THROWERS ALWAYS WIN

[Maple Leaf]

A scrambler will never make it big in the NFL. That is one of the reasons why blacks cannot play QB: they just cannot resist the temptation to run. The best QBs of all time were and always will be throwers (Montana, Brady, Payton et al).
It's simple really. And this is why:

1) The ball moves faster than anyone can ever run.

2) By running around sooner or later someone is goingto crush the QB and injure him and then he is of no use to his team.

3) Running around works sometimes but most of the time it gives the defence the advantage because the ball is in front of them instead of up in the air or behind them.

4) If the QB runs, what is the RB supposed to do? RBs are built and trained to take the pounding, QBs are not.

5) If the QB runs, what are the receivers supposed to do? A running QB is a simple offense. But short and long range receivers complimented with RBs is much tougher to stop.

6) No one can throw as accurately running around as they can while standing still. Accuracy is worth more than range. Sharp shooters always win because they do not get picked off as much.

Sorry there, uh Tarvington.

 

[C Darwin]

Trent Edwards was stellar today.

 

[jaxvid]

Well whattaya know, Ferotte in, Vikings win big, Collins in, Titans win big. I wonder what what the difference was with those two teams this week?

 

[white is right]

Well we know the black qb's had magnificent games holding those clip boards. They stepped up big time.....

Edited by: white is right

 

[Jimmy Chitwood]

Well whattaya know, Ferotte in, Vikings win big, Collins in, Titans win big. I wonder what what the difference was with those two teams this week?

 

[Kaptain]

Nothing wrong with scramblers. Plenty of white qbs have been and are scramblers. In fact, they tend to be much better at it than black so-called scramblers (really just runners). The idea of scrambling is to buy extra time in order to pass the ball. The part black qbs often forget is the part about trying to actually pass the ball - just like a basketball game. I would love to see more white scrambling qbs. Fran Tarkenton, Doug Flutie, Rich Gannon, and Steve Young were some of the most exciting football players to watch IMO and they were all pretty successful to boot. It seems like the NFL loves the idea of a mobile qb as long as they are black, and at the same time they dispise the idea when the QB is white.

 

[Melancholia]

A scrambler will never make it big in the NFL.

Steve Young? John Elway?

 

[Tom Iron]

Gentlemen,

The point that is missed here I think is the difference between the scrambling of the White and black QBs. It's my opinion that black QBs scramble because they're surprised by the rush and once they take off, the play is essentially dead. They're going to run for whatever they get and that's the end of the story. On the other hand, many/most of the time, the White QB sees/feels the rush coming and when he takes off, there is still a possibliity he may throw the ball because he's usually just buying time until he can find someone open. Failing that, he runs for whatever he can get. That's the main difference between the two I think.

Tom Iron...

 

[white is right]

Yes two of the best scramblers of the 70's passed first and ran second(Tarkenton and Staubach). Young had some designed running plays in Tampa and San Francisco (when he first started and had better legs). Essentially Young and Elway only ran when they exhausted their searches for their primary targets down field.

 

[Bear Backer]

Gentlemen,

The point that is missed here I think is the difference between the scrambling of the White and black QBs. It's my opinion that black QBs scramble because they're surprised by the rush and once they take off, the play is essentially dead. They're going to run for whatever they get and that's the end of the story. On the other hand, many/most of the time, the White QB sees/feels the rush coming and when he takes off, there is still a possibliity he may throw the ball because he's usually just buying time until he can find someone open. Failing that, he runs for whatever he can get. That's the main difference between the two I think.

Tom Iron...

That is absolutely the truth. Those white scrambling QB's were also very accurate on the move, something which the black scramblers lack. It became part of their arsenal which allowed them to spread the defense and buy time to take advantage of the mistakes in coverage. None of the black Scramblers have this philosphy. The only one to even come close was Steve McNair, who was a fairly accurate on the move and was forced to limit his scrambling to necessity after beating up his body trying to be a RB in his early career. Donovan McNabb lacks the mechanics and accuracy to be effective as a passer on the move and still hasn't totally learned the difference between scrambling as a means to improve your threat as a passer, than merely being a guy who tucks it and runs under pressure.

The black scramblers are stuck in the perpetual stage that many young QB's go through when they first come into the NFL. They see the rush and tuck it on instincts hoping to make something positive happen. While most quality QB's mature through this stage, the black scramblers don't ever seem to with any regularity. When defenses figure them out, their scrambling becomes a liability instead of a bonus. Edited by: Bear Backer

 

[Maple Leaf]

You men have clarified the difference between a scrambler and a "rushing quarterback". Very well done. But the essence of what I was stating above is that the accurate thrower will win most of the time against a roving quarterback.

 

[Tom Iron]

It'll be interesting to see how the black QBs make out this week. I think that if the Eagles lose this week, we'll start hearing people yell to sit McNaab down. Of course, if they yell for Gerrard to be sat down, that won't do us here much good. It'll also be interesting to see what happen with the Raiders. It's going to be an interesting weekend for our black bretheran.

Tom Iron...

 

[Don Wassall]

The Caste-ites have re-ignited their love affair with Jason Campbell. Their relief is audible that McNabb isn't the only decent black QB in the league this year. Garrard's a "game manager" as long as no passes longer than 10 yards are called for. But with the Eagles in last place, Tom Iron is right, the heat will be back on McNabb againif Philly keeps losing.

 

[highschoolcoach]

Maybe it should be Thinkers Always Win:

Picking an NFL QB is a crapshoot
By Scott Bordow
EAST VALLEY TRIBUNE (MESA, ARIZ.)
10/12/2008

Given the time and money NFL teams spend on scouting, what we'll see this Sunday seems incomprehensible.

Two undrafted free agents â€â€￾ Kurt Warner and Tony Romo â€â€￾ will square off at University of Phoenix Stadium.

How does that happen?

There isn't a single position in professional sports more scrutinized than an NFL quarterback. Teams do everything to evaluate a prospect short of giving him the Spock mind meld.

And yet, every year can't-miss prospects miss while guys bagging groceries (Warner) and playing at Eastern Illinois (Romo) make it big.

Don't worry if you can't figure it out. Neither can most NFL clubs.

"If you can find somebody to correctly evaluate those guys, you should pay them a lot of money," Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt said.

Of the 32 quarterbacks who will start on Sunday, only 16 were first-or-second-round draft picks. Twelve were taken in the third through seventh rounds, and four were undrafted free agents (Carolina's Jake Delhomme and Detroit's Jon Kitna are the other two).

Amazingly, there are twice as many undrafted free agents starting than there are second-round picks.

"I really think it's indicative of the unscientific approach to scouting," Cardinals general manager Rod Graves said. "There is a little bit of a crapshoot in all these draft picks."

Guessing wrong is just one part of the equation. NFL teams constantly flub on quarterbacks for two specific reasons:

1. They're desperate.

It's extremely difficult to win a Super Bowl without an elite quarterback â€â€￾ Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson notwithstanding â€â€￾ so teams gamble on players they know have faults.

The result: Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, Joey Harrington, Heath Shuler, David Klingler, Andre Ware, etc. etc. etc.

"There's a general feeling that if there's a top quarterback in college, regardless of how they fit, you have to take him high," Graves said.

2. Teams are focused on the wrong body part.

Scouts, coaches and GMs obsess over a quarterback's physical attributes. How strong is his arm? How fast does he run the 40? Can he avoid a pass rush?

No question, that's important. But too often teams define a player by those abilities. What they should be asking is whether he has a million-dollar arm and a 10 cent brain.

"It's easy to evaluate physical skills because you get to watch it with your own eyes," Romo said. "What you don't get to see sometimes, and I tell people all the time, watch the quarterback when the pressure gets in there. See what happens when something doesn't go right. ...

"I think guys who can play quickly and have the ability to think fast can make the adjustment. Guys who work slow, or their brains don't work at a faster tempo, they're going to have a tough time."

New Orleans' Drew Brees is a perfect example of the NFL's flawed thinking. Coming out of Purdue in 2001, the 6-foot, 209-pound Brees lasted until the 32nd overall pick because scouts thought he was undersized and didn't have a great arm.

If teams could do it all over again, Brees likely would be the second pick overall, behind San Diego's LaDainian Tomlinson.

"You look around this league and everybody has physical skills, at least to some degree," Warner said. "But the quarterback position is more about intangibles than it is the tangible. ...

"That's why it's so hard. There's no way to test the mental capacity. It's not just about Xs and Os and knowing your stuff on paper. It's the ability to react quickly and correctly. Not everyone can do it."

Teams know that. And yet they continue to be seduced by the big arm and quick feet, even if there's no one home upstairs.

"There isn't an answer that I know of because if we knew it, we'd be pickin' all the right ones every year," Cowboys coach Wade Phillips said.

That's folksy for "your guess is as good as ours."

Which is why we get Warner against Romo on Sunday.

While Matt Leinart, Vince Young and David Carr stand and watch.

 

[Jimmy Chitwood]

here's an interesting article that touches on many of the things we talk about. accurate, smart quarterbacks tend to be the best quarterbacks. even if they don't have "rocket arms."

a key excerpt:

That's because arm strength may be the most overrated quality in NFL quarterbacks.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Highschoolcoach:
All of those successfull guys that were mentioned as being picked low, or not drafted at all, are all quick minded THROWERS. For every one time a quarterback makes a play by running around there are ten plays made by throwing.