?
I have no idea who he will play at midfield. Lampard, Gerrard Barry are on the team. Could all 3 play, especially if Parker doesn't? If Parker is healthy it might be Parker, Gerrad, Lampard with Rooney up front and 2 wingers, who could be black--Walcott, Young and Chamberlain. They also have Milner and Downing as wingers. Adam Johnson is on standby. Johnson and Cole will be the right and left backs. They could have only 2 blacks playing if the team is picked in a certain way and both of those will be mixed race.
I don't know about Downing. What do others think of him?
frederic38
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i have read that gerrard will be the captain, so that means that he will play, right?
lampard should play, it's not like there are dozens of english players who will play the champions league final
regarding the fullbacks, i thought that phil jones could play as a fullback?
so the defence could be:
hart
phil jones-terry-cahill-ashley cole
i watched some liverpoll matches, so i saw him play
it's hard to tell how good he is since premier league is so different, they play a different kind of football there
but i have to say that he seemed average to me
walcott will be picked ahead of him i think
but milner could be picked ahead of young
i hope andy carroll will play, he will have an oportunity to show what he can do outside of premier league
he has something special
look at his goal against chelsea in the FA cup final:
[video=youtube_share;32JOYJpHgLI]http://youtu.be/32JOYJpHgLI[/video]
and this was done against john terry, not some random english defender
this goal reminds me of falcao's goal in the UEFA league final this year: http://youtu.be/PTncZSB6ZE0
The thing about Andy Carroll is the media and public are never going to get past how much money he cost - the most ever for a British player and the most in Liverpool history. It's almost impossible to find a press or blog article that doesn't mention this. But if he'd been signed for much less money they'd be saying "Andy Carroll has shown some potential. He could be a Liverpool star some day". But no, every time he does something wrong they say "the £35 million man should do better than that". Even when he scores they say something about Liverpool "finally getting a little bit of value for their money but they need more from him". At this rate he could become a major EPL star and he'll still be seen as a disappointment due to ridiculous expectations.
frederic38
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yes, i noticed that
he is one of the most hated players out there
olivier giroud has the same problem
you can tell that everybody wait for him to fail, so they can tell that he was over-hyped
in the media they always compare him to andre pierre gignac, another white (part gipsy) striker who had 1 good season with a mediocre french club, but failed to take it to the next level
they all hope that giroud will do the same
carroll was over-priced, but it has always been this way for local players
for example rio ferdinand was the most expansive defender in the world when he went to manchester united from leeds
carroll is not the most expansive striker in the world
another great goal, against manchester city:
http://youtu.be/vztavIaT5Po
Zeus
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So what team will be the least white in this tournament? I am mostly Greek and part French and I can't help it and root for these two nations................well to be honest in the world cup final of 2006, I was rooting for Italy against that African team, that mess wasn't no France.
Do we have any idea yet, how many white players the 23 team roster of France will include and how many will be starters?
I miss world champion team of France of 1998, I remember the team usually started with 8 or 9 whites in most games.
Do we have any idea yet, how many white players the 23 team roster of France will include and how many will be starters?
I miss world champion team of France of 1998, I remember the team usually started with 8 or 9 whites in most games.
frederic38
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the coach gave a list of 26 players instead of 23, so it's not the real list yet
i would say that the team will most likely be 50% white
and we might have 7 white starters, 6 if we are not lucky
we will be one of the blackest teams, but not the blackest, with most likely 2 black starters (a full back and a defensive middlefielder)
Yea, Gerrad will play I would think. Gerrard has been hurt so maybe he will be much fresher for the tourney. Rooney, Jones and Young should be fresher since they were not out of the Champions League early.
Lampard has been playing great. He had 2 great passes against Barca and a great pass in the FA Cup Final to Drogba. Lampard is another player that it seems like the English hate. He was runner up for World Footballer of the Year once, but some English fans think he's not that good and not world class, which he is.
I hope Phill Jones starts at right back, but I have a feeling Johnson will since he has been the starter.
It seems like now the wingers have to be fast black guys if you have them. These guys will never be as good as Beckham though. How many goals did Beckham set up over the years. He picked the faster Downing over Johnson too.
Giles Daldanus
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Looking forward to the tournament, first time it will be held in this part of the world and I hope that it will be a resounding success! I am sure that there will be plenty of action-packed games and the atmosphere should be unique.
All the squads have now been announced (with the exception of Spain, as Del Bosque wants to give David Villa and Puyol some time to recover from their injuries before trimming down the Spanish roster). Barcelona and Chelsea footballers (Torres and Mata) are currently preparing for the Copa del Rey and the Champions League finals respectively.
Steven Gerrard will captain England during the Euro 2012 championship, as Ferdinand did not make the final cut (probably due to fitness issues). Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain and John Ruddy are the two uncapped footballers who were included in Hodgson's squad.
Disappointing that Michael Carrick is not even on standby (he allegedly demanded to be a guaranteed starter, but Roy Hodgson wasn’t willing to oblige) and Paul Scholes could have been considered as well.
As for Downing, I think that he is a useful addition to the squad, as he is the type of player who tends to punch above his weight when on national team duty (the same probably applies to Gareth Barry) and is a good crosser of the ball on occasions…Downing and Carroll should have developed a good understanding due to playing together as Liverpool teammates.
Pertaining to Germany, I think that the coach should have been much more adventurous in his picks – Roman Weidenfeller has been quite consistent for Dortmund and arguably had a better season than Tim Wiese (Werder Bremen had an underwhelming season), so he could have been rewarded for some of his performances. Of course Neuer is certain to start.
Shame that Andreas Beck (one of Hoffenheim’s best players), Stefan Kießling (has been in very good form), Johannes Flum (promising young midfielder) and Jan Schlaudraff (versatile player, does well as both playmaker and striker) miss out…it’s odd that Cacau was selected given that he has not been first choice for his club (VfB Stuttgart).
Hannover 96 did quite well in the UEFA Cup and quite a few of their stars were Germans – Stindl, Pander, Rausch, Schmiedebach, but they have somehow slipped under Joachim Löw radar.
I read that youngster Draxler found out that he had received a call-up during a break between classes (he is still a high school student). That’s what one calls a pleasant surprise!
However, I guess that he is one of those who are least likely to make the final squad.
Russia’s team is looking very strong…I am somewhat nonplussed that Semak, Bystrov and Yanbaev were omitted - they are excellent as back-up players and Semak may retire soon, so he deserved his “swansong†tournament.
Most likely starting line-up: Akinfeev; Ignashevich-V. Berezutskiy-A. Berezutskiy-Y. Zhirkov; Semshov-Shirokov-Denisov-Arshavin; Dzagoev-Kerzhakov.
As for Ukraine, I feel sorry for Oleksandr Rybka (very harsh to receive a ban when your country is hosting a major football competition for the first time in its history). Vasyl Kobin from Donetsk used to be a starter for Ukraine, but has hardly been able to get a game for Shakhtar over the past few months, so will have to swallow the bitter pill. Dynamo Kyiv goalkeeper Oleksandr Shovkovskiy and especially Dmytro Chigrinskiy (who recently played for FC Barcelona) are two surprising absences.
My predicted starting lineup: Pyatov; Kucher-Mykhalyk-Rakitskiy-Selin; Tymoshchuk-Husyev-Nazarenko-Rotan; Shevchenko-Milevskiy.
All the squads have now been announced (with the exception of Spain, as Del Bosque wants to give David Villa and Puyol some time to recover from their injuries before trimming down the Spanish roster). Barcelona and Chelsea footballers (Torres and Mata) are currently preparing for the Copa del Rey and the Champions League finals respectively.
Steven Gerrard will captain England during the Euro 2012 championship, as Ferdinand did not make the final cut (probably due to fitness issues). Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain and John Ruddy are the two uncapped footballers who were included in Hodgson's squad.
Disappointing that Michael Carrick is not even on standby (he allegedly demanded to be a guaranteed starter, but Roy Hodgson wasn’t willing to oblige) and Paul Scholes could have been considered as well.
As for Downing, I think that he is a useful addition to the squad, as he is the type of player who tends to punch above his weight when on national team duty (the same probably applies to Gareth Barry) and is a good crosser of the ball on occasions…Downing and Carroll should have developed a good understanding due to playing together as Liverpool teammates.
Pertaining to Germany, I think that the coach should have been much more adventurous in his picks – Roman Weidenfeller has been quite consistent for Dortmund and arguably had a better season than Tim Wiese (Werder Bremen had an underwhelming season), so he could have been rewarded for some of his performances. Of course Neuer is certain to start.
Shame that Andreas Beck (one of Hoffenheim’s best players), Stefan Kießling (has been in very good form), Johannes Flum (promising young midfielder) and Jan Schlaudraff (versatile player, does well as both playmaker and striker) miss out…it’s odd that Cacau was selected given that he has not been first choice for his club (VfB Stuttgart).
Hannover 96 did quite well in the UEFA Cup and quite a few of their stars were Germans – Stindl, Pander, Rausch, Schmiedebach, but they have somehow slipped under Joachim Löw radar.
I read that youngster Draxler found out that he had received a call-up during a break between classes (he is still a high school student). That’s what one calls a pleasant surprise!
However, I guess that he is one of those who are least likely to make the final squad.Russia’s team is looking very strong…I am somewhat nonplussed that Semak, Bystrov and Yanbaev were omitted - they are excellent as back-up players and Semak may retire soon, so he deserved his “swansong†tournament.
Most likely starting line-up: Akinfeev; Ignashevich-V. Berezutskiy-A. Berezutskiy-Y. Zhirkov; Semshov-Shirokov-Denisov-Arshavin; Dzagoev-Kerzhakov.
As for Ukraine, I feel sorry for Oleksandr Rybka (very harsh to receive a ban when your country is hosting a major football competition for the first time in its history). Vasyl Kobin from Donetsk used to be a starter for Ukraine, but has hardly been able to get a game for Shakhtar over the past few months, so will have to swallow the bitter pill. Dynamo Kyiv goalkeeper Oleksandr Shovkovskiy and especially Dmytro Chigrinskiy (who recently played for FC Barcelona) are two surprising absences.
My predicted starting lineup: Pyatov; Kucher-Mykhalyk-Rakitskiy-Selin; Tymoshchuk-Husyev-Nazarenko-Rotan; Shevchenko-Milevskiy.
frederic38
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yes, beckham had an incredible career
he could put the ball exactly where he wanted
he was a freak
@giles:
the french team hasn't been announced yet, he gave a list of 26 players though
the funny thing is that pyatov looks almost exactly like rybka
i expected chigrinsky to be on the list too
he won the ukranian league with his club (loaded with brazilians)
but if the coach does not pick him, he must have good reasons to do so
i'm happy that schevshenko is on the list
i would put yarmolenko as a starter, i think he played a lot recently for ukraine
this team will be the biggest surprise
by the way today tymoschuk will probably play the champions league final
he was the player i was refering to when i said "i hope the coach will be smart and move a white player from the middlefield to the central defence"
Rebajlo
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Porthos -
Sorry if my last post sounded a bit harsh and hypercritical - that wasn't my intention, mate. I added a "wink" emoticon following my tongue in cheek comment about suspecting that people don't bother to read my posts - maybe I should have added a couple more to lighten the tone a bit...
frederic38 said:
Frederic -
Artur Boruc should have been included ahead of Lukasz Fabianski. Unfortunately, Smuda views Boruc as a "disruptive" figure. Boruc has been frozen out of national team contention since the end of 2010 when he was expelled for disciplinary reasons...
Denmark have named the black Simon Poulsen as one of the 20 players whose places in the squad have been confirmed (Morten Olsen shall announce the final three players by the 24th May).
Sweden's final squad includes the black Martin Olsson (Blackburn Rovers), the Iranian Behrang Safari (Anderlecht), and the Albanian Emir Bajrami (FC Twente).
Portugal have picked four blacks (Pepe, Nani, Rolando, Silvestre Varela) in their 23.
Eight of England's 23 players are black :censored: :yell: :mad2::
Ashley "Cashley" Cole
Glen "Rope Head" Johnson
Joleon "The Scalp" Lescott
Theo "Watch Me Run, Just Don't Watch Me Cross" Walcott
Ashley "One and a Half Somersaults, Twist" Young
Alex "No Caps But A Double-Barrelled Name" Oxlade-Chamberlain
Jermain "The Constipated Midget" Defoe
Danny "The Dope" Wellbeck
I'll be interested to see who will start up front while Rooney is serving his suspension. Jermaine Defoe is more suited to being fired out of a cannon in some sort of circus sideshow than playing high-pressure international football...
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frederic38
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thanks for the nicknames
regarding artur boruc, very often the coach takes goal keepers who will be willing to be on the team, even if they don't play
for example in france we have carrasso has a 3rd goal keeper, while other french goal keepers are better than him (ruffier, costil...)
i expected more
rolando shouldn't play, the defense should be carvalho-pepe
so it's not bad
i wonder if varela will play
i guess he will, so that would be 8 whites and 3 blacks (including pepe who is not very black)
edit: they also have bruno alves who is part-brazilian
Porthos
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This brings back memories from 2010 WC...
[video=youtube;eph6MupPcQA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eph6MupPcQA[/video]
Now they've got their token Black and can pass the test from UEFA's multi-kulti police, but please keep this guy out of the first squad. He could destroy everything good their (very good) offence creates.
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Poulsen could play for America too. I found this while looking him up. This kind of shows how ridiculous America is.
This is from 2010
This is from 2010
The United States is known, for good reason, as a nation of immigrants. That reality is reflected in the makeup of our national team. Plenty of American players could have represented another country, like that despicable Judas traitor Giuseppe Rossi did. And conversely, plenty of players playing for foreign national teams could have suited up for the Yanks, like that despicable Judas traitor Giuseppe Rossi could have. So many players, in fact, you could make up an entire 23-man national team out of dual-citizenship holding Americans.GK:Tim Howard – (USA/Hungary) He may be the final line of Yankee defense, but our very own Timmeh could have been a Magyar had he wished. His mother was born in Hungary, meaning Howard was theoretically eligible to play for the team of Puskas and Kubala.Boaz Myhill – (Wales/USA) The Hull City keeper may play his international football for Wales, but he was born in Modesto, California.Darren Randolph – (Ireland/USA) Randolph’s father emigrated to Ireland to play in the Irish basketball league. The Bray-born goalkeeper has gone on to represent Ireland at every level below the senior national team.DF:Carlos Bocanegra – (USA/Mexico) The American captain has a Mexican father, but we won’t hold that against him.Neven Subotic - (Serbia/USA) Although he plays for Serbia now, the Borussia Dortmund defender lived in the US for several years, and represented the US as a youth international before switching nationalities.Oguchi Onyewu – (USA/Nigeria) Onyewu’s parents immigrated to the US so that Onyewu’s father could play soccer at Howard University.
Brede Hangeland – (Norway/USA) Now the Norwegian captain, Hangeland was born in Houston, Texas, but his family moved back to Norway when he was two.
Seb Hines – (England/USA) His father is an American, but Leeds-born Hines has represented England at U19 level.
Edgar Castillo – (USA/Mexico) Born in Los Cruces, New Mexico, Castillo represented El Tri four times before switching to play for the United States.
Jonathan Spector – (USA/Germany) Both of his mother’s parents came to the US from Germany, and Spector holds a German passport.
MF:
Stuart Holden – (USA/Scotland) Originally hailing from Aberdeen, Holden’s family moved to Texas when he was 12, and the midfielder made a name for himself with Major League Soccer’s Houston Dynamo before become a fixture in the USMNT.
Simon Poulsen – (Denmark/USA) Born and raised in Denmark, the AZ midfielder is the son of an American father.
Ryan Smith – (England/USA) English by birth, KC winger Smith’s father is an American. Despite picking up a youth cap for England, speculation has begun that Smith co
Freddy Adu - (USA/Ghana) Once widely tipped to be the first American megastar, Adu was born in Ghana, and courted by the Ghanaian national team before the 2006 World Cup.
Jermaine Jones – (USA/Germany) The son of an American serviceman stationed in Europe, Jones played 3 times for Germany before opting to change to the US team.
Danny Szetela – (USA/Poland) New Jersey product Szetela played at various youth levels for the US, but briefly considered playing his senior football for Poland
Sacha Kljestan – (USA/Bosnia) The owner of the worst mustache in American soccer, Kljestan’s father played semi-professionally in Serbia.
Benny Feilhaber – (USA/Brazil/Austria) The playmaker was born in Brazil, and his paternal grandfather fled WW2 Austria, making him eligible for three different nations.
Maurice Edu - (USA/Nigeria) The defensive midfielder boasts two parents from Nigeria.
FW:
Landon Donovan – (USA/Canada) Quite possibly the best player the US has ever produced, Donovan’s father is from Canada. I think we can safely say he’s ours, though.
Giuseppe Rossi – (Italy/USA) You know about it, I know about it. Moving on.
Jozy Altidore – (USA/Haiti) The USA’s resident prodigy is quite famously a son of two Haitian parents.
Herculez Gomez – (USA/Mexico) Both of Gomez’s parents were Mexican immigrants to the USA.
Brede Hangeland – (Norway/USA) Now the Norwegian captain, Hangeland was born in Houston, Texas, but his family moved back to Norway when he was two.
Seb Hines – (England/USA) His father is an American, but Leeds-born Hines has represented England at U19 level.
Edgar Castillo – (USA/Mexico) Born in Los Cruces, New Mexico, Castillo represented El Tri four times before switching to play for the United States.
Jonathan Spector – (USA/Germany) Both of his mother’s parents came to the US from Germany, and Spector holds a German passport.
MF:
Stuart Holden – (USA/Scotland) Originally hailing from Aberdeen, Holden’s family moved to Texas when he was 12, and the midfielder made a name for himself with Major League Soccer’s Houston Dynamo before become a fixture in the USMNT.
Simon Poulsen – (Denmark/USA) Born and raised in Denmark, the AZ midfielder is the son of an American father.
Ryan Smith – (England/USA) English by birth, KC winger Smith’s father is an American. Despite picking up a youth cap for England, speculation has begun that Smith co
Freddy Adu - (USA/Ghana) Once widely tipped to be the first American megastar, Adu was born in Ghana, and courted by the Ghanaian national team before the 2006 World Cup.
Jermaine Jones – (USA/Germany) The son of an American serviceman stationed in Europe, Jones played 3 times for Germany before opting to change to the US team.
Danny Szetela – (USA/Poland) New Jersey product Szetela played at various youth levels for the US, but briefly considered playing his senior football for Poland
Sacha Kljestan – (USA/Bosnia) The owner of the worst mustache in American soccer, Kljestan’s father played semi-professionally in Serbia.
Benny Feilhaber – (USA/Brazil/Austria) The playmaker was born in Brazil, and his paternal grandfather fled WW2 Austria, making him eligible for three different nations.
Maurice Edu - (USA/Nigeria) The defensive midfielder boasts two parents from Nigeria.
FW:
Landon Donovan – (USA/Canada) Quite possibly the best player the US has ever produced, Donovan’s father is from Canada. I think we can safely say he’s ours, though.
Giuseppe Rossi – (Italy/USA) You know about it, I know about it. Moving on.
Jozy Altidore – (USA/Haiti) The USA’s resident prodigy is quite famously a son of two Haitian parents.
Herculez Gomez – (USA/Mexico) Both of Gomez’s parents were Mexican immigrants to the USA.
Howard University - otherwise known as the "black Harvard":icon_rolleyes:
Zeus
Guru
Do we have any sign or indication for which team will have the least white roster in this Euro? I am sure it's one between the UK and France, right?
England could easily have 10 white starters. Hopefuliy, they will have at least 8 when Rooney is back.
I was watching the Euro u17 final and the Dutch team had 5 black starters. Germany had 2 black starters and a third that came on.
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Porthos
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It's a toss between the Netherlands, France, Portugal and England. Probably France, but it will be decided at the last moment. Other than that, the tournament is pretty White if you compare it with league competitions like France's League 1 or English PL or even the Champions League. Slavic teams are almost lilly-White (with token negroes in the Czech Republic and Croatia lineups). Communism, bad as it was, seems to have created much less racial damage than the capitalistic "democratic" system.
frederic38
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i think that england will be the blackest team, because in france there are only 2 black players who can start
but france might be the less white team, because we will have arabs, while england don't have them
but france might be the less white team, because we will have arabs, while england don't have them
Zeus
Guru
Again Arabs can be fully Caucasians just like us, Benzema and Zidane are not white men? Come on seriously?
Guys sometimes I feel like we fall into the trap of the Jewish propaganda as well.........I think it's scientifically proven at this point that a big percentage of Arabs are "white" just like us.
frederic38
Hall of Famer
i agree that from our point of view it's better to have a team with 2 arabs than a team with 2 blacks
but arabs are not white, and jews always helped arabs to stand against whites
arabs are also more friendly towards jews than towards whites
see for example in the middle ages when jews helped arabs to conquer spain:
from wikipedia
see also this video:
[video=youtube_share;4RXgTnWJSmQ]http://youtu.be/4RXgTnWJSmQ[/video]
Zeus
Guru
Mon Pot, I agree that some Arabs culturally and genetically are not whites, but trust me I have met many in person who are and feel white and are beyond disgusted with the Jews and Negroes. I won't even lie, I have met even Jews who were fully racists and anti-blacks and claimed to be white, seriously!
I agree that some Arabs (especially the non white ones) hate us with a passion, but in my opinion no one is worse and more violent than Negroes. These people, especially African Americans hate us with an extreme passion, I strongly believe that if they had the power, they would try to kill every white man and take us off from the face of the earth.
Back to football though, let me put this way, what team will have the most Negroes in the starting 11 or roster, to know which team to dislike hahaha :high5: