Tim Tebow

[Fightingtowin]

He's a victim of stereotyping. He's the wrong color (white) to be accepted as a great athlete playing quarterback. Some of the same people trashing Tebow are the same people who would have little problem anointing Vince Young as an all-time great college QB.


Tebow is better than Young. Tebow isn't as explosive a runner as Young was, but Tebow is light years superior as a passer.


full article: [url]http://www.kansascity.com/sports/columnists/jason_whitlock/s tory/972244.html[/url]

Sounds like Whitlock might be reading the site.

He writes so many articles on race nobody is going to agree with
everything he says, but I think he's easily one of the most insightful
and fairest opinion writers out there.



Don't know, but he may have been the only national columnist to
forcefully argue AGAINST Turner Gill getting hired at Alabama or any
BCS conference position for that matter. Nevertheless, I guarantee
there were two or three points in his article that most people here
would disagree with, but that is bound to happen when he makes so many
different points in one article.--especially on a controversial subject like the impact race has on getting hired.
Edited by: Fightingtowin

 

[Mike]

Whitlock is a good writer. He thinks on his own. He's often been one of the toughest critics of people like Michael Vick, and rightfully so.

 

[WXYZ]

Tim Tebow died for our sins

 

[Don Wassall]

Sounds like Whitlock might be reading the site.

He writes so many articles on race nobody is going to agree with everything he says, but I think he's easily one of the most insightful and fairest opinion writers out there.

Don't know, but he may have been the only national columnist to forcefully argue AGAINST Turner Gill getting hired at Alabama or any BCS conference position for that matter. Nevertheless, I guarantee there were two or three points in his article that most people here would disagree with, but that is bound to happen when he makes so many different points in one article.--especially on a controversial subject like the impact race has on getting hired.

When I was digging up Whitlock's article on Tebow to post I was looking at some of his other recent stuff, and some of it is off the wall. Just three days ago he called Peyton Manning a "choker":


NFL Truths: Peyton's a choker


10. Now that the Colts' season has ended with another baffling playoff loss, it's time to play the blame game in Indianapolis. Peyton Manning or Tony Dungy? I'll point my finger at Peyton Manning, the best regular-season QB in NFL history.


If this is indeed the end for Tony Dungy, he accomplished exactly what the Colts hired him to do. He was resurrected from Tampa to make Indy's defense good enough to win in the postseason.


In Indy's last five playoff losses, the Colts surrendered 23, 28, 21, 20 and 24 points. The Jets bum-rushed Dungy's first Indianapolis squad 41-0 in the postseason.


Most of Dungy's Indy playoff losses played out similar to Saturday's heartbreaking, 23-17 disaster. Dungy and his defense stood along the sideline waiting for Manning and full-autonomy offensive coordinator Tom Moore to score points the way they did in the regular season.


Indy's lone second-half touchdown on Saturday came on a fluke, busted play when the Colts caught the Chargers unprepared for the snap. Reggie Wayne blew past a flat-footed San Diego corner who was staring at the sideline looking for a defensive signal.


Manning did nothing on Saturday. Well, he enhanced his reputation as the big-time QB mostly likely to choke in the clutch. His postseason numbers don't lie.


His record is 7-8. He's tossed 22 TDs and 17 INTs in January. His completion percentage falls to 56 percent (eight points lower than his career percentage). And in his eight playoff losses, the Colts average 13 points per game.


Also, let's not forget that in his 2006, four-game Super Bowl run, Manning threw three TDs and seven INTs. His Super Bowl MVP trophy was a gift from the media, probably a thank-you for the wonderful TV commercials.


I'm a Peyton Manning fan. His postseason play is indefensible.


[url]http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9033410/NFL-Truthseyto n's-a-choker,-LT-is-done-in-S.D [/url].


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Manning played very well against the Chargers. The Coltshad virtually zero running game and a defense and special teams that let Darren Sproles rack up 328 yards against them. To blame Manning and call him a choker is ridiculous. What about Joseph Addai, a total bum this season. And if you want to call any Colt a post-season choker, Marvin Harrison has been as big a choker as the league has ever seen in the post-season.


Another huge factor in the Colts loss was the punting of Mike Scifres. He was brilliant, as good as it gets.


Peyton Manning was the only thing the Colts had going in that game and was the only reason they nearly won it. To write otherwise and blame Peyton for the Colts' lossis boneheadedness at its best.Edited by: Don Wassall

 

[White Shogun]

Funny how these guys trot out stats to make a point about Peyton Manning but the 'stats never lie' argument goes out the window when you talk about guys like Vince 'All he does is win games' Young.

 

[dwid]

the peyton manning article was brought up in the Saints forum i visit. People mentioning how "its the system" that makes manning so great and hes only good because of wayne and harrison and a great line. and then they went on to say brady was only a product of bellicheck's system. since Matt Cassel is doing well, not to mention other young White qbs like Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco, it now must be some "magical" system that makes them good quarterbacks. Why aren't these systems used to make Vince Young, Tavaris Jackson and Jamarcus Russel better qbs?

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Good point dwid.

 

[Jimmy Chitwood]

the whole "it's the system" argument is ridiculous, even on its face value.

every team uses a system that its coaches feel gives the team the best chance to win with the talent on the roster. every team uses a system. some work better than others. some players fit in some systems better than others.

none of this makes a crappy player good, however. if a player doesn't have game, then he can't suddenly become a stud. only the reverse can occur. talented players can struggle in some systems, succeed brilliantly in others, or not ever even get a chance to contribute (caste system anyone?)

it's kind of like running a sprint. a slow guy can never somehow run super fast via some factor, but circumstances can make a fast guy can run slow.

 

[DixieDestroyer]

The only working "system" in the NFL is the CASTE system!

 

[Westside]

The greatest villian to whites is WHITES! WTF is Tebow stating he would play f'ing fullback to make it on a NFL roster! This happeans again, again and again. Crouch, Leonard, Hester etc....

The minute a marquee white Athelet tells the NFL that, "negative, I succeeded in major college football as a quaterback, runningback or reciever and that is the position I am applying for. Find some other affelet to play fullback or blocking tightend. If you won't allow me to play "my" position I will succeed in another career. But I will cry racism and motherf..k all of you traitors on my way out of the door!"

 

[Gi-15]

But I will cry racism and motherf..k all of you traitors on my way out of the door!"

Epic

 

[Fightingtowin]

When I was digging up Whitlock's article on Tebow to post I was looking at some of his other recent stuff, and some of it is off the wall. Just three days ago he called Peyton Manning a "choker":


NFL Truths: Peyton's a choker</font>


10. Now that the Colts' season has ended with another baffling playoff loss, it's time to play the blame game in Indianapolis. Peyton Manning or Tony Dungy? I'll point my finger at Peyton Manning, the best regular-season QB in NFL history.


If this is indeed the end for Tony Dungy, he accomplished exactly what the Colts hired him to do. He was resurrected from Tampa to make Indy's defense good enough to win in the postseason.


In Indy's last five playoff losses, the Colts surrendered 23, 28, 21, 20 and 24 points. The Jets bum-rushed Dungy's first Indianapolis squad 41-0 in the postseason.


Most of Dungy's Indy playoff losses played out similar to Saturday's heartbreaking, 23-17 disaster. Dungy and his defense stood along the sideline waiting for Manning and full-autonomy offensive coordinator Tom Moore to score points the way they did in the regular season.


Indy's lone second-half touchdown on Saturday came on a fluke, busted play when the Colts caught the Chargers unprepared for the snap. Reggie Wayne blew past a flat-footed San Diego corner who was staring at the sideline looking for a defensive signal.


Manning did nothing on Saturday. Well, he enhanced his reputation as the big-time QB mostly likely to choke in the clutch. His postseason numbers don't lie.


His record is 7-8. He's tossed 22 TDs and 17 INTs in January. His completion percentage falls to 56 percent (eight points lower than his career percentage). And in his eight playoff losses, the Colts average 13 points per game.


Also, let's not forget that in his 2006, four-game Super Bowl run, Manning threw three TDs and seven INTs. His Super Bowl MVP trophy was a gift from the media, probably a thank-you for the wonderful TV commercials.


I'm a Peyton Manning fan. His postseason play is indefensible.


[url]http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9033410/NFL-Truthseyto n's-a-choker,-LT-is-done-in-S.D [/url].


* * * * * * * * * * * * *


Manning played very well against the Chargers. The Coltshad virtually zero running game and a defense and special teams that let Darren Sproles rack up 328 yards against them. To blame Manning and call him a choker is ridiculous. What about Joseph Addai, a total bum this season. And if you want to call any Colt a post-season choker, Marvin Harrison has been as big a choker as the league has ever seen in the post-season.


Another huge factor in the Colts loss was the punting of Mike Scifres. He was brilliant, as good as it gets.


Peyton Manning was the only thing the Colts had going in that game and was the only reason they nearly won it. To write otherwise and blame Peyton for the Colts' lossis boneheadedness at its best.[/QUOTE]
Whitlock is clearly trying to deflect blame off of Dungy and place
it on Manning. In reality I think it is about half and half.



He's probably defending Dungy because:

1) He's black

2) Dungy is such a good person (as far as we know)

3) Whitlock is partially right



It's ridiculous to not give a major part of the blame to Dungy. He's
out of line confidently concluding that Manning is the primary reason
for the Colts post-season under achievements. Dungy is the friggen head
coach; he has responsibilities over the offense and defense. There is
a reason Dungy stands at the end of the field to view the opponents defense and relay that back to the O-coordinator. However, as a casual
viewer of Manning's career I always thought he played worse in big
games. He's no Tom Brady, Joe Montanna or even Marino (he carried
those teams).



It may be coincidence, but Manning never beat his high school rival or
college rival (Florida). But he's not bad enough in the big games (he had a hell of a
game to beat the Patriots in the championship game and decent Super
Bowl) to conclude the failures are Manning's fault. Dungy deserved credit for turning around the Bucs but it was Gruden who could win the big game--in his first year with the same team! Whitlock's race got the best of him here. He does seem though to allow race to cloud his judgment less than most journalists.

 

[dwid]

the thing about him being marked because he is a White christian is true. Today on espn they had some guys on there discussing Tebow and his faith. Saying overt displays of faith were innapropriate. They praise a guy like Tony Dungy for his faith and say he such a high character guy but a White guy who is a proud christian is inapropriate?

 

[Guest]

"The minute a marquee white Athelet tells the NFL that, "negative, I succeeded in major college football as a quaterback, runningback or reciever and that is the position I am applying for. Find some other affelet to play fullback or blocking tightend. If you won't allow me to play "my" position I will succeed in another career. But I will cry racism and motherf..k all of you traitors on my way out of the door!"

[/QUOTE]

Exactly!

Edited by: Latspread

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Great post dwid, and I agree. The double standard rears its head again. What about the "Minister of Defense"? Its hard to get more overt than Reggie White. I don't recall much criticism of him, except for once, but that was after a long NFL career, not while he was still a college junior.

 

[Fightingtowin]

the thing about him being marked because he is a White christian is true. Today on espn they had some guys on there discussing Tebow and his faith. Saying overt displays of faith were innapropriate. They praise a guy like Tony Dungy for his faith and say he such a high character guy but a White guy who is a proud christian is inapropriate?

Same thing with Kitna in Detroit. His faith was mocked relentlessly. I wonder why there is a double standard.

 

[Jimmy Chitwood]

the latest Jason Whitlock article is about race and sport, using Tim Tebow to make a point.

of course, his biggest point is that the main reason white athletes are showing more success of late is because of all the black athletes are in jail.

also, the folks over at American Renaissance linked the article, and several of the comments mentioned Caste Football. hopefully the word will keep spreading!

There was no time to say this Thursday night when Tim Tebow and the Florida Gators were winning another national championship, but a significant thought ran through my mind:

We're witnessing a resurgence of great white athletes in football and basketball.

{snip}

Well, now here comes Tim Tebow, and [he] appears to be a novelty, a white athlete with limitless athleticism.

I think he's a symbol of what has already transpired and what we'll soon recognize. The boys from the suburbs are spending just as much time as the boyz from the 'hood working on their bodies and skills.

{snip}

Watching Tebow run, throw awkwardly and display his emotions for all to see did not conjure images of Peyton Manning. Tebow looked more like Michael Vick.

Mentioning Vick raises my last theory on why the real or perceived gap between black and white athletes might be closing.

Too many young black men are rotting in jail.

America's out-of-control incarceration rate has devastated the black community in many ways. Athletics has not been immune.

When you hear the stat rattled off about more young black men being in jail than in college that also means that there are a lot of talented athletes throwing away college scholarships by running afoul of the law.

{snip}

 

[Animalmuther0]

Not a bad article inre Tebow here by Tim Layton of SI.

Seems Tebow is giving the NFL coaches the squirms on how to best utilize him. We may get to see more single-wing type football in the future based on Tebows style and the fact that colleges are producing more and more quarterbacks that operate like him.

 

[Don Wassall]

the latest Jason Whitlock article is about race and sport, using Tim Tebow to make a point.

of course, his biggest point is that the main reason white athletes are showing more success of late is because of all the black athletes are in jail.

also, the folks over at American Renaissance linked the article, and several of the comments mentioned Caste Football. hopefully the word will keep spreading!

All in all a good article, one no White writer in the corporate media would have the integrity to write. Any article that points out some of the glaringly obvious realities about White athleticism is a breath of fresh air.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

I agree Don. Some pretty good comments on the Amren site as well.

 

[Don Wassall]

Some pretty good comments on the Amren site as well.

Yes, some very good comments, far better than they would have been had AmRen posted the same article pre-Caste Football.

 

[GeneralLee]

I wonder how Tim Tebow would fit with the Dallas Cowboys that could be an interesting fit for me. I kind of wished Terell Owens would not have been let go it would have been really interesting how Tebow would deal with someone like Owens.
Another reason with a stiff competition with Tony Romo which I believe he would get Romo's job and maybe Romo's girl as well. Could you see Tim Tebow hooking up with Jessica Simson?

 

[Don Wassall]

NFL.com's Gil Brandt is usually reliably caste, but in an unexpected surprise he has Tebow as his top senior college quarterback for the upcoming season and says he should be a top ten pick in the '10 draft. But then again he has "Juice" Williams as the eighth best QB; ol' Gil must have been on some kind of juice himself when he wrote that.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d810bda9e&amp;template=without-video-with-comments&amp;confirm=true

 

[white lightning]

I have nothing but admiration and respect for Tim Tebow. He lives his life like men used to 50+ years ago when this country still had morals and values. What an inspiration this kid is to everyone. Not to mention his incredible talent. I wouldn't mind seeing the Gators win it all again. Tebow Mania running wild! Here is a quick little article. The guy could have any women he wants and he is a virgin. You have to give him some respect for his class on and off the field.


http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-sec-tebow&prov=ap&type=lgnsEdited by: white lightning

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Thanks for posting the article link, white lightning! Tim is a role model if there is one in college football.