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I'm afraid that's the likely scenario.


Wilder-Liakhovich tops August 9 tripleheader

Following Saturday night’s fight card at the Fantasy Springs Resort Casino in Indio, California, Golden Boy Promotions will return to the desert venue on August 9 with a ShoBox tripleheader headlined by unbeaten heavyweight knockout artist Deontay Wilder (28-0, 28 KOs). Wilder will risk his perfect record against former WBO heavyweight titleholder Sergei Liakhovich (25-5, 16 KOs) in a ten-rounder.




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That's Great Black Hope Wilder on the deck, vs. Sconiers.


PS Liakhovich deliberately lost - threw the fight, took a dive - to Shannon Briggs.

Nice Pic Wolf. BTW, remember what I wrote about power? This Wilder guy is no knockout puncher. Those long skinny arms on that tall, skinny body of his are not the mechanisms of power. So far he's been "reaching in", and getting TKOs from volume. He is nothing like Abdulsalamov who can shut out the lights with one click. The big, true heavies with real power will walk through him and blast him out of there.
 
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Nice Pic Wolf. BTW, remember what I wrote about power? This Wilder guy is no knockout puncher. Those long skinny arms on that tall, skinny body of his are not the mechanisms of power. So far he's been "reaching in", and get TKOs from volume. He is nothing like Abdulsalamov who can shut out the lights with one click. The big, true heavies with real power will walk through him and blast him out of there.


I like Abdu. I relate to a big guy who just wades in and knocks people out but otherwise doesn't exactly know what the hell he's doing. Reminds me of me when i was boxing.

I wrote a response to what I consider your mistaken ideas about boxers' physiques, but I may have deleted it, not sure. If I did I could post it again because it's saved on ClipMate (which is the greatest computer accessory).

Anyway, it would be nice if we're both wrong and Lyak. comes in and gives him a boxing lesson.
 

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Lyakhovich has a website:

http://www.whitewolfboxing.com/index.html

Funny, he's got Teddy Roosevelt on his front page, the last US president I think was worth anything, him and JFK, and I'm reading a book about TR right now, his exploration of an unknown river in the Amazon jungle. Also I should be in Scottsdale tomorrow, his place of residence. So now I need to change my prediction. White Wolf beats the Great Black Dope!
 

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Lyakhovich has a website:

http://www.whitewolfboxing.com/index.html

Funny, he's got Teddy Roosevelt on his front page, the last US president I think was worth anything, him and JFK, and I'm reading a book about TR right now, his exploration of an unknown river in the Amazon jungle. Also I should be in Scottsdale tomorrow, his place of residence. So now I need to change my prediction. White Wolf beats the Great Black Dope!

Yes, in the real world Lyakhovich breaks down Wilder by repeated hook attacks to his torso that drape his arms and expose his head to a baseball bat blast that sees him to galaxy 500. But this boxing thing their doing is professional entertainment. If the promoters (and there is no money without them) can make more money keeping this Wilder fraud going they will pay Lyakhovich more to lose than to win. And Lyakhovich needs money more than he needs a "win" on his resume. These things are done all the time. Audley Harrison doesn't even hide it very well. Eventually though, the fraud has to fight someone good that cannot be bought and, though he tries because he believes he is someone special, he loses the match and he loses his ego. The fraud sings:

"I wanna know where my confidence went
One day it all disappeared..."

Oh, and btw, yes, power must come from the bones. Muscle is soft tissue. Bones hurt.
 

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"But this boxing thing their doing is professional entertainment."

You said it, brother. Corrupted boxing is coming more and more to resemble Vince McMahon's WWF wrasslin "sports entertainment".

Plus Lyakhovich has a record of...something.

Did you see his fight against Briggs? If so, do you think he deliberately took a dive at the end? But if he was intentionally planning to lose why was he way ahead on all the cards? Was he just so much better than Briggs that he couldn't help it even though he was trying to lose? I remember how his corner man was literally screaming in his face to stay away from Briggs before the final round, because Briggs has the knockout punch and L was way ahead on the scorecards. So what does he do, he stands there right in front of Briggs with his jaw sticking out like a big target for him!

As for the big boned short armed thing, as far as I can see successful fighters come in all shapes and sizes. They say Marciano had small hands. Fedor Emilianko - who they called the toughest man on the planet - looked chubby. Some are long and tall, some are short and squat, many have long arms, and some look like Michelangelo models, like the K's.
 
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"But this boxing thing their doing is professional entertainment."

You said it, brother. Corrupted boxing is coming more and more to resemble Vince McMahon's WWF wrasslin "sports entertainment".

Plus Lyakhovich has a record of...something.

Did you see his fight against Briggs? If so, do you think he deliberately took a dive at the end? But if he was intentionally planning to lose why was he way ahead on all the cards? Was he just so much better than Briggs that he couldn't help it even though he was trying to lose? I remember how his corner man was literally screaming in his face to stay away from Briggs before the final round, because Briggs has the knockout punch and L was way ahead on the scorecards. So what does he do, he stands there right in front of Briggs with his jaw sticking out like a big target for him!

As for the big boned short armed thing, as far as I can see successful fighters come in all shapes and sizes. They say Marciano had small hands. Fedor Emilianko - who they called the toughest man on the planet - looked chubby. Some are long and tall, some are short and squat, many have long arms, and some look like Michelangelo models, like the K's.

I did see the Briggs/Lyakhovich fight. No, I do not think that fight was fixed. Not all fights are fixed. Lyak. throws a lead right to the body. In that fight it took Briggs 12 rounds to finally time Lyak. leading in low and Briggs countered with an open head shot that dropped Lyak. who couldn't recover. Had Lyak. moved in the final round he would of won.

I never wrote that power alone wins fights. Yes, there are many body types and many styles and many ways to win. I wrote that power comes from the bones and not the physique. Fedor is an excellent example: he was not ripped and muscular, nor is Abdulsalamov, but they both have baseball bat power. Marciano was the same. Where does their power come from? It comes from technique (delivery) and a sturdy, heavy skeleton. Where else could it come from but from the bones?
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpSyecoVbn4

Here's round 12 of the L-Briggs fight. I thought that L was farther ahead on points but they said it was pretty close with L having a small edge. It looks like L was trying - but he was being an idiot - and doing exactly what his trainer was screaming in his face not to do between rounds, that is standing in front of Briggs, and so he got knocked out of the ring with just about two seconds left!

And, uh yeah, bones. Not many invertebrates successfully competing in boxing these days...
 
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I did see the Briggs/Lyakhovich fight. No, I do not think that fight was fixed. Not all fights are fixed. Lyak. throws a lead right to the body. In that fight it took Briggs 12 rounds to finally time Lyak. leading in low and Briggs countered with an open head shot that dropped Lyak. who couldn't recover. Had Lyak. moved in the final round he would of won.

I never wrote that power alone wins fights. Yes, there are many body types and many styles and many ways to win. I wrote that power comes from the bones and not the physique. Fedor is an excellent example: he was not ripped and muscular, nor is Abdulsalamov, but they both have baseball bat power. Marciano was the same. Where does their power come from? It comes from technique (delivery) and a sturdy, heavy skeleton. Where else could it come from but from the bones?
If you look at the 12th round in the final seconds the Wolf is wobbly and ready to go but no blow lands on his body yet he falls through the ropes. Technically the referee should have given him time to get into the ring. Instead he immediately stopped the fight like he was ko'd. Just on this alone the Wolf's camp should have protested the result and got an immediate rematch. As for the Wolf these days he is similar to various former contenders and champions that are shot he may try for a few rounds but if he can't win early look for him to look for a soft place on the canvas when the heat is too strong.
 

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Wilder knocked out Lyakhovich in the first round last night. NO surprise here at all. The fight is on youtube. Check it out.

As predicted, Lyakhovich took the fall to help inflate Wilder's already wildly inflated record. I'm not sure if the KO is real or not, but when Lyakovich falls down his arms are stretched out, raised, and waiving. It could be a real knockout. But it could also be an act. So many "knockouts" are fake it is hard to tell.

I think it is fake. I think Lyakhovich was paid to fall. And I see Wilder getting knocked out when he faces the men with skill and power and that come to fight.
 

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Wilder knocked out Lyakhovich in the first round last night. NO surprise here at all. The fight is on youtube. Check it out.

As predicted, Lyakhovich took the fall to help inflate Wilder's already wildly inflated record. I'm not sure if the KO is real or not, but when Lyakovich falls down his arms are stretched out, raised, and waiving. It could be a real knockout. But it could also be an act. So many "knockouts" are fake it is hard to tell.

I think it is fake. I think Lyakhovich was paid to fall. And I see Wilder getting knocked out when he faces the men with skill and power and that come to fight.

Pathetic! The DWF's are starting to believe in "their man" now. Pulev would destroy this clown. Povetkin can beat him. Adamek as well. If he fights either K brother he's a done deal.
 

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Liakhovich is 2-5 in his last 7 and clearly doesn't have it anymore. I'll never forget his win over Brewster though. He was a good though hardly great fighter even in his prime. Beating the likes of faded Liakhovich and Audley Harrison will build up Wilder but will not get him ready for top 10 fighters. I do hope they sacrifice this clown to one of the Klitschkos. At 224 Wilder is far too small to be a threat for any belt right now. Nor has he faced any adversity in his career so far.
 

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Liakhovich is 2-5 in his last 7 and clearly doesn't have it anymore. I'll never forget his win over Brewster though. He was a good though hardly great fighter even in his prime. Beating the likes of faded Liakhovich and Audley Harrison will build up Wilder but will not get him ready for top 10 fighters. I do hope they sacrifice this clown to one of the Klitschkos. At 224 Wilder is far too small to be a threat for any belt right now. Nor has he faced any adversity in his career so far.
Twenty+ years ago Tommy Morrison was knocking out guys the same way that Widler is now and wasn't ready for Ray Mercer because he didn't know how to pace himself and had never survived a chin check. Wilder is going to have the same issues with a Mercer type in a crossroads fight. In terms of prospects/contenders Fury has fought better opponents that have given harder rounds.
 
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My thoughts on Lyakhovich being KO'd in 1 by Wilder:

From watching boxing my whole life, what Ive learned is that one of the foremost matchmaking principles in boxing is: After a boxer has been knocked out , he is exponentially more likely to be knocked out again, and he is especially vulnerable in his next fight back. Sergei Lyakhovich, Jermain Taylor, Roy Jones Jr, Elvin Ayala, Juanma Lopez are all recent examples of guys who have been knocked out, only to be knocked out brutally again and again and again. It seems these guys just never recovered from their initial knockout losses. Jermain Taylor is a perfect example of a guy who just never recovered after being KO'd by Pavlik. Lyakhovich is also an example of a guy who probably never recovered from his KO loss to Briggs.

The truth is that its hard for any boxer to recover from a knockout loss. It's almost impossible to say, recover from two knockout losses in a row. There have been some exceptions where we've seen boxers come back successfully from KO losses (Manny Pacquiao, Wlad Klitschko, Lennox Lewis being examples) but for the most part its much rarer to see that.

Sergei Lyakhovich entered this fight coming off of two brutal KO losses in a row, and the truth is that whoever is managing Lyakhovich did not have his best interest in mind. Lyakhovich would have been better served to have 3 to 4 tuneup bouts coming into this fight. I'm not saying that Lyakhovich would have beat Wilder, but he certainly would have been more competitive if he had 3 or 4 wins prior to this fight.

As for Wilder, it was stated on Showtime that he only had 35 amateur bouts. That is ridiculous. In some ways it explains his careful matchmaking. It's going to be very hard for Wilder when he encounters someone who takes his punch then gives a few back. Wilder's managers turned down Magomed Abdusalamov for this fight and probably with good reason. I personally suspect Abdusalamov would knock Wilder out.

It seems Wilder is rapidly becoming the "Great Black Hope" for USA at heavyweight and I'll tell you right now, I highly doubt he would ever win a title even once the K Brothers are gone. Wilder certainly hits hard, but you know, so does David Price, and look how that turned out. You need more than just power to be a champion.

Wilder is arguably one of the most protected and carefully matched boxers in boxing right now. His matchmaking is almost like a Circus. At some point though, the training wheels are going to need to be taken off the bike.

Both Klitschko's, Fury, Abdusalamov, Haye, Povetkin, Thompson all beat Wilder in my opinion if I had to put money down.

Chisora, Charr, Helenius, Jennings, Glazkov, Adamek, Pulev are 50-50 type fights in my opinion. Personally I suspect a few of these guys would drag Wilder into the later rounds and perhaps stop Wilder.
 
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Boxrec has moved the supa afflete up to #13 in the world. Can't wait for him to fight a decent opponent and lose.
They are matching him very carefully for some reason.

But it will lead to his downfall eventually, because when he finally does fight a a top heavyweight, he won't be ready.
 

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They are matching him very carefully for some reason.

But it will lead to his downfall eventually, because when he finally does fight a a top heavyweight, he won't be ready.

Still the guy has KO's in every single fight. He beat Lyakhovich who isn't that old at only 37 years old and was once a very good fighter and world champion. The DWF's are saying he can beat Klitschko and he will bring the belt back to America. My ass!
 

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Thread on fightnews.com


Bernie CampbellThis sh.. is all carefully orchestrated! After seeing Liakhovich's complacency with Valuev pitching a shutout, and years later letting Jennings give him a beating, I knew he was on somebody's payroll! I especially enjoyed the theatrics of him going into convulsions after the right by Wilder, and by the way any boxer worth his weight in salt with good balance like Liakhovich had might of withstood that open invitation Wilder is a creation I'm sorry to say, he wasn't that good as an amateur!

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Jerry Moses · Southwest Tennessee Community CollegeYou said it bro Wilder is a creation.He's nothing but an illusion.He's never fought a ranked contender or went over 4 rounds in his entire career and these fools are saying the Klitchkos better pack up and get gone.What a bunch of idiots.And your right he wasn't that good as an amateur,that russian dropped him like a tomato.That's why they won't put him in with anyone who fights back.Yes those theatrics were on par with the wwe.


"I knew he was on somebody's payroll!"

Yep, that's what I was saying after I saw round 12 of the Briggs fight.

"theatrics were on par with the wwe"

Yep, I've been saying that too. Boxing in the USSA and USSK is morphing with Vince McMahon's wrasslin shows.
 

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Bernie CampbellThis sh.. is all carefully orchestrated! After seeing Liakhovich's complacency with Valuev pitching a shutout, and years later letting Jennings give him a beating, I knew he was on somebody's payroll! I especially enjoyed the theatrics of him going into convulsions after the right by Wilder, and by the way any boxer worth his weight in salt with good balance like Liakhovich had might of withstood that open invitation Wilder is a creation I'm sorry to say, he wasn't that good as an amateur!

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Jerry Moses · Southwest Tennessee Community CollegeYou said it bro Wilder is a creation.He's nothing but an illusion.He's never fought a ranked contender or went over 4 rounds in his entire career and these fools are saying the Klitchkos better pack up and get gone.What a bunch of idiots.And your right he wasn't that good as an amateur,that russian dropped him like a tomato.That's why they won't put him in with anyone who fights back.Yes those theatrics were on par with the wwe.


"I knew he was on somebody's payroll!"

Yep, that's what I was saying after I saw round 12 of the Briggs fight.

"theatrics were on par with the wwe"

Yep, I've been saying that too. Boxing in the USSA and USSK is morphing with Vince McMahon's wrasslin shows.

Well, well, Wolf, we agree again. Very good quotes you brought here. And very good. Exactly what I thought before and after the fight.

And don't worry boys. Don't worry at all. This guy is the black Tye Fields. Remember him? It won't be long before Wilder crashes like Fields burned.
 

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I thought the KO was for real. Would Lie-a-KO-bitch overact like that?

If he's acting then the whole thing is hysterical.

Anyone know if they showed it on SportsCenter?
 

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I thought the KO was for real. Would Lie-a-KO-bitch overact like that?

If he's acting then the whole thing is hysterical.

Anyone know if they showed it on SportsCenter?
Plenty of NFL players have done similar crazy movements. This happens when you are out but still awake. I recalled this ko back about 15 years ago on USA cable, it has similar wild movement by the losing fighter.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJLA_e8gOds
 
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Still the guy has KO's in every single fight. He beat Lyakhovich who isn't that old at only 37 years old and was once a very good fighter and world champion. The DWF's are saying he can beat Klitschko and he will bring the belt back to America. My ass!

Wilder clearly hits hard, and in some ways his 29-0, 29 KO record is impressive.

But it's important to understand his level of opposition has been very underwhelming and carefully selected. Wilder's best opponents are Audley Harrison and Sergei Lyakhovich, both of which were way, way, way past their best days of their career and both of which had already suffered many KO losses.

To put it in perspective, David Price, who just like Wilder is an Olympic Bronze Medalist has fought much better opponents than Wilder, and he's done it in only 15 or so fights. Price beat Matt Skelton, a fresher Audley Harrison, and fought an arguable top5 heavyweight in Tony Thompson. Much harder opposition than what Wilder has faced.

Actually, its an interesting contrast in matchmaking if you look at how Wilder and Price have been matched and developed professionally. Wilder has had very easy fights and fought many "tomato cans", whereas David Price was probably rushed a bit and could have used a few more fights before facing Thompson.

At some point though, probably in his next or after next fight, Wilder is going to have to fight a live opponent. Russian heavyweight Magomed Abdusalamov has repeatedly called out Wilder and Wilder's management have consistently rejected the fight. They aren't willing to take that risk right now, or maybe ever. Clearly Wilder's team at the moment is not concerned with fighting the best.

I dont believe Wilder's handlers would ever agree to fight Magomed, so someone like a Dereck Chisora, Bryant Jennings, or a Tomasz Adamek is a more likely opponent. Quite frankly, I would fancy Dereck Chisora to pull an upset and win the fight.

The truth is, I don't even think Wilder will make it to a titleshot VS a Klitschko. I think he will be exposed and knocked out probably before then. Probably in his next 3 fights, I think there is a good chance he is knocked out.

The simple fact of life is that its very difficult for someone to be a champion in boxing with only 35 amateur fights. He doesn't have the experience and mark my words he won't have the defence or boxing ability in a fight past 4 rds either.

Actually, this whole situation reminds me of a Negro named Tyrone Brunson from the USA who had like 20 1st round KO's, 20-0, 20 KO against taxi drivers and then was badly exposed and stopped by the first decent boxer he faced.

Wilder is another Ty Brunson. Maybe marginally better, but Wilder is headed down that exact path as Brunson. Its only a matter of time before he is badly exposed. Talking about Wilder/Klitschko is a joke, I dont think he will make it to a Klitschko.
 

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Wilder clearly hits hard, and in some ways his 29-0, 29 KO record is impressive.

But it's important to understand his level of opposition has been very underwhelming and carefully selected. Wilder's best opponents are Audley Harrison and Sergei Lyakhovich, both of which were way, way, way past their best days of their career and both of which had already suffered many KO losses.

To put it in perspective, David Price, who just like Wilder is an Olympic Bronze Medalist has fought much better opponents than Wilder, and he's done it in only 15 or so fights. Price beat Matt Skelton, a fresher Audley Harrison, and fought an arguable top5 heavyweight in Tony Thompson. Much harder opposition than what Wilder has faced.

Actually, its an interesting contrast in matchmaking if you look at how Wilder and Price have been matched and developed professionally. Wilder has had very easy fights and fought many "tomato cans", whereas David Price was probably rushed a bit and could have used a few more fights before facing Thompson.

At some point though, probably in his next or after next fight, Wilder is going to have to fight a live opponent. Russian heavyweight Magomed Abdusalamov has repeatedly called out Wilder and Wilder's management have consistently rejected the fight. They aren't willing to take that risk right now, or maybe ever. Clearly Wilder's team at the moment is not concerned with fighting the best.

I dont believe Wilder's handlers would ever agree to fight Magomed, so someone like a Dereck Chisora, Bryant Jennings, or a Tomasz Adamek is a more likely opponent. Quite frankly, I would fancy Dereck Chisora to pull an upset and win the fight.

The truth is, I don't even think Wilder will make it to a titleshot VS a Klitschko. I think he will be exposed and knocked out probably before then. Probably in his next 3 fights, I think there is a good chance he is knocked out.

The simple fact of life is that its very difficult for someone to be a champion in boxing with only 35 amateur fights. He doesn't have the experience and mark my words he won't have the defence or boxing ability in a fight past 4 rds either.

Actually, this whole situation reminds me of a Negro named Tyrone Brunson from the USA who had like 20 1st round KO's, 20-0, 20 KO against taxi drivers and then was badly exposed and stopped by the first decent boxer he faced.

Wilder is another Ty Brunson. Maybe marginally better, but Wilder is headed down that exact path as Brunson. Its only a matter of time before he is badly exposed. Talking about Wilder/Klitschko is a joke, I dont think he will make it to a Klitschko.

He could potentially give some of the top fighters problems because of his size. He's nowhere near the talent Adamek is but his huge size advantage would give Adamek problems. I agree he's been fed tomato cans. There is talk out there about Wilder potentially fighting Odlanier Solis, but I doubt he takes that fight. Too risky and I think Solis beats him easily. Remember, Wilder was put on his ass by bum Harold Sconiers.

Isn't Wilder coming into fights at 215lbs? That's extemely thin for a 6'7 heavyweight. I don't know where he gets his power from with his frame.
 
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