The Olmec Negros

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Im very interested in what my brothers think of this Olmec culture. Has anyone studied these?
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I have a little trouble buying this. Maybe that makes me a racist.
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Every single thing I can find about this says the were the first, or very nearly first to sail to the Americas. Some even claim that these B.C. negros "FLEW" in aircraft over here!
 
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There's all kinds of bizarre history from that era and area, but nearly all of it was destroyed by the Spaniard Catholics.
 
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Whether there were black Africans in the Americas in ancient and medieval times is disputed among historians, with most believing they were not. However, the establishment of academia is always very slow to come around when new evidence and theories are presented.

During the period of the Olmecs you had Nubian, Ethiopian, Swahili Coast and Egyptian ships (which undoubtedly had some black crew members) trading along the African, Indian and Arabian Coast and sometimes traveling to Europe. It's not a giant leap to think a ship, or many ships, got thrown off course in unfamiliar waters and the ocean current sent them to middle America, where they introduced new technology and ideas. It's certainly plausible, but most historians don't think that happened.

However, like I said, you have turf wars among academia so the truth often gets twisted and lost. Most of the people who study Olmec history take pride in the advanced civilization they created, and take pride in the advanced civilizations of the Incas, Aztecs and Mayans. For these scholars to conclude that these kingdoms got their start because of outside influence (not an indigenous development), it's just too tough to admit and insulting, even if the evidence suggests that's what happened.

Frankly, I think the evidence is compelling and deserves serious research, but the problem is you have black extremists on one side and the establishment on the other side clinging to their long held beliefs, thus a fair and balanced study based on archeological evidence gets lost.Edited by: Fightingtowin
 
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the Olmec heads always looked oriental to me.
 

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P-NutLane said:
Im very interested in what my brothers think of this Olmec culture. Has anyone studied these?
Olmec Civilization
I have a little trouble buying this. Maybe that makes me a racist.
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Every single thing I can find about this says the were the first, or very nearly first to sail to the Americas. Some even claim that these B.C. negros "FLEW" in aircraft over here!

He he, "flew" in aircraft. There's not a negro on the planet that could design an aircraft today let alone 2 thousand years ago.
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And I'm sure they also "sailed" across the Pacific to spread their wonderful technology, (mud huts and wooden spears.)

The sudden appearance of negroes would also explain the mysterious disappearence of the Mayan's who suddenly up and left the cities they had built. This is similar to the white americans who suddenly fled from the cities they built as soon as the negroes showed up.
 

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What are those on some of the heads? Look an awful lot like football helmets to me. The negro Olmecs were actually the ones who invented football, and we stole it from them. Yup. We stole football from the African Olmecs.

Get Ken Burns on this right away.
 

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What are those on some of the heads? Look an awful lot like football helmets to me. The negro Olmecs were actually the ones who invented football, and we stole it from them. Yup. We stole football from the African Olmecs.

Get Ken Burns on this right away.

Thats very funny, because these negros ARE given credit for inventing The Worlds First Ballgame! And, the helmets on the stone heads ARE the helmets they wore during this so called "first ballgame in history"
My brother in law graduated from Texas A$M, and he told me that his history Professer would glorify these negros to the point that it seemed almost worshipful!
Are any of yall in college, or remember what you learned in college, to tell me what they teach/taught?Edited by: P-NutLane
 
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P-NutLane said:
The Hock said:
What are those on some of the heads? Look an awful lot like football helmets to me. The negro Olmecs were actually the ones who invented football, and we stole it from them. Yup. We stole football from the African Olmecs.

Get Ken Burns on this right away.

Thats very funny, because these negros ARE given credit for inventing The Worlds First Ballgame! And, the helmets on the stone heads ARE the helmets they wore during this so called "first ballgame in history"
My brother in law graduated from Texas A$M, and he told me that his history Professer would glorify these negros to the point that it seemed almost worshipful!
Are any of yall in college, or remember what you learned in college, to tell me what they teach/taught?
Your professor said it was the Negro Olmecs who invented the game? What was he a professor of? Among the establishment, asserting that those heads were of Negros is pretty controversial, especially if he's a professor of ancient and medieval Americas. I even asked a professor of pre-colonial African history and he kind of got uncomfortable and laughed it off as a theory with little evidence.Edited by: Fightingtowin
 

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He was my brother in laws professer. I have no college. My Brother-in-Law went to Texas A&M, and he is the most "educated" person I know. He is in his late 30s, and has been in some sort of school since he graduated from A&M. My sister also went there at the same time, but he graduated WAY higher in the class of like 10,000, so I called him to ask him what he knew about the Olmec stoneheads. He was thrilled that I was curious about them, and thats when he told me about the professer at A&M.
He also told me hed get me some info on some guys who think its a hoax to promote the multiculture thing. I told him about castefootball, and he says he isgoing to join up! This is a guy who voted Obama, and is now snapping out of his brainwashing.
 

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He was my brother in laws professer. I have no college. My Brother-in-Law went to Texas A&M, and he is the most "educated" person I know. He is in his late 30s, and has been in some sort of school since he graduated from A&M. My sister also went there at the same time, but he graduated WAY higher in the class of like 10,000, so I called him to ask him what he knew about the Olmec stoneheads. He was thrilled that I was curious about them, and thats when he told me about the professer at A&M.
He also told me hed get me some info on some guys who think its a hoax to promote the multiculture thing. I told him about castefootball, and he says he isgoing to join up! This is a guy who voted Obama, and is now snapping out of his brainwashing.


Changing one mind at a time, P-Nut Lane.
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I hope he joins up.
 
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P-NutLane said:
Im very interested in what my brothers think of this Olmec culture. Has anyone studied these?
Olmec Civilization
I have a little trouble buying this. Maybe that makes me a racist.
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Every single thing I can find about this says the were the first, or very nearly first to sail to the Americas. Some even claim that these B.C. negros "FLEW" in aircraft over here!

And I'm sure they also "sailed" across the Pacific to spread their wonderful technology, (mud huts and wooden spears.)
The Nubians and Ethiopians had their own alphabet, the water wheel, advanced architecture (such as large stone structures like palaces)and bronze weapons. Much of it was introduced by outside sources, but they nevertheless did have it. They had the technology to get to the Americas and have an impact. Did they do it? Probably not. &n bsp;  Edited by: Fightingtowin
 

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Fightingtowin said:
jaxvid said:
P-NutLane said:
Im very interested in what my brothers think of this Olmec culture. Has anyone studied these?
Olmec Civilization
I have a little trouble buying this. Maybe that makes me a racist.
smiley5.gif

Every single thing I can find about this says the were the first, or very nearly first to sail to the Americas. Some even claim that these B.C. negros "FLEW" in aircraft over here!

And I'm sure they also "sailed" across the Pacific to spread their wonderful technology, (mud huts and wooden spears.)
The Nubians and Ethiopians had their own alphabet, the water wheel, advanced architecture (such as large stone structures like palaces)and bronze weapons. Much of it was introduced by outside sources, but they nevertheless did have it. They had the technology to get to the Americas and have an impact. Did they do it? Probably not. &n bsp;  

Meh. Nubians and Ethiopians are from East Africa. They wouldn't have sailed west to South America. Their "civilizations" were the result of being located close to Egypt, Greece and Rome, where their technology came from.

You wrote: Did they do it? What? Fly to South America?
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Dude c'mon!
 
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jaxvid said:
Fightingtowin said:
jaxvid said:
P-NutLane said:
Im very interested in what my brothers think of this Olmec culture. Has anyone studied these?
Olmec Civilization
I have a little trouble buying this. Maybe that makes me a racist.
smiley5.gif

Every single thing I can find about this says the were the first, or very nearly first to sail to the Americas. Some even claim that these B.C. negros "FLEW" in aircraft over here!

And I'm sure they also "sailed" across the Pacific to spread their wonderful technology, (mud huts and wooden spears.)
The Nubians and Ethiopians had their own alphabet, the water wheel, advanced architecture (such as large stone structures like palaces)and bronze weapons. Much of it was introduced by outside sources, but they nevertheless did have it. They had the technology to get to the Americas and have an impact. Did they do it? Probably not. &n bsp;  

Meh. Nubians and Ethiopians are from East Africa. They wouldn't have sailed west to South America. Their "civilizations" were the result of being located close to Egypt, Greece and Rome, where their technology came from.

You wrote: Did they do it? What? Fly to South America?
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Dude c'mon!
I know they didn't fly to S. America. c'mon, really. No need to insult my intelligence. lol However, there were reports in ancient times of Ethiopian and Nubian ships sailing to Europe. If (BIG IF) Negroes did arrive in Central America in ancient times, it would be because they got caught off course and were more or less swept away in a current. It would be a complete accident.

Lets say that unlikely scenario happened; that they were swept away in a current while trading with Europe. The people on the ship who actually survived the journey (with probably little food rations) would also have to possess the technological knowledge (architecture, writing, math, etc. of their kingdom), successfully introduce that technology to the natives and then have huge stone heads carved of them. The odds of all those things happening are close to zero. Edited by: Fightingtowin
 

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Those odds are close to zero, I agree. So why are they here? I dont buy for a second that a long ago negro people sailed much to ANYWHERE, so I am uneasy with everything I read about these Olmecs putting them in America before any other people. I cant buy that. Were they vastly different from the blacks of today? It would seem to me they would have HAD to been!
 
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Those odds are close to zero, I agree. So why are they here? I dont buy for a second that a long ago negro people sailed much to ANYWHERE, so I am uneasy with everything I read about these Olmecs putting them in America before any other people. I cant buy that. Were they vastly different from the blacks of today? It would seem to me they would have HAD to been!
It's because there was a small amount of intriguing evidence (which may have been explained away by now) and even if the theory has been disproved black extremists and white liberals will continue to push the propaganda, even if they know they are wrong. And for the record, Nubians did sail a lot. In the Old Testament, Isaiah called Nubia something like, "A land of sailing ships, a people dreaded near and far, a people strong and proud." That's probably not the exact quote, but I remember being pretty surprised when I saw it, so it stuck out.

I have not looked into this "pre-Columbus" exploration issue for around 10 years, but I did remember thinking some of the evidence was compelling but being frustrated because I couldn't find any kind of unbiased material on either side. Both sides just seemed to be rattling off talking points like our current political parties. From what I gathered, I don't think ancient negros made it to the America's and/or had any impact on Olmec culture.Edited by: Fightingtowin
 

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Maybe the Old Testament was refering to Somali's as a dreaded sailing people.
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One ship blown off course would not have any cultural effect on the area it landed in. It would take waves of people to effect any kind of meaningful cultural change. That's just the way it was back then because of limited communication ability.

What I don't understand about all this is what happened to the native africans? Their technology wasn't much better then the south american primatives. Other cultures show a continued line of progress like the chinese or Greeks?
 
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What I don't understand about all this is what happened to the native africans? Their technology wasn't much better then the south american primatives. Other cultures show a continued line of progress like the chinese or Greeks?
That could be written into a 1,000 page book, but the two primary reasons they stopped progressing--and went backwards--was because of guns and their focus on the slave trade. I'll give a couple of examples of what happened.

West Africa:
The Moroccans in North Africa, now armed with guns for the first time, decided that would give them an advantage over the large Negro kingdom of Songhay. Songhay was larger than Western Europe, had 100s of schools, libraries, governors, long distance trade with Europe and the Middle East and 1000s of cavalrymen with metal armor, swords, lances, etc. They dominated West Africa and were considered equals by the European and Arab kingdoms. Morocco pounded the northern part of the Negro kingdom for 25 years in the 1500s.Despite having guns, the Moroccans were never able to defeat Songhay, but inflicted enough damage that the kingdom split into different parts. Soon after Songhay fell the Atlantic Slave trade began to kick into gear and West African kings started gaining their power and wealth mostly through the Atlantic Slave Trade. This resulted in constant warfare and bloodshed, armies conquering and enslaving defenseless villages and chiefdoms. The once safe trade routes became too perilous. Former industries, such as textile and glass making, failed to grow at all. From 1600 on West Africa was almost in a constant state of warfare and didn't just fail to progress, it went backwards. &n bsp;

When the slave trade ended (because of white Christians by the way: a fact that often gets overlooked), the Negro kings were very upset because so much of their wealth and power was centered around it. The economies suffered a lot by the shock of abolition, but started to slowly improve again. Certain kingdoms wrote constitutions, began funding schools again, opened trade routes, industries started growing again, etc. But that's when the Maxim gun was invented and in about 20 years Europe conquered all but a couple small parts of Africa.

The East Coast:
In the 1400s the Portuguese--who had guns--conquered or destroyed a lot of the trading cities on the Swahili Coast that had between 20,000-60,000 people, but no standing armies or central king. They did the same on the West Coast of India. They gained enough influence in the Interior of Africa, that they were able to appoint rulers who would do what they wanted. The Portuguese tried to take over the trade between the coasts and the interior of Africa, but didn't know how to run it right. The economies of the three regions (both coasts and the interior) fell apart. Eventually the entire system of trade broke down. You now had rulers that had no traditional legitimacy, but were rather opportunist propped up by the Portuguese.

At the same time this was happening in Africa, white Europe began to advance rapidly (intellectually and technologically). Africa and the Middle East were not really aware of all the great advances going on in Europe and fell far, far behind and eventually got conquered.

I don't agree that kingdoms have a single line of progress. Europe suffered through the Dark Ages for 100s of years after the fall of Rome and China wasn't that great for much of the 19th and 20th centuries. Pretty much all of the Middle East fell backwards after the Middle Ages. India fell apart and is now making a come back. Civilizations are constantly rising and falling.



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All that you posted is a selective look at history. Constant warfare is not a cause of arrested advancement. The history of Europe is one war after another. War in fact drives technological advancement.

The dark ages were not so "dark", that is a biased look at history. The article above devolves into another blame whitey game with criticism directed at the Portugese who only were acting like the "Negro kings" of the time and conquering lesser peoples.

Civilizations are constantly rising and falling. Yep. Now for the first time we live in a failing civilization that's not being conquered but surrendering.
 
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jaxvid said:
All that you posted is a selective look at history. Constant warfare is not a cause of arrested advancement. The history of Europe is one war after another. War in fact drives technological advancement.

The dark ages were not so "dark", that is a biased look at history. The article above devolves into another blame whitey game with criticism directed at the Portugese who only were acting like the "Negro kings" of the time and conquering lesser peoples.

Civilizations are constantly rising and falling. Yep. Now for the first time we live in a failing civilization that's not being conquered but surrendering.
Well I'm definitely not the type to blame whitey (lol, white people got this world to where it is, for the most part, and held it together)-- and I faulted the Negro rulers and non-white Moroccans as much as the Portuguese for the initial downfall of Negro Africa--but I won't deny facts. There is no denying the Moroccan invasion triggered the downfall of Songhay (there were other reasons, as I said it could be written into a 1,000 page book) and there's no denying that after the Portuguese arrived in E. Africa the interegional trade almost completely dried up between East Africa, Central Africa and India and entire cities were wiped out when they refused (or couldn't) pay the taxes. Those are just historical facts.

However, I don't look down upon the the Portuguese at all for doing it. People have conquered weaker people throughout history. It is what it is. The East African and Central Africans should have had better armies if they didn't want to get conquered. Guns played a role, but they weren't the end all be all at that time; You didn't see the Portuguese dominating the West Africans or NE Africans because they had large and organized armies with better soldiers than those the Portuguese conquered. The East and Central Africans were very soft, along with the Indians, thus were easily defeated. And like you implied, whenever black kingdoms had the power, they also conquered their weaker neighbors. That's history. The strong march on and the weak get conquered.

And it's really not even a matter of why Africa fell so far behind Europe (because everybody did), but the reasons cited above are why they even fell behind the Middle East and Asia.

Pretty much, in the 1400s, white Europe took the ball and ran in regards to civilization, philosophy, technology and military strength. We blew by everybody. The Middle East and Asia roughly remained the same until Asia began to improve in the late 1800s by adopting some European technology and ideas. Africa, on the other hand, went backwards.

I agree that the term "Dark Ages" is an exaggeration and misnomer, just like the idea of the "Dark Continent" of Africa was exaggerated. However, there is truth to both. Besides Spain, which was ruled by outsiders, Western Europe was far from the glory and technology of the Roman Empire or Ancient Greece. The Byzantine Empire, although still strong, really did not make many significant cultural advancements like the ancient Greeks or Romans (Their biggest contribution was keeping the Arabs out of Europe). The largest library in Christian Europe at the time, for example, was in Paris with only around 300 books, compared to Moorish Spain, which built one with 500,000 books. Even Negro West Africa had larger libraries than Europe. But with the renaissance Europe exploded onto the world stage again and led us to where we are now. And like I said about "Dark Africa," Africa did go backwards. Were they a bunch of hunters and gatherers living in the jungle, running around naked and eating each other? No, less than 1% were likely hunters and gatherers (just like white Europe), but they were nowhere near the technology and power of Nubia, ancient Ethiopia or the West African kingdoms like Mali and Songhay to name a few.

So I stand behind my initial comments. You asked why Africa didn't progress and even fell back. I think the two primary reasons were 1. Guns, 2. Slavery.  &n bsp;  






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Im obsessed with the Olmecs. I study, but cant make any progress, because both sides are racist, it seems to me.Edited by: P-NutLane
 
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P-NutLane said:
Im obsessed with the Olmecs. I study, but cant make any progress, because both sides are racist, it seems to me.
Yup. That's pretty much what I discovered. Pretty annoying that so called professionals with PhDs can be so un-professional. Edited by: Fightingtowin
 
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