The Colts

[White Shogun]

What Don said.

Word for word.

 

[Bart]

Peyton Manning is going for his 3rd straight MVP Award.How can anyone argue it?

The media will argue it! The media hype right now is Tomlinson and Alexander. The media is sick and tired of white QB's getting all these awards.

Just this afternoon, Dan Patrick discussed Peyton Manning with his guest Brian Urlacher. After giving some kudo's to Manning for his play calling abilities and so forth, Patrick piped in and said that a good argument can be made for Edgerrin James as the MVP of the Colts.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

I bet he didn't make the argument though, did he? That's because it wouldn't hold water. If it wasn't for Peyton, the Colts would be an average team at best. Without James, they would still be a playoff team. They have too many other weapons that could still be fired. Without Manning, the weapons have no bullets!

 

[White Shogun]

Patrick piped in and said that a good argument can be made for Edgerrin James as the MVP of the Colts.

Just f*****g ridiculous is what that is. What about James Mungro? He is capable of stepping in and running the ball as capably as the "Edge."

I don't think the Colts would even make the playoffs without Peyton Manning. They'd be in a race with the Jags to take the division at say, 9-7, without him.

 

[surfsider]

Totally agree Shogun. Arguably, the easiest position to fill in the NFL is RB. Denver puts anyone(that is black) in at RB and presto another 1000 yd. rusher. Even Ron Dayne has been effective for them at times. Holmes goes down in KC and Johnson looks like a superstar. Your right about Mungro, whenever I've seen him he's looked really good. Couldn't have anything to do with a decent O-line could it?
The only way a team goes deep into the play-offs with a back with big numbers but average QB is if the defense is overwhelmingly good.

 

[Don Wassall]

Totally agree Shogun. Arguably, the easiest position to fill in the NFL is RB. Denver puts anyone(that is black) in at RB and presto another 1000 yd. rusher. Even Ron Dayne has been effective for them at times. Holmes goes down in KC and Johnson looks like a superstar.

I think that when/if the NFL does play white running backs againthey will do very, very well. The play in the league has deteriorated noticeably at all positions (except quarterback) during this long dark age of contrived black dominance and running back is no exception.More than evertheir effectiveness is dependent on their offensive lines opening holes rather than some inherent advantage in athleticism. There are very few who are fast, that supposed quality that is used to justifytotally shutting whites out at the position.


Edgerrin James is slow but manages to see the (often gaping) hole, get through it make a lot of 5 to 9 yard gains. Ditto Corey Dillon and others. There is no shortage of white backs that could do the same and more if developed after high school.


Denver is another great example. Mike Anderson is a plodder who runs hard. So is Reuben Droughns, now of the Browns. So many people rave about the Steelers running backs, but their offensive line has been lousy the last few games, and there's no way guys like Bettis and Staley (big and slow) and Willie Parker (small and fast but easily brought down) can compensate. Dan Kreider, based on power, determination and rudimentary running skills, would have a better rushing average than any of them and he's not even a trained running back.Edited by: Don Wassall

 

[Bart]

If it wasn't for Peyton, the Colts would be an average team at best. Without James, they would still be a playoff team.

I agree with you Col. but here's another writer stumping for James. I had to laugh when I read this line: Best of all, James will enter the locker room flashing a smile, promoting a positive vibe and providing contagious energy.


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[GWTJ]

Don, I hope you are right about Manning cementing his legacy with a Super Bowl victory. And I agree that it would be good for all white QB's in general if Manning leads his team to the Lombardi Trophy. And that includes High School and College kids as well. But if the Colts do win the big one don't be surprised if it's Dungy or Edgerrin or Harrison on the cover of SI or ESPN the Mag.

I guess if the Steelers get knocked out of the playoffs I would root for Manning against some NFC team. But it would be impossible to root for Dungy. Very few people know this but in Super Bowl XIII(Steelers vs Cowboys) Dungy mishandled a routine onside kick allowing the Cowboys to recover and score a TD. That made the score 35-31. The game should have ended 35-24. The score was actually 35-17 with only a few minutes left and the Steelers didn't mind giving up a meaningless TD. Thanks to Dungy, Jackie Smith has been immortalized as the goat of that Super Bowl because his dropped pass turned out to be the 4 point difference in the game. Since that game it has become fashionable for self-hating whites to hold lifelong grudges against white athletes they feel have choked or just screwed up. Screw Dungy!

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Bart, you should also put that post in the thread we have going in happy hour!

 

[sport historian]

Running back is the easiest position to fill. It has always been harder to find (and develop) a Super Bowl-caliber QB.

 

[Bunnyman]

Guys, I just can't root for the Colts. If they win the Super Bowl the media will give ALL the credit to Dungy. We will be treated to long diatribes about how white racism has prevented (and is preventing) a long line of genius black coaches from dominating the coaching ranks of the NFL.


I am hoping and praying that the Steelers, Broncos, Pats (my team) orChargerscan spring a surprise in the AFC playoffs. If not, I'll take the Seahawks, Cowboys, Giantsor Panthers in the Super Bowl.


Please - anyone but the Colts!

 

[White Shogun]

Please - anyone but the Colts!

How bout dem Falcons?

Thing is, if the Colts do not make it to the Super Bowl, Peyton Manning will continue to be labeled as a choke artist, and none of the blame will fall on the head and shoulders of Coach Dungy. I'd rather the Colts win and prop up the reputation of the pure pocket passer and throw some bones to Dungy, than have Peyton's inability to win the big one damage the credibility of white, pocket quarterbacks. Edited by: White Shogun

 

[backrow]

guys, Tony Dungy is actually a good coach, although arguably his offensive coordinator and QB in the same person (Manning) is responsible for how well this offense does...

 

[Poacher]

Dungy looks to me to be the most disengaged coach in the NFL on
Sunday. While his quarterback and O-coordinator run the team he
just kind of paces back and forth looking bored. He's got the
easiest job in the NFL. Make no mistake about it, that team
lives and dies with Peyton Manning. The way he is running that
no-huddle offense this year is a marvel. Defenses can't get set
against him because they can't switch personnel and if they do
manage to Peyton just calls an audible (or a fake one) and burns
them. He is the MVP this year. I really think a lot of the
guy. He is the most prepared, most professional and hardest
working QB in the league. While the Vicks of the league are
running 100m sprints to save their speed, Manning is in the film
room disecting defenses with Tom Mora. I think this is his
year. I can't see any team coming into the RCA dome and beating
them. I think they will face the Panthers or Seahawks in the
superbowl and whip either one of them.

 

[backrow]

yeah but what Dungy did do for Colts (and years ago for Bucs) is rebuilt their defense and based it all on quick, pretty smart players... this D`plays fast and is way better than they used to be... Indy used to put up like 30 points on the board and still loose... so here credit goes to Dungy, now on offense i think he really does have little to do with that

all offensive credit should go to Manning and that's why some of us are upset that he isn't incorporating guys like Clark and Stokley (not even mentioning Ben Utecht another talented player) more into offensive gameplan...

 

[GWTJ]

It looks like Brandon Stokely has been completely phased out of the Colts game plans.

 

[bigunreal]

Yes, it looks like Brian Fletcher is a lot more talented than anyone
ever thought (after all, what kind of TE is drafted in the 6th round
and cut by the TE-less Bears?)



Really, I don't see what there is to cheer for now with the Colts,
except for the fact they have a white superstar QB. Sorry, but I don't
think that fact will make a dent in the Caste System, even if they win
the Super Bowl and Manning is named MVP. It is absolutely disgusting
what is happening with Brandon Stokley. When is the last time a guy
came off a seaon like he had last year, and was used so little
the next season, despite being healthy and there being no contract
issues? As for Dallas Clark, Manning now gives more looks to that
derelict Fletcher than him. In other words, Clark is gradually becoming
not even the top TE receiving option on the team. Sounds a lot like the
last few seasons, when he had to be a second banana to an older,
slower, but blacker TE. What's the excuse now? How do you possibly not
throw more to an awesome threat like Clark than to a waiver-wire
castoff like Fletcher? And I'll ask it again, how did this Fletcher
overtake both Utecht and Hartsog on the TE depth chart? What else does
he have going for him other than his race?



This season has been so disappointing. Last year, it was a lot of fun
to watch that high-powered offense, with two white receivers playing
prominent roles. This year, there was every expectation that things
would be even better. Stokely was healthier than ever and had been
given a nice bonus in the offseason, and Dallas Clark figured to become
a top playmaking TE, with Marcus Pollard going to the Lions. Instead,
other than one game, Clark has been pretty much ignored by Manning. Do
you realize that this derelict Fletcher has now scored in three
straight games? What a travesty! As for Stokely, how can he not
complain? He was one of the top playmakers last season on a
record-setting offense, and now he has bascially been benched. Still,
he smiles and looks happy, like all white players do when they are
given the shaft (as they usually are). The most activity he gets now is
competing with Clark to see who can congratulate whatever black
teammate scored the most enthusiastically.



Peyton Manning has a great deal of power over what plays are called,
and thus who gets the ball. He is clearly forcing the ball the
Harrison, throwing Wayne enough crumbs to keep him happy, and is
growing inexplicably fond of the nondescript Fletcher. He apparently
hasn't lobbied for his supposed buddy Stokely to get any more playing
time, and when Stokely hits the field, he seldom looks for him. He
certainly never forces the ball to his friend the way he does on a
regular basis with Harrison. Until he starts utilizing his two great
white receivers, I see no reason to root for the Colts or Manning.
Brandon Stokely should at least ask for a new roommate.

 

[backrow]

Fletcher is not to blame, i mean if i get a chance to score in NFL i will take it, and that's what he does... what is not understandable is how few looks are Clark and Stokley getting... so i would blame Manning and their offensive coordinator... no excuses here, they are both fast, have great hands, smart, run good routes-what else can they possibly do right???
every time they get the damm ball they are very productive with it!

 

[bigunreal]

I'm not blaming Fletcher at all. It I was mediocre at my profession,
but was given every advantage over my more skilled competitiors simply
because of my skin color, I'd go along with the program, too. My
problem is with the Colts' coaches, and especially with Peyton Manning.
Right now, with the possible exception of Brett Favre, no other white
NFL player has the power and influence that Manning has. He is supposed
to be great friends with Brandon Stokley, and they are roommates. He
saw what he can do when given half an opportunity last season. How does
he not force more balls to Stokely or lobby the coaching staff to keep
him on the field more often? As for Fletcher, Manning certainly isn't
stupid; he has to know that Dallas Clark is a special athlete who can
do things few other TEs in the league can do. How can he not protest
taking Stokley off the field so that some run-of-the-mill castoff TE
can see lots of playing time? How can he possibly give more looks to
this bum than to the incredibly talented Clark? This is a unique
situation in Indianapolis, which we aren't likely to see again, unless
the Caste System is overthrown; white superstar, with almost unlimited
influence over how the offense is run, and who gets the ball, on a team
that actually has two exceptional whites at skill positions. If Manning
and co. win the Super Bowl this season, and continue to ignore Stokley
and Clark in the process, does anyone really think that's a positive
development that will lead to the elimination of the Caste System?
Let's see what happens in the offseason, when Reggie Wayne becomes an
unrestricted free agent. Being a talented black WR, you can be certain
he wants to go somewhere else so that he can be "the man," and not
Marvin Harrison's second banana. If that happens, then the logical move
would be for the team to just insert Stokely into Wayne's starting
spot. Of course, with his best friend and roommate the most influential
member of the team, this should be a slam-dunk for Stokley. Right?
Well, so far this season, his buddy and roommate hasn't exactly been
looking out for him. We'll see if Manning advocates for Stokely to be a
starting WR on his team, or if he just stands back and lets the team
make the predictable Caste System move of going after some less
talented black WR or drafting a rookie WR in the first round to take
Wayne's place.

 

[JD074]

This is a unique
situation in Indianapolis, which we aren't likely to see again, unless
the Caste System is overthrown; white superstar, with almost unlimited
influence over how the offense is run, and who gets the ball, on a team
that actually has two exceptional whites at skill positions.

You are so right. Best team, best quarterback, and two of the best white receivers in the game, and nothing. It's pathetic. I still want Manning to be successful, but he's a flawed human being just like anyone else. We can't trust any of these people. I used to really like Favre but I don't anymore because of things that he's done that bothered me. His MVP awards and Super Bowls are a distant memory to me; I don't care. I like Manning more than him, but this puts a damper on his success, for me anyway- and obviously you, too.

It's important to us that white QB's do well, but I would rather see talented, fast, athletic white receivers, defenders, and ball carriers than a Super Bowl for Manning. I would still like to see him win, but I would be fine with a white player getting in his way somehow (like if a white receiver on an opposing team in the playoffs got 150 yards and 3 TD's, to help beat the Colts, something like that.)

The one other thing I'll point is out is that most other white QB's would probably act in the same manner if they were in Manning's shoes. It's still troubling because he's the one with the opportunity to throw to these guys, but most guys would be doing the same thing.

If Manning
and co. win the Super Bowl this season, and continue to ignore Stokley
and Clark in the process, does anyone really think that's a positive
development that will lead to the elimination of the Caste System?

Yeah, you're right. The black QB's are their own worst enemy at this point, not the white pocket passers who are making them look bad. The push for black QB's appears to be overwhelming; it probably doesn't matter much what Manning does, black QB's will get every opportunity they could possibly hope for, including ones they don't deserve. Look at how they talk about the dearth of black coaches in college football, and how much they've already changed the face of sports. They'll follow their "pro-diversity" (pro-black) agenda regardless of what Manning accomplishes.

If that happens, then the logical move
would be for the team to just insert Stokely into Wayne's starting
spot.

And it won't surprise any of us if that doesn't happen. In fact I'll be more surprised if it does.

Edited by: JD074

 

[Don Wassall]

Reggie Wayne just inked a six-year $40 million contract with the Colts. Let's see, Stokley will be 36 at the end of Wayne's contract. . .

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5351986

 

[white lightning]

That is bad news for Stokley.He is stuck there as he signed a long term deal last year.Let's hope that they find a way to get him the ball a little bit more.They are going to let go of E.James as I have said for a long time now.That is why I wanted Lumsden or Forsey to end up there.Maybe they will suprise us and go after Nick Hartigan as a late round steal.We can only hope but I won't hold my breath!

 

[robcat]

Marvin Harrison seems older than 33 but thats what he is. Considering how well he avoids contact he'll probably play as long as Tim Brown and Jerry Rice. Stokley should have signed a shorter deal but then again what teams would have pursued him to be a starter? Probably none.

 

[bigunreal]

If any black WR had done what Stokley did in 2004, as a slot guy, he'd have every team in the league drooling over him. Of course, when Stokley sutprisingly caught Manning's record breaking TD pass, he hardly received any publicity for that. Compare that to the incredible amount of attention the obnoxious, do-nothing WR Freddie Mitchell got when he caught a lousy third-down pass in the playoffs. Look at all the attention Antwan Randle El is already getting; this guy was constantly referred to as the best third WR in the game a few years ago, even when Stokley was outproducing him by a mile in every way. It just is so unfair. Oh, for one honest sports journalist!

 

[White Shogun]

Reggie Wayne signed a 6-year deal with the Colts, worth nearly $40 million. This makes him the third highest paid wide receiver in the league, behind teammate Marvin Harrison and Randy Moss.

How great were the stats for the second WR on the Colts last year, you ask, that warranted such a bounty?

Wayne had 83 catches for 1,055 yards and five touchdowns.

WOW!!

Thats about $6 million a year, or... about $72,000 per catch... or, $5,687 per yard.. or, $1,200,000 per touchdown.

In December of '04, Stokely signed a contract extension for $17 million over five years, plus a $5 million bonus.
Stokely had 68 catches that year, for 1,077 yards and 10 touchdowns.

Or, $50,000 per catch, $3,156 per yard, or a measley $340,000 per touchdown reception.

And you say there is no caste system in the NFL! Phbbbb!!

Edited by: White Shogun