accesscrimea said:
Barcelona - 2 blacks? Who is the second?
I think calling Giggs black is ridiculous but I guess that is subjective.
Great goals all round, particularly the last one.
accesscrimea said:
I always thought of Alves just as a classic Brazilian hodge-podge (bit of Amerindian, bit black, bit white) rather than exclusively black.
accesscrimea - So, You think that calling Giggs black is ridiculous, eh?
Let's begin by having a look at a young Giggs with daddy:
So, if his old man is black (technically a mulatto - Danny Wilson had a white mother), that makes Giggs onequarter black, does it not?Phenotypes can be very fickle indeed and Giggscould easily have been bornwithpronounced black features and dark skin.Then what?You'd happilycall him black - yet his genetic makeup would be no different.
As things go, Giggs is generally referred to as belonging to that rapidlygrowing British categorylabelledas "mixed race". That, incidentally,is also synonymous with "non-White".
How does Giggs himself feel? Well, let's check out a few quotes, shall we?
'I am proud of my black roots and of the black blood that runs in my veins.'
Manchester United's Welsh International winger Ryan Giggs gave a remarkably frank interview in the French weekly L'Eqipe Magazine, when he publicly acknowledged his black heritage.
'Most people do not know that my origins are African-Welsh, in fact only the people who are close to me and who count for me know my whole story.'
'Looking at me from the outside, it is not very obvious, I know but half my family is black and I feel close to their culture and their colour. I am proud of my black roots and of the black blood that runs in my veins. I do not wish to hide my origins, nor do I seek to make it a subject of conversation. I am what I am.'
Source:
http://www.intermix.org.uk/word_up/word_up_06_ryan.asp
<H2>Giggs suffered racist abuse</H2>
RYAN Giggs has told how he failed to stand up to the racists who made his school life hell - but believes the scourge can be wiped out of football within ten years.
The Manchester United star was taunted while he was a pupil at Moorside High School in Salford because his father, Danny Wilson, is black and his grandfather comes from Sierra Leone.
However instead of alerting people about what he was put through while he was there between 1985 and 1990, he endured the torment in silence.
"I wouldn't wish it on anyone," said Giggs in an interview with Big Issue magazine. "At my school there weren't that many pupils with different backgrounds.
"We didn't have many Chinese, Indian or black kids, so I mean it wasn't as if you could go and maybe talk to other youngsters who might be your mates.
"I was a quiet, shy person but what I should have done is tell the teachers and my parents. If I could go back in time, I would have done things differently."
Less than two years after leaving Moorside, Giggs made his United debut as a 17-year-old prodigy and is now just eight short of Sir Bobby Charlton's appearance record.
Abuse
He has never been the victim of racist abuse during his career but remembers vividly what black players went through.
Now, though, the 34-year-old believes progress is being made because of the number of foreigners in the Premier League has opened fans' eyes to different cultures.
"Players like Viv Anderson, who was the first black player to play for England, and Paul Ince, who became the first black man to captain England, are role models," he added. "So too is John Barnes.
"I can recall where he had bananas thrown at him when playing for Liverpool against Everton. These are all players and individuals who have made the Premier League, made English football what it is today.
"But the fans have also benefited because the Premier League is just so cosmopolitan.
"Every country, every religion, every background is more or less in the Premier League. You see all these different players, so people get to accept others for what they are."
Sadly, there are still areas of the world where racism rears its ugly head. Several England stars were abused in Spain four years ago and Manchester City's Nedum Onuoha was subjected to abuse when the Under-21s played Serbia last year.
However, Giggs - who is an ambassador for the Show Racism The Red Card movement - believes it can be eradicated.
"Hopefully, the anti-racist message is getting through and these countries and cultures that aren't used to seeing different races and people from different backgrounds are getting the message," he continued.
"I hope that in ten years' time we're hardly ever talking about racism."
Source:
http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1044373_giggs_suffered_racist_abuse
As for Alves, yes, I label him ablack (and also a dirty, cheating prick, amongst other things...). Sure, he obviously possesses thatuniquely Brazilian mixed background whereby every conceivable manner ofcookhas pissed into the pot to produce the finalsickening stew, but he looks "black enough" to me. Here's a photo of the arsehole standing between Andres Iniesta and Lionel Messi:
Look at that ugly boat. There's more than enough off-the-tree African in those repulsive features...
Sorry if I'm coming across as being too aggressive, but this
is a pro-White site. Feel free to label a genetically one-quarter black fellow such as Giggs, who whines about the racism he experienced while growing up and states that heis proud of his black roots, as a three-quarter white (I'm sure the Brazilians have some sort of Afro-Portuguese term for it). I, however,count him as a black...
