Just like to add a few things here. I very much agree that "my" (I'm my devout wife's helper - anything that needs hands on work to be done, I'm there, not for the church, but because she's a true believer. My wife's faith is not effected by these bums who're in charge) church is going downhill fast. The leadership is just playing out the string and they know what they're doing is against the church teachings, but in order for them to keep getting govt. money, they know they must play ball. Also, again as my wife's helper, I'm involved with a church group who help the poor by gathering good used furniture and selling it and using the money to help people down on their luck. Something good comes out of this. Number one, I get to use my knowledge of leverage (I'm not strong anymore) to move the furniture. I was completely shocked at how little the male help knew/know about any physical work. I'm always the last to know things. But the mainly women who help in this work are older and not in any way jerks, like so many younger women (I had no experience in being around women other than my wife - I'd certainly never worked with any). But these women stand back and let us men do the work we have to with the heavier pieces of furniture with very little to say about it (grandmother type women know about the "division of labor"). Interestingly, they also know that I wouldn't be there if it had to do with Catholicism. That I'm only there because I love my wife and I get to move furniture and do a little teaching of our few younger volunteers, hs kids - knotcraft, use of their bodies as tools, timeliness (I always tell them in no uncertain terms when they're late and let them know in no uncertainterms, no one cares about their dumb excuses). The women love to hear them spoken to that way. Of course, I don't speak to the young girl volunteers in that manner.
I let them know I love them and accept any excuse from them right in front of the boys I've just balled out. The boys must wonder at the double standard, which is my point of course, to get them wondering.
But mainly, getting back to the topic, I don't think there's a "zionist" influence so much as what your seeing is the sin of sloth (the worst sin in the world, if there is such a thing as sin), complete, utter laziness to a degree never seen before in our country. A clergy that is only a clergy insofar as they want a soft touch in life and don't want to be put out in any way (Christ and the apostles weren't looking for a soft touch). The worst type of leadership possible. So if there is a zionist influence, it could easily come into the any church with such leadership.
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