TUF Season 10 - Heavyweights

[whiteathlete33]

Dixie are you sure Jones didn't win? I actually watched that fight and he was pounding Hamill and then they stopped the fight. I though it was a TKO victory for Jones. I thought he won because I turned the tv off at that point. I was too pissed.

WA33, Jon Jones was GNP'ing Hamill (Hamill blocked most of the strikes), but hit him with several illegal elbow strikes. Jones did TKO Hamill, but broke the rules in the process.



Jon Jones, despite being an afrolete, is a really good fighter, and seems to be a total class act. He is very young and has a huge wingspan. I'm worried that he'll develop into an Anderson Silva-type.



Marcus Jones, on the other hand, is finished in MMA. Kimbo and Alexander fought one of the most bizarre and boring MMA fights I've ever witnessed. Also, it was nice to watch Dana squirm as he handed Nelson his trophy. Nelson should be proof positive that "average looking white guys"Â￾ can hang with anyone. Hopefully this nation of obese DWFs saw a little piece of themselves within the self-taught "Big Country."Â￾ Rogan and Goldberg had a great time repeating the "Roy is fat"Â￾ mantra-of-the-moron"¦.which was repeated nearly every minute.



Schaub is explosive, big, and strong (though I'm not sure if he's entirely white)"¦.he should be back.



Overall, a really good night for our guys.

I would love to see a rematch in that fight between Jones and Hamill. Something happened to Matt's shoulder where he could not use his arm to properly defend himself on the ground or use his wrestling. I don't know if it happened in that take down, sometime before or when he was on the ground. Hamill is hard to understand because of his speech impediment due to being hearing impaired. Rogan asked him when it happened, but Matt didn't really seem to fully understand the question. Jones might still beat him in a rematch, but I bet it would be a much closer fight.

Joe Rogan was saying he was in a full mount and Hamill couldn't do anything.

 

[NorCal831]

jon jones does remind me of a silva but with a longer wing span and less power. he does seem like a decent guy though, and he is definitely a lot better then i thought he was.

on a side note i cant for the life of me understand why those elbows are illegal. but im not complaining, i put some money on matt hamill so those elbows were profitable for me.

 

[DixieDestroyer]

WA33, Hamill definitely won via DQ (illegal elbow strikes). ***See below. Jones is talented, but would have trouble with Machida, Dan Henderson & Bisping. I don't know how well rounded his BJJ is (his standup & wrestling are solid). Hamill has improved his stand-up (over the years), but I'm not so sure about his BJJ.

NC831, those downward strikes were banned by Nevada Athletic Commission because one of their dumb@$$es saw a martial arts display with a guy breaking ice blocks with downward elbow strikes. Those bows are no worse than sideways throw elbows.

Jones Elbows Result in DQ

Light heavyweight contender Jon Jones overwhelmed Matt Hamill with pure talent and was well on his way to a surefire stoppage before illegal elbows from the top position resulted in his stunning disqualification.

Jones slammed Hamill to the canvas early in the opening round of their co-main event and dominated from there. Hamill, fully mounted, did everything he could do to cover up from the onslaught of punches and furious elbows. Most were blocked, but every so often, a crushing elbow found its mark. Referee Steve Mazzagatti appeared close to stopping the bout, when a number of illegal downward elbow strikes sliced open Hamill's face. Mazzagatti halted the action, not only to allow Hamill time to recover but also to deduct a point from Jones. Hamill, however, was a mangled mess and indicated that his left shoulder had been injured sometime during the bout.

"I couldn't defend with one arm, but I tried,"Â￾ Hamill said, "and I can't move my other arm."Â￾

Doctors quickly tended to the wounded New Yorker, and after they examined Hamill, Mazzagatti took their advice and called off the fight. Just like that, Jones tasted defeat for the first time.

"I've heard that so many times, when you lose, you come back a better, stronger person,"Â￾ Jones said. "Regardless of the outcome, God is so good to me and life is so great, and I'm just so grateful for being healthy and everything else. Everything happens for a reason."

Aside from the brutal beating administered by Jones while he had Hamill mounted, he dominated the bout on the feet up until the takedown. He confused Hamill with awkward striking, spinning elbows and sneaky side and head kicks.

Nevada State Athletic Commission Executive Director Keith Kizer stated after the bout that instant replay was utilized by Mazzagatti to make the official ruling. It marked the first time instant replay was administered in the state for a mixed martial arts bout.

 

[Guest]

Really good weekend for us in the combat sports. It was truly a showcase for our all-around skill.

Schilt won his fourth K-1 Grand Prix(kickboxing), Huck won(boxing) and we almost swept the TUF card (MMA).

Add to that Danny Green KOing RJJ, British fighter Kevin Mitchell humiliating Breidis Prescott, Joey Abell KOing Butler (although ruled a NC), and Sergio Martinez exposing the highly hyped Paul Williams while losing a highly contested controversial decision which many felt that he won.

I was also happy to see both Alistar "overdose" Overreem and Remy Bojasky get KO'd in K-1. This is truly one of the best weeks in recent memory. It's a shame Dennis Hallman got KO'd by his black opponent in the closing seconds after controlling the fight for 3 rounds. Or else it would have been a clean sweep

 

[Deadlift]

Dixie,

Since you watch more MMA than I do, do you know how often a White fighter tries to destroy an affletes face with elbow strikes? I think it's rare. Yeah, Fedor is a beast of a fighter but I can't really think of anyone else.

It seems like White fighters' are "confident" in their fists in the ground and pound. If you're winning the fight and in command, elbow strikes just wreak of desperation to me. I think I remember reading a CF post a few years ago where another afflete was trying to destroy a White man's face with elbow strikes. In my view, there's something "deeper" going on here.

 

[DixieDestroyer]

Alotta White fighters use elbows, but they're primarily utilized in the clinch. Kenny Florian has used some solid elbows to cut fighters & win the TKO (vs. Leben & Alex Karalexis). Alotta fighters use them in G&P as well...GSP (vs. Matt Hughes), Tito Ortize (vs. Griffin (1)), etc.

I like elbows (having trained MTKB), but only in close distance...ala in the clinch & G&P.

 

[whiteathlete33]

I am happy these affletes keep going down.

 

[Bear Backer]

Alotta White fighters use elbows, but they're primarily utilized in the clinch. Kenny Florian has used some solid elbows to cut fighters & win the TKO (vs. Leben & Alex Karalexis). Alotta fighters use them in G&P as well...GSP (vs. Matt Hughes), Tito Ortize (vs. Griffin (1)), etc.

I like elbows (having trained MTKB), but only in close distance...ala in the clinch & G&P.

I think it was you Dixie who said you wished elbows like that were legal in UFC and that they are not much different than an elbow to the side of the head. I totally agree, but in Reality, I would think a side elbow to the temple might have the potential to be more deadly to an opponent. I never understood why Pride FC would allow knees to the head of a downed opponent, soccer kicks and stomps but not elbows. It seemed totally ridiculous, but I guess it is more of a cosmetic issue. UFC and former Pride seem to have tried to do a lot to distance themselves from aspects of things that could cause it be associated with a bloodsport like JCVD movies. It is also amazing to me how affletes never seem to be able to control themselves and follow the rules.

 

[guest301]

Few MMA guys use elbows better to cut fighters and end fights than Kenny "ken-flo" Florian which I expect Clay Guida to experience this week in UFC 107.

 

[DixieDestroyer]

PEDcus "Big Baby" YOnes has retired from MMA following his KO loss on the Finale. I think he figured his crappy standup & glass-chin wouldn't cut it in the big leagues of MMA...

PEDcus YOnes Retires After Getting KTFO'd on UFC TUF Finale

Edited by: DixieDestroyer

 

[whiteathlete33]

That's good news Dixie. I couldn't stand the whining afflete. Someone on here mentioned they like the guy. What's there to like?

 

[DixieDestroyer]

That's good news Dixie.  I couldn't stand the whining afflete.  Someone on here mentioned they like the guy.  What's there to like?

Someone said he seemed like a "good guy". Just because he's not pulling the TNB criminal activity, doesn't make him a "good guy" IMO. He's dumber than a sack of gravel & pouted (like my 4 year old son) several times on the show. I don't "hate" the can, but I've no use for him either...so good riddens.

 

[whiteathlete33]

I watched a trailer on tv of an episode where Jones got in some white guys face right before a fight. He was very angry and I am pretty sure he lost that fight if he's retiring.

 

[DixieDestroyer]

Was that Matt Mitrione?Matt had beaten PEDcus' pal Scott Junk & "caused" a detached retina for Junk (as a normal risk of MMA). YOnes took it personal & got in Matt's face & threatened him....only to get his tomato can @$$ KTFO'd by Matt at TUF 10 Finale!

 

[Bear Backer]

Good Riddance. Despite how they tried to paint him, it was obvious he never had any cardio or heart for that matter. He wanted to call it quits after his TKO loss to Schaub in the semi-finals, but was drawn back for one more fight where he was in his mind, going to teach a lesson to Mitrione. It seems like it was him who ended up learning the lesson though. That lesson, just cuz pro caste college and pro football said you were one of the WGA's, and you look like a big scary black dude to the DWF's, don't make it so. Edited by: Bear Backer

 

[DixieDestroyer]

Looks like Matt Mitrione will square off against "Bimbo Lice" at UFC 113 in Montreal (probably in May). With Matt's size, heavy hands & jaw, I like his chances of KO'ing Lice. The card headliner would be the rematch between Lyoto Machida & Shogun Rua.

Bimbo Lice vs. Mitrione on UFC 113

Edited by: DixieDestroyer