The Casteing of Kevin Love

[ToughJ.Riggins]

Now as many of us may know, Kevin Love is projected to go in many mock drafts to the Memphis Grizzlies at number 5 overall. Kevin Love just finished the Pre-Draft Orlando Combine and put up impressive numbers. Yet the top sites are still arbitrarily dismissing Love as an athlete with disparaging remarks. Love has dropped 20 pounds and is now 6'8 255 lbs. compared to 275 lbs. Love clearly proved at the Orlando Combine that he more than measures up as an athlete, yet the caste speak won't stop. Below is what a drunken fan says under an article about the Seattle Super Sonics working out Love with other players as the possible number 4 pick. This echoes the sentiments of many other drunken fans I have read comments of around the net:

Comment:
We've done the white guy and foreigner thing. This team needs some more badass brothers like Durant. As much as I like Collison, Ridnour and dont like Petro, Swift, Sene... pick a freakin athletic freak from a major college. Love is a stiff.

Now lets compare Kevin Love to Michael Beasley who is given a 10 overall rating by nbadraft.net for athleticism and a 9 for quickness as well as a 7 for defense. Love by comparison is given an 8 for athleticism and a ridiculous 5 for quickness when in reality Love is more like a 9 for athleticism and an 8 for quickness. nbadraft.net also gives Love a ridiculous 6 for defense, when as we all know Love is a good shot blocker and is more like an 8 for defense. Here is Kevin Love vs. Michael Beasley by the numbers and you will see their measurements are nearly identical. Sure Love might lose a little lateral quickness still being 30 lbs heavier than Beasley but Love is no stiff by any stretch he has equal straight lined speed:

Michael Beasley, Kansas State
Height: 6′7″ (6′8 1/2″ in shoes)
Wingspan: 7′0 1/4″
Standing Reach: 8′11″
Body Fat: 7.7%
Vertical Jump (no step): 30″
Vertical Jump (max): 35″
Bench Press: 19
Lane Agility: 11.06
3/4 Court Sprint: 3.24

Kevin Love, UCLA
Height: 6′7 3/4″ (6′9 1/2″)
Wingspan: 6′11 1/4″
Standing Reach: 8′10″
Body Fat: 12.9%
Vertical Jump (no step): 29.5″
Vertical Jump (max): 35″
Bench Press: 18
Lane Agility: 11.17
3/4 Court Sprint: 3.22

Now lets take a look around the league via Draftexpress.com to see how Love measures up to still other players and the average measurements of his own position:


Measurement History | Average Wingspan/Reach by Height:
Primary PositionSample SizeAvg Height w/o ShoesAverage WeightAverage WingspanAverage Standing Reach
PG1396' 0.40"184 6' 4.6"8' 0.4"
SG1326' 3.67"202 6' 8.2"8' 5
SF1136' 6.13"213 6' 10.5"8' 8
PF2196' 7.73"235 7' 0.7"8' 10.5"
C1156' 9.96"251 7' 2.8"9' 1.7"

Average Athletic Testing by Position
Primary PositionSample SizeNo Step VertMax VertBench PressLane Agility3/4 Court Sprint
PG123& nbsp;29.435.0&nbsp ;8.011.17&nb sp;3.21
SG118& nbsp;29.634.9&nbsp ;10.511.35&n bsp;3.23
SF101& nbsp;29.834.6&nbsp ;11.011.38&n bsp;3.26
PF197& nbsp;28.532.8&nbsp ;12.811.72&n bsp;3.32
C101&n bsp;26.730.6 11.712.15&nb sp;3.43

Yet here is what nbadraft.net says about Kevin Love:
The Grizzlies are very high on Kevin Love and although this draft lacks many sure bets after the top 3-4, Love seems like a huge reach at 5. While he's extremely skilled and advanced for a freshman, his mobility and upside have to be questioned. Considering this is the team that gave away Pau Gasol for a flaming paper bag on the doorstep, drafting Love at 5 seems like par for the course.

Even caste friendly Draftdaddy.com has called Love a major reach for the 5th pick in their mock draft and called him a "limited athlete".

So let me get this straight Kevin Love runs a 3/4 court sprint and has a vertical identical to your average PG and SG in the league at 6'8 255 lbs., but he isn't worth the 5th pick despite being absolutely dominant in college this year and the biggest reason that UCLA made the final four.

Now lets see how that bad ass brother that the drunken fan mentioned, Kevin Durant measures up:

Kevin Durant
Height: 6' 9"
Weight: 215
Wingspan: 7' 4.75"
Standing reach 9' 2"
Body Fat ratio: 6.6%&n bsp;
No Step vertical: 26.0"
Max Vertical: 33.5"
Lane Agility: 12.33 seconds (ouch)
3/4 court sprint: 3.45 seconds (ouch)

Yet Durant is an athletic freak to these drunken white fans and the media didn't question Durant as the number 2 overall pick last year despite his poor combine performance. Durant is a superstar and it doesn't matter how much he shoots when he is scoring 20 points per game as a rookie. The drunken fans see him as a star, not an overrated player who takes too many shots to get his points in college and will continue to do so IMO his whole career in the NBA. Durant is not an impressive passer either, unlike Love who makes his teammates much better.

Love is not only an above average athlete, he is the best passing PF the game has seen in college for quite some time and has been compared to Wes Unseld and Bill Walton for his amazing outlet passing and low post passing. Love is very fundamentally sound and is nearly unstoppable in the post one on one. Love is also tough as nails with a golden work ethic who will fight for every rebound. To top that off Love made first team all American this past season playing 20 lbs. heavier than he is now as a freshman. I think that speaks to some "upside". Love is not a "freak" athlete like fellow Caucasians Chase Budinger or Joe Alexander are, but he is a good athlete none the less and is not really undersized. Love is a banger and his standing reach is a mere 1/2 inch shorter than your average NBA Power Forward. So I ask, how is this guy not worth the fifth pick? The answer is simple there is a caste system in the NBA as well. The fawning over black athletes continues for the unforeseeable future.

 

[Deadlift]

"Durant is not an impressive passer either, unlike Love who makes his teammates much better."


Surprisingly, I've seen someone on TV that said Durant doesn't make his team better. This was after the regular (NBA) season finished.

It's true that Durant has already been "annointed." I'm not really worried about the NBA Caste Media. You know how ESPN and other networks try to get images that "prove" black supremacy? Well, whenever I see Durant highlights, I don't see an athletic freak. The same is true for O.J. Mayo (does the "O" stand for Overrated?). They are mostly jump shooters, rather than unstoppable high-flyers. They don't make their team better, either. Ball-hogging Stephon Marbury may have been better, and that's saying something!!

As for Kevin Love, I think it's more important WHO he goes to and not what number he's picked.

Is Georgetown Center, Roy Hibbert, in this Draft? If so, he is STIFF.

 

[guest301]

"Durant is not an impressive passer either, unlike Love who makes his teammates much better."


Surprisingly, I've seen someone on TV that said Durant doesn't make his team better. This was after the regular (NBA) season finished.

It's true that Durant has already been "annointed." I'm not really worried about the NBA Caste Media. You know how ESPN and other networks try to get images that "prove" black supremacy? Well, whenever I see Durant highlights, I don't see an athletic freak. The same is true for O.J. Mayo (does the "O" stand for Overrated?). They are mostly jump shooters, rather than unstoppable high-flyers. They don't make their team better, either. Ball-hogging Stephon Marbury may have been better, and that's saying something!!

As for Kevin Love, I think it's more important WHO he goes to and not what number he's picked.

Is Georgetown Center, Roy Hibbert, in this Draft? If so, he is STIFF.

Hibbert is in this draft. He's projected to go to the Cavs if Kosta Koufous doesn't fall to the 19th spot.

 

[Deadlift]

Thanks.


Kosta is a promising player.

 

[guest301]

Thanks.


Kosta is a promising player.

Yes he is, maybe a poor man's Dirk eventually. If the Cavs draft him and make a rumored deal to get Hinrich, I might just decide to be a Cavs fan even with all the Lebron worship.

 

[GiovaniMarcon]

The sports media is setting up low expectations for him, just like all white athletes, so that nobody asks questions when he fades into manufactured obscurity in favor of the less talented blacks ordained to be praised instead of him.

 

[PhillyBirds]

If I recall, Durant was unable to complete one rep at 185lb bench press during his workout. Talk about athleticism.

 

[jared]

You are correct. I know he has long arms but -c'mon- these are people that have only one purpose in life: to be athletic and in shape.

 

[Guest]

Love is more like a 9 for athleticism and an 8 for quickness.

Sorry, but Love is definitely not a "9" athleticism player. He isn't quick either. He gives his man space so he can stay in front of him. He plays below the rim and struggles against more athletic players. Also you're using a draft site that is run by some random guy. Why not use a better site?

Yet here is what nbadraft.net says about Kevin Love:

The Grizzlies are very high on Kevin Love and although this draft lacks many sure bets after the top 3-4, Love seems like a huge reach at 5. While he's extremely skilled and advanced for a freshman, his mobility and upside have to be questioned. Considering this is the team that gave away Pau Gasol for a flaming paper bag on the doorstep, drafting Love at 5 seems like par for the course.



Even caste friendly Draftdaddy.com has called Love a major reach for the 5th pick in their mock draft and called him a "limited athlete".

I don't know, maybe Love....isn't a great athlete?

So let me get this straight Kevin Love runs a 3/4 court sprint and has a vertical identical to your average PG and SG in the league at 6'8 255 lbs.,

*Average draft prospect who will try to make the NBA, not average NBA player.

Yet Durant is an athletic freak to these drunken white fans and the media didn't question Durant as the number 2 overall pick last year despite his poor combine performance.

Who says Durant is an athletic freak? Anyone? Nobody says this. Well except you because you pull stuff from your ass so well. And he was drafted #2 because he dominated in college.

Durant is a superstar and it doesn't matter how much he shoots when he is scoring 20 points per game as a rookie.

He was the main scoring option on a horrible team. You really can't blame a 19 year old kid for struggling in this situation.

The drunken fans see him as a star, not an overrated player who takes too many shots to get his points in college and will continue to do so IMO his whole career in the NBA. Durant is not an impressive passer either, unlike Love who makes his teammates much better.

Took too many shots to get his points in college? He shot really really well for a perimeter player in college and made over 40% of his threes WHILE taking a good amount of shots. That makes it even more impressive for him to keep such a high FG% while taking more shots.

Love is not only an above average athlete,

I thought he was a great and amazing athlete who was a 9 in athleticism?

but he is a good athlete none the less

Then why would you give him a 9 for athleticism?

 

[white lightning]

So a question for Joe Alexander, are you only here to question the other board members? I was just curious if you are going to contribute to the site or just be another of the countless trolls that eventually get banned for cutting down the white athlete despite what they acheive. Make your position known or else we will eventually make sure that you do not post here.

Kevin Love is a above average athlete. While he is no Joe Alexander or Chase Budinger, he more than makes up for it with good speed, and great strength. He is probably one of the strongest kids in all of college basketball. He can play down in the paint and bang with the big boys, while having the shooting ability that is rarely found in a big man. A top 5 pick is not a stretch in my opinion if you watched any Pac Ten Basketball. He flat out dominated the toughest conference in the nation.

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

Love is more like a 9 for athleticism and an 8 for quickness.

Sorry, but Love is definitely not a "9" athleticism player. He isn't quick either. He gives his man space so he can stay in front of him. He plays below the rim and struggles against more athletic players. Also you're using a draft site that is run by some random guy. Why not use a better site?

Yet here is what nbadraft.net says about Kevin Love:
The Grizzlies are very high on Kevin Love and although this draft lacks many sure bets after the top 3-4, Love seems like a huge reach at 5. While he's extremely skilled and advanced for a freshman, his mobility and upside have to be questioned. Considering this is the team that gave away Pau Gasol for a flaming paper bag on the doorstep, drafting Love at 5 seems like par for the course.

Even caste friendly Draftdaddy.com has called Love a major reach for the 5th pick in their mock draft and called him a "limited athlete".

I don't know, maybe Love....isn't a great athlete?

So let me get this straight Kevin Love runs a 3/4 court sprint and has a vertical identical to your average PG and SG in the league at 6'8 255 lbs.,

*Average draft prospect who will try to make the NBA, not average NBA player.

Yet Durant is an athletic freak to these drunken white fans and the media didn't question Durant as the number 2 overall pick last year despite his poor combine performance.

Who says Durant is an athletic freak? Anyone? Nobody says this. Well except you because you pull stuff from your ass so well. And he was drafted #2 because he dominated in college.

Durant is a superstar and it doesn't matter how much he shoots when he is scoring 20 points per game as a rookie.

He was the main scoring option on a horrible team. You really can't blame a 19 year old kid for struggling in this situation.

The drunken fans see him as a star, not an overrated player who takes too many shots to get his points in college and will continue to do so IMO his whole career in the NBA. Durant is not an impressive passer either, unlike Love who makes his teammates much better.

Took too many shots to get his points in college? He shot really really well for a perimeter player in college and made over 40% of his threes WHILE taking a good amount of shots. That makes it even more impressive for him to keep such a high FG% while taking more shots.

Love is not only an above average athlete,

I thought he was a great and amazing athlete who was a 9 in athleticism?

but he is a good athlete none the less

Then why would you give him a 9 for athleticism?

If you know anything about Nbadraft.net an analyzed player never gets less than 5 out of 10 in an athletic category as far as I've seen, usually not even less than 6 out of 10.

So if you use this scale, that would make my analysis of Kevin Love's athleticism a 5 out of 6. If I could give Love a 4.5 out of 6 for athleticism I would, but Nbadraft.net doesn't do fraction ratings. This would also mean that I'd give Love a 4 out of 6 for quickness compared to your average Power Forward "on an NBA roster" (instead of nbadraft.net's ridiculous 1 out of 6). So as I stated; Love is not a freak athlete, but he is an above average athlete none the less.

And you do make a good point, I admit, about the fact that not all the players at the NBA combine make it in the NBA. So having said that, that would mean Love is "slightly" less athletic than your average PG "that makes an NBA roster" at least according to his workout numbers. Still very impressive for a 6'8, 255 pound man.

But I stick by my assessment that Kevin Durant will never be an efficient player in the NBA. He is overrated. I watched him in college so it is not just his rookie season in the NBA that has me believing this. He shoots too much to get his points and will not be effective enough at getting to the free throw line to make up for it in the NBA. Durant is also not a very good passer and doesn't have the foot speed to guard explosive shooting guards or small forwards or the strength to guard power forwards. Kevin Durant is not the kind of player that will help a team win a championship!

And on your other Kevin Durant comment calling me a BSer: I did not pull stuff out of my ass that a lot of fans see him as a great athlete. Just look at the comment I listed of a drunken fan at the beginning of my post. No other poster called him out on it. You can find the hate on Kevin Love that I mentioned with the comment about Kevin Durant being an "athletic" bad ass brotha here as well as various other places around the net:

[url]http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/sonics/archives/140522.as p [/url]

And I have seen many other comments on footballsfuture.com's NBA Forum that call Love a bad athlete, but didn't see the same for Kevin Durant last year. I would definitely go as far as say your average NBA fan thinks Kevin Durant is a good athlete and Kevin Love is a poor one. But in reality Kevin Durant is less athletic than Kevin Love.

NBAdraft.net even called Durant a more athletic/fluid Dirk Nowitzki before the NBA combine which would seem to be untrue. So I am not "pulling this stuff out of my ass" at all, so you are an ******* and I'm glad your banned! Maximus, is Joe Alexander another one of your alter-egos? We've banned many of them Texas Tech etc. etc.Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

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Here is Kevin Durant's numbers as a Texas Freshman. He shot 47% from the field which is average for a college PF, but not good for the "Freshman of the year". He got to the line enough in college to make up for his average FG%, but will not be able to do so in the NBA against athletic defenders. Durant will not be a dominant rebounder in the NBA like he was in college either. Durant also only had 1.3 assists per game compared to 2.8 turnovers for the Longhorns...ouch! Love IMO if he gets in the right system where they believe in him will do more to help a team win a championship than Durant ever will. Just my opinion, but I do have evidence to back it up!

 

[Blue Devils]

I hope my team the Bobcats get him as their projected to. Either Love or Alexander is who I want. With Larry Brown as the head coach he'll probably ride the bench while less talented black players like the injury prone Sean May gets all the minutes.

 

[celticdb15]

Their was a good interview with Love the other day on ESPN. one of the questions a black commentator asked Love was why he shed 10 pounds going in to the draft. LOve's response was that a lot of people were calling him unathletic or had too much body fat so he wanted to make himself look even more athletic in their eyes. Seems like a confident guy!

 

[Don Wassall]

Love fends off the wrath of the drunk white fans, for a day at least. Notice that he had only 15 minutes to prove himself in a summer league exhibition game before being proclaimed a bust.


T-Wolves Fans Could Learn to Like Love


It was easy to envision Internet message boards devoted to the Minnesota Timberwolves exploding with anger as Kevin Love missed shot after shot and committed foul after foul early in his NBA Summer League debut Monday.


Yes, the 19-year-old rookie forward from UCLA struggled mightily in his first 15 minutes as a professional player.


Minnesota general manager Kevin McHale must have been getting roasted online. It was he who engineered a draft-day trade with Memphis to swap O.J. Mayo, the No. 3 overall pick and apparent fan favorite, for Love, the No. 5 pick, as part of an eight-player deal.


But the 6-foot-10-inch Love appears to be a quick study. He found his groove in the second half and finished with 18 points and 13 rebounds in the Timberwolves' 88-74 loss to the Dallas Mavericks at Cox Pavilion.


http://www.lvrj.com/sports/25459084.html

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

Kevin Love plays below the rim according to the unscrupulous and thankfully now banned Joe Alexander. Kevin Love has a 35 inch vertical you idiot. Dwyane Wade only has a 35.5 inch vertical and is considered one of the best athletes in the league. Dwyane Wade runs a 3.08 3/4 court sprint if I recall and Love runs a 3.22; not bad at all by comparison for such a larger framed man. The real Joe Alexander (not this caste clown that was banned from our site) runs an insane 2.99 3/4 court sprint. Alexander is one of 5 NBA players total at the NBA Orlando Pre-draft combine to go sub 3 in the 3/4 court sprint since 2000 when Draftexpress.com started keeping track of it and the only forward to do so.

Whites measure up quite nicely.

Giving Kevin Love a 5 out of 6 for athleticism and a 4 out of 6 for quickness compared to your average NBA PF prospect sounds about right to me! Jay Bilas of ESPN has agreed that Love is an underrated athlete. Even an ESPN guru is apparently less caste than this Joe Alexander clown!

Kevin Love is just as good a player IMO as Michael Beasley. Love loses a little lateral quickness to Beasley for Defense, but Love is just as fast, jumps as well, posts up and scores as well, rebounds very close to as well. Love is also considered the best passing NCAA forward prospect since Bill Walton. Love probably blocks shots better as well than Beasley on help defense with his quick hands!Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins

 

[pistol pete]

Kevin Love had another good game with 18 points, 17 rebounds, 4 assists and 2 blocks.

Can't run, can't jump... white guy, everyone says he is slow and unathletic.

Yeah, they said the same things about Larry Bird.

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

Love is a significantly better athlete than Adam Morrison measurement wise. I actually think Adam Morrison has a shot to have a resurgence though, if he can rehab his knee well. He was just starting to find his nitch in the league as a scoring spark (he may never be a stat filler) and then busted his knee. Love will be at least a good NBA player. He is one of the few guys I have few doubts about. He could even become a legit all star.

 

[guest301]

Love is a significantly better athlete than Adam Morrison measurement wise. I actually think Adam Morrison has a shot to have a resurgence though, if he can rehab his knee well. He was just starting to find his nitch in the league as a scoring spark (he may never be a stat filler) and then busted his knee. Love will be at least a good NBA player. He is one of the few guys I have few doubts about. He could even become a legit all star.

I am hoping Morrison gets healthy and gets his game back because there is no reason why he can't be a 18 to 20 point per game guy in the league if not better.