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Duh really ???????????????????????????Sean said:
I choose those fights to illustrate Listons toughness.
And you dont really think Ingo could have beaten Liston ?
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I choose those fights to illustrate Listons toughness.
And you dont really think Ingo could have beaten Liston ?
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Listons jab ALONE would kill Ingo ListonWhipped the man who Ko'd Ingo twice.Gary said:
TheMartin fight was a way past his prime Liston and Martin had to retire after that fight because of a detached retina.
Liston DESTROYED Marshall in the rematch.
Liston DESTROYS Ingo
godking said:
Much the way he destroyed Ali in the second fight? Liston was no superman. Just because he was ugly, doesnt mean he was great. If he got sent to the mat staggering aroundlike that from a shot from Ali, any one with a heavy punch would have that much of a chance at beating him.
Liston has been dead for years-lucky bum didn't have to fight any Russian! Liston was 6'1 215lbs same as Bryd-Vitali would toy with thelittle guy!!Vitali could kill Sonny with just his jab{with 250lbs of muscle behind it}. There are men walking the streets in Moscow delivering mail who would beat Liston to a pulp.
You rowdy fight guys have hijacked this thread! Makes for good reading though.
Apologies for the error on Chuvalo. BIG mistake. Here's an anecdote about the Canadian fighter.
George Chuvalo & Muhamed Ali: Marathon Bout
In 1966, Canadian boxer George Chuvalo fought Muhammad Ali in what became a marathon 15-round bout. Though Ali was awarded the victory, Chuvalo later claimed that he had really won the fight. How so? "Guess who went to the hospital after the fight with bruised kidneys," he remarked. "And guess who went dancing with his wife!"
Note on the disqualification of Johansson in the Olympics, same thing only worse happened to Holmes against Bobick as mentioned above.
Does that make Holmes a coward, or low class?
Apologies for the error on Chuvalo. BIG mistake. Here's an anecdote about the Canadian fighter.
George Chuvalo & Muhamed Ali: Marathon Bout
In 1966, Canadian boxer George Chuvalo fought Muhammad Ali in what became a marathon 15-round bout. Though Ali was awarded the victory, Chuvalo later claimed that he had really won the fight. How so? "Guess who went to the hospital after the fight with bruised kidneys," he remarked. "And guess who went dancing with his wife!"
Note on the disqualification of Johansson in the Olympics, same thing only worse happened to Holmes against Bobick as mentioned above.
Does that make Holmes a coward, or low class?
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Fine i will break down why Ingo could not beat ListonSean said:
The Ali fights have no bearing Ali was about ten times faster and slicker then Ingo Liston Could'nt catch Ali he would Catch Ingo .
The second Ali fight was an obvious fix.
Liston could have easily handled Ingo's power Cleveland Williams was twice the pucher Ingo was Liston went toe to toe and Ko'd him twice.
If Floyd could KO Ingo twice what chance does Ingo stand against Floyds destroyer ?.
Liston at his best is a top 10 all time HW Ingo barely cracks the top 30.
These boxing threads are always being hijacked.They start out innocently enough with the main subject being Tommy Morrison then it turns into a pissing match about completely different fighters,throw in some name calling and personal jabs,and the original thread has been forgotten.I suggest another thread be started where it could like a free-for-all.Hit upon any subject about boxing,positive or negative and let the brawling begin and let the natural progression or digression take it's course.You could call the thread The Boxing Royal Rumble or maybe the Gary and Sean vs Godking thread or whatever.
Look I'am just as disgusted as you are-we were having a good discussion on Morrison until this shoeshine boy came in-he's a trouble maker who should be banned.He's not here to be productive-the clown don't have a job and not much of a life.Forget the loserand lets get back to Morrison.
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morrison also had a big loss to ray mercer. he was a good fighter but he lacked a lot of discipline and that was his downfall. he got aids because he was fouling around on his wife. He rarely trained as hard as he could have. He had alot of raw talent, but became a bit of a disappointment.
Another fighter who is just like morrison is jeremy williams. i thought he had alot of talent until he got KO by sam peter. a big reason was because he stopped training. this was the seconded time he stoped training and got beat. Beforethat he got ko by brain neilson. Williams had beaten atthla leven in a great figth and looked like hewas going to go far.
Another fighter who is just like morrison is jeremy williams. i thought he had alot of talent until he got KO by sam peter. a big reason was because he stopped training. this was the seconded time he stoped training and got beat. Beforethat he got ko by brain neilson. Williams had beaten atthla leven in a great figth and looked like hewas going to go far.
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I have a better job then you do and i would wager a better life.Now go back to emptying the thrashcan.Gary said:
Morrison was a fighter who got too much too soon and stopped doing what he needed to do to keep progressing in his career.As you say Kevin,he lacked the discipline and didn't want to listen to the good advice his trainers,Tommy Virgets and John Brown,would give him.The Ray Mercer fight that you mentioned was a rough loss if you remember how it ended,but at the same time what some people tend to forget was that for three rounds Tommy was laying a beating on Mercer.A double jab,right to the body,right uppercut,left hook combination that Morrison connected with in the first round would have dropped most men and animal,but not Mercer,who for a long while had the best chin in boxing.But as was often the case with Tommy,he put out so much so early he ended up running out of gas and Ray caught him in the 5th round.If Tommy would have just stepped back and realized that Mercer was not going down he could have operated behind his jab the rest of the way,caught his secound wind and coasted to victory instead of following Mercer around with his hands down,which is why he started getting tagged.Mercer was a plodder and easy to hit and Tommy could have taken his time.
To briefly hijack the thread again, in regard to what Speedster wrote above, I think you guys have cleaned godking's clock again and again in the boxing threads, and elsewhere. However, I don't like seeing our supporters upset by his repeated presence and agitation. This site is for us, not someone who just wants to agitate again and again. Our board is open to opponents if they argue intelligently, but godking's arguments are no longer productive, if they ever were, just endless rehashes of the same few statements. That and the flaming and name calling (which has gone both ways) has made for a lot of posts that are not productive.
I believe in free speech, but as Imqu has pointed out there is no free speech on discussion boards, simply guidelines as to what is appropriate and what isn't, just as newspapers and every other medium decides what is fair or unfair to allow. I think we get godking's point and have since his first post, which is little different from the perspective of the mainstream media, and which is found on lots of other discussion boards out there. He's had plenty of opportunities to state what he wants without being edited or hampered in any way, and now the time has come for an end to his posts on Caste Football.
I believe in free speech, but as Imqu has pointed out there is no free speech on discussion boards, simply guidelines as to what is appropriate and what isn't, just as newspapers and every other medium decides what is fair or unfair to allow. I think we get godking's point and have since his first post, which is little different from the perspective of the mainstream media, and which is found on lots of other discussion boards out there. He's had plenty of opportunities to state what he wants without being edited or hampered in any way, and now the time has come for an end to his posts on Caste Football.
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Thats why you are the main man Donwas.Good job.Now I
won't have to take aspirin to deal with his typical
brainwashed mentality everytime he posts.It's one thing
to disagree,but another to do it 100% of the time and
bash all white athetes.Thanks again.
won't have to take aspirin to deal with his typical
brainwashed mentality everytime he posts.It's one thing
to disagree,but another to do it 100% of the time and
bash all white athetes.Thanks again.
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Thank you so much Mr. Wassall. Reading GK's post was beginning to feellike getting poked in the eye with a sharp stick. On a side note about Randall "Tex" Cobb. The boxing analyst, Howard Cossell, announced that he would quit covering the sport after watching Holmes beat Cobb in a 15 round heavyweight title fight. When Cobb wastold of Cossells statement he replied "That is my greatest contribution to mankind until I discover a cure for cancer." A few years later Cobb was scheduled for a heavyweight kickboxing title fight against a negro named Anthony "the amp" Elmore. Prior to the fight Cobb was a guest on the David Letterman show and when asked "what is the guy your fighting like?" Cobb replied " well he is your typical heavyweight champion, Big, black, dumb and he's got abig mouth."Randall "Tex" Cobb was one of my favorite fighters of all time.
That's a funny comment by Cobb.I remember reading an article on Cobb some years ago where he was talking about his early days before he started making a name for himself in boxing.One of the things he said in this write-up was how he was living for a while in tough,scumy neighbourhood and to keep anyone from trying to mug him,he sent out a message loud and clear by standing on the street corner of where he lived and practiced his martial arts.Just throwing punches and kicks in the air.By his looks alone I think would deter most would-be muggers.
kevin
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didn't tex cobb become an actor. i know max bear son was on the beverly hillibilies
dkr77
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Yes, Cobb has acted in many films. He was the maniac biker in raising arizona.
Tommy Morrison is fighting for the first time since '96 on Thursday night in Chester, WV against John Castle. I'd like to go as Chester is only about a 90 minute drive from where I live, but I have work to do all day on Thurs. Morrison was the last heavyweight I followed until the recent white resurgence.
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I pray he wins swiftly, well maybe a koby would end this comeback before he really gets hurt. This comeback can only lead to disaster if he is matched with any tough opponent.