hmmmmm....lets see.......Never behind in a fight on any scorecard in any round....1 of only 2 heavywieght champions to NEVER be knocked to the canvas (the other is Gene Tunney) 1 of only 3 Heavyweight champions to retire with the belt (the other 2 are Rocky Marciano and Lennox Lewis) and he was winning BIG in both "Losses" one in wich he won 9 of 10 rounds fought but had to withdraw from an easy decision because of dislocated shoulder...the other fight was stopped by ref even though he put a protest...wanted rematch with Lewis but Lewis declined....who am i talking about??? DUH!!!Vitali Klitschko PhD. "Dr. IronFist"Considering all of what I said how many of you would agree with me that he would be favored by bookies against any fighter who ever lived??I know there is no way i would ever bet against him even if he fought Ali or Dempsey.....please post comments.....Love what we are doing here....KEEP IT UP!!!
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as long as you know mike tyson would have broken him down pre 91. i'd pick ali before the ban.
Clay the Irishman was knocked silly by 186lb Henry Cooper
Clay would not stand a chance against Vitali.Tyson at 5'11 would need a step ladder to hit Vitali
Vitali takes these two clowns out in 5 rounds. Too bad you have to go back in time to find a hero to cheer for because the Russians have chased the black boys right out of boxing!!Edited by: Gary
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Reggien definitely has some trolls in his yard, or maybe he is one?
Anyway, I think it is a fair thing to compare Vitale as one of if not the greatest by looking at those stats. The only thing that could convince me further would be more fights in his career. I do think he could handle Tyson and Clay. The only way they could have beaten him was if they got lucky.
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its to bad it tooksixty years for you to get a legetimate champ.some of the fighters tyson beat were bigger than him. but after prison everyon knows that wasn't the same tyson. it wouldn't have been any luck if tyson won. lets face it, these fighters today are not fighters. its to bad you have root for former eastern blockers to just to beat us in boxing and basketball. matter of fact, where is the american white boy in boxing and basketball.
What difference does it make if a White man comes from West Virigina or Russia?Your running out of excuse's
Russia always got more medals in the olympics then all of Africa put together.Russian men are far tougher then black men,even Stevie Wonder can see that!
When are black men going to win at hockey?That's been White dominated for 100 years? Vitali Klitschko not only beat black fighters he tore there hearts out-Kirk Johnson,Ed Mahone,Danny Williams were never the same after the beating he gave them-he ran Lennox Lewis into retirement.Tyson never fought a 6'8 250 man with the talent of Vitali-you lose[again]!!
When are black men going to win at hockey?That's been White dominated for 100 years? Vitali Klitschko not only beat black fighters he tore there hearts out-Kirk Johnson,Ed Mahone,Danny Williams were never the same after the beating he gave them-he ran Lennox Lewis into retirement.Tyson never fought a 6'8 250 man with the talent of Vitali-you lose[again]!!
Look Reggien-if you really want to help black folk,why not join the peace corps and do something with your life.The top 5 nations in the world according to highest living standards are Denmark,Sweden,Norway,Finland and Luxembourg-these nations all have one thing in common-they are very White.Now the bottom 5 are Afghanistan,Eritrea,Ethiopia,Sierra Leone and Angola-they all have some things in common-there all black except Afghanistan which is Muslim.
So instead of wasting time here making a fool of yourself.Get a life-try to learn to read and write better,then go to Africa or even New Orleans and help the folk there build a new crap house.
So instead of wasting time here making a fool of yourself.Get a life-try to learn to read and write better,then go to Africa or even New Orleans and help the folk there build a new crap house.
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I would have to say that Vitali is up there with Marciano and G.Tunney.I will however still say that when Wladimir is all said and done,he should be up there with the rest of these guys.Look how many fights he has been in and he also has an incredible knock out ratio.If Ali is in there with 4 losses,you have to put Wladimir in there.I just loved the way he took apart C.Byrd!A big thumbs up for my favorite heavyweight of the moment Wladimir Klitschko!!
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Rocky Marciano has to be up there for sure...he is my all time favorite.
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Guest,
Everyone knows Tyson fought in a weak era. Name me one great fighter he defeated. When he faced Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis he got torn apart.
Oh, and there are plenty of white American prospects up and coming (mollo, minto, etc.) and with the return of the former number one contender Baby Joe Messi, I think we Americans whites are in pretty good shape.
Name me an American black who is a rising star in the UFC?
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Everyone knows Tyson fought in a weak era. Name me one great fighter he defeated. When he faced Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis he got torn apart.
Oh, and there are plenty of white American prospects up and coming (mollo, minto, etc.) and with the return of the former number one contender Baby Joe Messi, I think we Americans whites are in pretty good shape.
Name me an American black who is a rising star in the UFC?
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Vitali Klitschko is unfortunately destined to probably be the most grossly under-rated HW in history, part of it being natural "fighters in my day were greater" mentality in boxing, but probably the majority of it owing to sheer anti-White racial prejudice.
I am amused that our troll thinks Tyson would handle Vitali so easily. I suppose he doesn't remember that Tyson was scared spitless of old fat Foreman on his comeback and did everything in his power to ensure they would not meet...and not without reason. Tyson was a short swarming fighter with power, on the model Dempsey, Marciano, or Frazier. The swarmer, all things being equal, tends to be the boxer's bane-he gets in where the boxer can't box, makes him look bad, hurts him, etc. The two (not one, IMO) fights Frazier won against Ali demonstrate this. But the big powerful slugger, who can push the swarmer off with brute force and knock him out, is the swarmer's bane, as the two Frazier-Foreman fights so aptly illustrate. (Mike Tyson was no Jack Dempsey nor Joe Frazier...you have mental problems if you think so.)
Tall, immensely strong slugger...sound like anyone we know? A certain Ukranian? Cold hard fact #1: A 91% KO ratio can't be argued with. Over the course of their careers, fighting all sorts of fighters, when glove met chin, Vitali put slightly more people away. I know not all chins are equal, but considering todays HWs are slightly bigger, the statistical odds are that they if anything have better chins on average. Vitali and Foreman (a black fighter whom I actually kind of like, btw) must at least be in the same ballpark when it comes to power. Fact#2-Never being knocked DOWN over the course of your career in a HW division featuring the biggest fighters ever means you have a phenomenal chin. By comparison, Foreman was knocked down/out several times, even by Ali, whom everyone admits didn't have as much power as some other HW champs. Of course, there's a good chance that Tyson wouldn't get to try Vitali's chin even once, since Vitali was a very intelligent fighter who always had a strategy, who would know to keep Tyson off and have the strength and punching power to do it.
Vitali was far better in the boxing department than Foreman-a man who has NEVER been behind is the scorecards is no stumblebum, to put it mildly, so it's unlikely Tyson could get a banging where he'd stand a chance of landing a good haymaker on Vitali. In fact, Vitali and Vladamir are probably among the most skilled big men ever to step in the ring...not that the boxing rags will give them acclaim for that ever.
So there you have it Vitali Klitscko, the equal of George Foreman, and a deadly threat to Tyson any day of the week in their respective primes.
I am amused that our troll thinks Tyson would handle Vitali so easily. I suppose he doesn't remember that Tyson was scared spitless of old fat Foreman on his comeback and did everything in his power to ensure they would not meet...and not without reason. Tyson was a short swarming fighter with power, on the model Dempsey, Marciano, or Frazier. The swarmer, all things being equal, tends to be the boxer's bane-he gets in where the boxer can't box, makes him look bad, hurts him, etc. The two (not one, IMO) fights Frazier won against Ali demonstrate this. But the big powerful slugger, who can push the swarmer off with brute force and knock him out, is the swarmer's bane, as the two Frazier-Foreman fights so aptly illustrate. (Mike Tyson was no Jack Dempsey nor Joe Frazier...you have mental problems if you think so.)
Tall, immensely strong slugger...sound like anyone we know? A certain Ukranian? Cold hard fact #1: A 91% KO ratio can't be argued with. Over the course of their careers, fighting all sorts of fighters, when glove met chin, Vitali put slightly more people away. I know not all chins are equal, but considering todays HWs are slightly bigger, the statistical odds are that they if anything have better chins on average. Vitali and Foreman (a black fighter whom I actually kind of like, btw) must at least be in the same ballpark when it comes to power. Fact#2-Never being knocked DOWN over the course of your career in a HW division featuring the biggest fighters ever means you have a phenomenal chin. By comparison, Foreman was knocked down/out several times, even by Ali, whom everyone admits didn't have as much power as some other HW champs. Of course, there's a good chance that Tyson wouldn't get to try Vitali's chin even once, since Vitali was a very intelligent fighter who always had a strategy, who would know to keep Tyson off and have the strength and punching power to do it.
Vitali was far better in the boxing department than Foreman-a man who has NEVER been behind is the scorecards is no stumblebum, to put it mildly, so it's unlikely Tyson could get a banging where he'd stand a chance of landing a good haymaker on Vitali. In fact, Vitali and Vladamir are probably among the most skilled big men ever to step in the ring...not that the boxing rags will give them acclaim for that ever.
So there you have it Vitali Klitscko, the equal of George Foreman, and a deadly threat to Tyson any day of the week in their respective primes.
my favorite black fighters of all time are frazier and foreman....they couldnt stand ali and they didnt hate whites or think they were better than us...plus that acted like champs are supposed to and because of this they were called uncle toms....its really sad that you gotta be an outspoken white hating muslim to get any respect as a black fighter back then
