The return of Eric Crouch

[white lightning]

Eric Crouch should have been Michael Vick before him but
a better player. Eric was one of only three ncaa div. IA
college football players to pass for over 4000 yards and
rush for over 3000 yards as a quarterback.He started 38
out of 42 games and was a incredible leader.Crouch
passed for 4481 yards and rushed for an astounding
3434 yards!He holds the all time ncaa qb career touchdown
record with 59!Let's see what awards he won.He won the
Heisman,Walter Camp Player of the year award,and the
Davey O'Brien Qb Award in 2001.As most of you know,he
was drafted by the Rams but they wouldn't let him play
quarterback.They moved him to wide receiver.He tried
to do it but his heart wasn't in it.Eric quit the team
and tried out for the Packers a year later.They wanted
him to play defense and again he went into a depression.
He quit the nfl a 2nd time.Today the Kansas City Chiefs
signed him to play defensive back/safety.He will go to
play in NFL Europe to try to prove himself on defense.
Eric knows this is his last chance.I wish him all the
best.It's really sad that he wasn't allowed to pursue
his dream like Vick is.Vick passes for 100-150 yards a
game.That's horrible.No one can tell me that Crouch
couldn't at least equal those numbers.His arm strength
may not be incredible,but it is good enough.He reads
defenses very well and would have been better than Doug
Flutie.It's really sad he never got to play qb in the
nfl but thats how it goes.Good luck to him on defense.

 

[cxt7]

I think if he had to be moved from his natural position it should be to cb isn't his size about 6-1 200 lbs.

 

[Don Wassall]

He has to rank right up there with any of the potentially great white football players who have been screwed by the Caste system. It's sickening to compare the treatment he received to that given to Vick. The only difference between the two is that Vick was supposed to have a stronger arm. Big deal. What good is a "cannon arm" if you're rarely accurate and can't read defenses?

You're right White Lightning, Crouch had it all. His "problem" was that, like Eminem in rap, he would have been a better "black quarterback" than any of them. It's one thing to have a white kid "rapping" and encouraging other white kids to act black, but to have a white athlete beat the blacks at their own game after all the hype about running black quarterbacks being the "new face" of the NFL . . . that couldn't be tolerated.

I think he quit because he was disgusted by the Caste system, but didn't want to speak out. He let his actions do his talking for him. What's disgusting is that virtually no fans anywhere stuck up for him. They all just instantly absorbed the media party line that Eric didn't have the arm strength to be a quarterback and that he was a worthless "quitter" to boot. Most of these same "fans" thought that Ricky Williams was an honorable "mystic" who was to be admired for quitting. Meanwhile Crouch quit out of frustration because he wasn't allowed to play the position for which he had won the Heisman Trophy, not because he wanted to smoke pot all day and contemplate his navel on the beach. It's all quite pathetic.

I will give the Rams credit for drafting him in the third round and at least trying to make him a WR, instead of the pathetic "safety" route he is now going (and at which Scott Frost failed). I don't think he would have been drafted at all if the Rams hadn't taken him.

 

[IceSpeed]

Crouch had the raw tools to play QB in the NFL just
like Vick. However, David Carr of Fresno was the top QB come
draft day. I think Crouch could be a great tailback, as that is
where he is best suited for. At tailback, he could throw a
little. Also, he would be able to use his fluid running
ability. At safety, being a fluid runner is not important and the
best safeties take short, choppy steps. He could not play running
back right now though, since he probably has been out of the game for a
few years. The Rose Bowl and Senior
Bowl performances just killed his chances at QB even though Vick was
allowed to struggle.

Frankly, I would like to see him at
cornerback, right now. We need more white corners and there should be a few
whites at cornerback in 2006. You have guys like Dustin Fox who
will probably play corner. Crouch could be a part of this.


Edited by: IceSpeed

 

[jaxvid]

Football offenses are so boring. They all run the same few plays. A non-football watching friend once told me that watching football for him was like watching porno. Yeah, everything looks good, and it's all exciting, but it's just the same couple of things over and over.

I agree somewhat. I like the college game because it looks so different from the pro game. You have real variety. Compare the offense of BYU to the offense of Navy.

Which is why I don't understand why some desperate coach that has a good defensive team but no offense does not sign a bunch of QB/runners for his backfield. Can you imagine the havoc an efective halfback option play could wreak on every down. Sure there would be some miscues but what the heck guys like Vick cough the ball up a few times every game why not give a guy like Crouch a shot at running and throwing. They used to do it all the time. Instead they take a Vick and try to play him like a QB with disasterous results.

 

[jaxvid]

Note: I don't think Fox will play corner. It just won't be done in the NFL.

 

[white lightning]

Crouch would make a great running back.He might need to
add about 10 pounds but he just has it.You can't describe
someones ability to make people miss.Eric does it as
good as anyone I have seen.He leaves people with their
shoes on the field.I saw so many people fall down
trying to tackle him because when he gave them a head/
shoulder fake,they were as good as dead.Even at wide
receiver he would be great.Crouch always loved to have
the ball in his hands and make big plays.I just don't
see him really enjoying defense that much.Either way,
the best of luck to him.

 

[IceSpeed]

Is Crouch in shape right now though? After the Packers cut him(They took Akili Smith over him!!!

),
Crouch said he was probably through with football. I just hope he
still has it. An article in SI a few years back said Crouch was a
vicious hitter in high school. Crouch is just a football player
and can play anywhere. However, he may have lost his ability to
make people miss by now.

Also, Mike Martz criticized Crouch's shape when he retired. I hope Crouch has been training all this time.

Do you guys think a natural stride can be lost?



Crouch has been screwed over by the system so many
times. When cut from the Packer's Mike Sherman said Crouch was
not a natural kick returner. This is PC code for "he was not
black". They chose a stereotypical black quarterback over
him.

Were any of those white wishbone quarterbacks from Texas in the 1970's converted into safeties?

 

[surfsider]

Jack Mildren the first great wishbone QB from Oklahoma was drafted as a DB by Baltimore.

 

[jaxvid]

Yes, alot of the running QB's end up at DB. It goes back a long ways, back to the time of two way players when the QB was always in the defensive backfield on defense. I remember Rex Kern, a white QB from OSU had a pretty good career as a DB in the NFL.

 

[IceSpeed]

I get Texas and Oklahoma schools confused once in a while I guess because they play each other a lot.

Could Crouch end up like John Lynch. Was he an option type Quarterback in college?

 

[Don Wassall]

Lynch was a quarterback his first two years at Stanford, then a safety his junior and senior years. He was also an outstanding college baseball player and could have gone that route as a pro athlete.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Eric Crouch was awesome to watch, and he should have been allowed to play the position he excelled at, just like the black primadonnas we currently see.
The caste system reared its ugly head in a very visible way to me for the first time when Eric was snubbed, or I guess just plain screwed. I saw then how the NFL is run.
I wish him the best wherever he plays, and I have no doubt that if he really wants to play, he will do exceptionally well, even if he has been out of shape, which I doubt. It is a crime that he was not given a shot at QB, really it is. Here in the Mississippi Delta, we call it reverse discrimination.

 

[Don Wassall]

Eric Crouch and Mike McMahon remind me of Luke Staley and Brock Forsey. Crouch is the quarterback equivalent of Staley, never given a chance in the NFL after winning the Heisman Trophy in 2001, the same year that Luke won the Doak Walker Award.

McMahon is like Forsey, in that both are not as heralded as Crouch and Staley but are still possessed of immense talent. Forsey has kicked around for the past two seasons, showing great ability on those few occasions when he plays, but is likely on his way out of the league because he isn't black. McMahon has languished on the Lions' bench, also showing great ability on those few occasions when he plays. But because he is not just a quarterback but a tremendous running quarterback, something only blacks are supposed to be according to one of the Big Lies that provide the foundation of the Caste System, he most likely will never get a chance to be a starter and will sooner or later fade out of the league.

 

[white lightning]

Good points Donwas.We have also talked about Cade Mcown
of the Bears being screwed over as a white athletic qb.
Another one that deserves an opportunity is the kid
from the Denver Broncos.Brad Van Pelt is as gifted a
runner at qb as you will see.He lead Colorado State to
more victories than they had seen in years.He was a
rookie last year and I'm hoping they give him a shot at
some point.Jake Plummer has his moments but Van Pelt has
star written all over him.In fact there was talk that he
might move to running back before he came to the nfl.He
is that special of a runner with size and power!Here's
hoping that Denver plays this guy.

 

[Don Wassall]

McNown, Van Pelt and others can be added to that rapidly growing category -- white quarterbacks punished because they run too well.

Speaking of which -- the Senior Bowl is on right now, the most prestigous of the postseason all-star games, and Matt Jones has already been officially screwed over -- he is on the South team -- not as a quarterback but as a wide receiver! 6-5, strong arm, intelligent, a leader and an incredibly fast and elusive runner, freakish really for his size, and he is not allowed to be a quarterback in the NFL.

 

[white lightning]

How can they do that.Matt Jones has a cannon for a arm
and fits the mold except for his skin tone.What a joke.
I can't stand what they do to these kids.Matt was a 2
sport star in college like Deion Sanders.What didn't they
do that to him.Jones is athletic,smart and would be a
star at qb.The nfl sucks.I am so tired of them screwing
over this kids.When is this going to stop?Let the
rebellion begin.We have to put a stop to this b.s. Sorry
guys,but I needed to vent!

 

[JD074]

Matt should play the position that he would be best at, but it
would be really cool if he became another Drew Bennett. It
would take awhile for him to develop at a new position, even if
he gets the opportunity to do so. And we all know how many of
those are doled out to white players at that position... not
many.

 

[Don Wassall]

I was thinking the same thing, that hopefully he'll become another Bennett if his NFL fate is to become a WR. If Jones had everything going for him that he does now -- the size and the arm, but was only average in the speed and mobility departments, there's no question that quarterback would be his position, and he'd probably be a high draft choice too. It's like the great white runners, receivers and d-backs in high school -- they have to switch to a different position if they want to continue to play football at the elite level in college. They're punished for excelling at something they're not allowed to excel at.

I have been watching some of the Senior Bowl, and supposedly some teams are considering playing Jones at quarterback, and others at tight end(!) Just eat pizzas and cheeseburgers all day long, Matt! I think it would take an NFL team with courage and imagination to play Jones at QB, and there doesn't seem to be any like that and hasn't been for a long time.

At another point, one of the announcers was talking about how they have been "having fun" with Matt all week. He said he had asked him what he thinks of being a wide receiver, and then, mimicking Jones' answer, he said with a stereotyped, dumb-sounding Southern accent, "They shore do run a lot!" Funny, I've never heard an announcer quoting a black player who spoke with a black accent.

 

[IceSpeed]

Doug Flutie may not have been the fastest running
quarterback of all time, but he was the best. He could use his
speed not only to gain running yards, but to make passes also.
That is a key element in a running quarterback. Rich Gannon would
be in a close second.

Craig Krenzel is a quarterback with a lot of talent
and good speed. He runs about a 4.7-4.6. I would expect to
see Krenzel do a lot of the things Crouch would have done.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

I hope to God they don't try to make campbell a QB. Matt Jones deserves a shot at QB. This crap is just too much. The announcers are horrible too, they just put down the defensive end from Iowa and then he makes a killer play and they don't even say anything. What a bunch of pansies and girly-men!

 

[kevin]

jones is faster then cambell. it is a 4.5 forty to a 4.7 forty. cambell is more rohan davey then mike vick.

 

[Don Wassall]

Hey, an Eric Crouch sighting! He's working for Versus, right now he's one of three talking heads for the halftime show of the UNLV-Wisconsin game.

 

[celticdb15]

Hey, an Eric Crouch sighting! He's working for Versus, right now he's one of three talking heads for the halftime show of the UNLV-Wisconsin game.

Good to hear he's moving on and adjusting to life after football. I hope to catch a couple of games he announces this year. I'm curious to see how much he knows of the caste system, he sure has lived through it.

 

[whiteathlete33]

Crouch is the most athletic quarterback in the history of football. That includes college and the NFL.