Ron Paul - POTUS 2012

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The comments underneath are pretty encouraging.
 

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Current poll shows the '12 vote would be Obongo 42% & Dr.Paul 41%! That's pretty impressive!
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This is exactly why the NeoCONs (like Palin) are trying to infiltrate the Tea Party...to sway folks back to the GOP (& into the PTB's "Left/Right" control mechanism)!

Election 2012: Barack Obama 42%, Ron Paul 41%

Wednesday, April 14, 2010

Pit maverick Republican Congressman Ron Paul against President Obama in a hypothetical 2012 election match-up, and the race is â€" virtually dead even.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of likely voters finds Obama with 42% support and Paul with 41% of the vote. Eleven percent (11%) prefer some other candidate, and six percent (6%) are undecided.

Ask the Political Class, though, and it's a blowout. While 58% of Mainstream voters favor Paul, 95% of the Political Class vote for Obama.

But Republican voters also have decidedly mixed feelings about Paul, who has been an outspoken critic of the party establishment.

Obama earns 79% support from Democrats, but Paul gets just 66% of GOP votes. Voters not affiliated with either major party give Paul a 47% to 28% edge over the president.

Paul, an anti-big government libertarian who engenders unusually strong feelings among his supporters, was an unsuccessful candidate for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008. But he continues to have a solid following, especially in the growing Tea Party movement.

Twenty-four percent (24%) of voters now consider themselves a part of the Tea Party movement, an eight-point increase from a month ago. Another 10% say they are not a part of the movement but have close friends or family members who are.

(Want a free daily e-mail update? If it's in the news, it's in our polls). Rasmussen Reports updates are also available on Twitter or Facebook.

Thirty-nine percent (39%) of all voters have a favorable opinion of Paul, while 30% view him unfavorably. This includes 10% with a very favorable opinion and 12% with a very unfavorable one. But nearly one-out-of-three voters (32%) are not sure what they think of Paul.

Perhaps tellingly, just 42% of Republican voters have a favorable view of him, including eight percent (8%) with a very favorable opinion. By comparison, 42% of unaffiliated voters regard him favorably, with 15% very favorable toward him.

Twenty-six percent (26%) of GOP voters think Paul shares the values of most Republican voters throughout the nation, but 25% disagree. Forty-nine percent (49%) are not sure.

Similarly, 27% of Republicans see Paul as a divisive force in the party, while 30% view him as a new direction for the GOP. Forty-two percent (42%) aren't sure.

Among all voters, 19% say Paul shares the values of most Republican voters, and 27% disagree. Fifty-four percent (54%) are undecided.

Twenty-one percent (21%) of voters nationwide regard Paul as a divisive force in the GOP. Thirty-four percent (34%) say he is representative of a new direction for the party. Forty-five percent (45%) are not sure.

But it's important to note than 75% of Republicans voters believe Republicans in Congress have lost touch with GOP voters throughout the nation over the past several years.

Sarah Palin, the former governor of Alaska and the GOP's vice presidential nominee in 2008, is another Republican who has been bucking the party's traditional leadership and was the keynote speaker at the recent Tea Party convention in Nashville. Fifty-nine percent (59%) of Republican voters say Palin shares the values of most GOP voters throughout the nation. Just 18% of Republicans see Palin as a divisive force within the GOP.

Rasmussen Reports released survey findings yesterday that take a closer look at the political views of those who say they're part of the Tea Party movement. Among other things, 96% of those in the movement think America is overtaxed, and 94% trust the judgment of the American people more than that of America's political leaders.

When it comes to major issues confronting the nation, 48% of voters now say the average Tea Party member is closer to their views than Obama is. Forty-four percent (44%) hold the opposite view and believe the president's views are closer to their own.

Fifty-two percent (52%) believe the average member of the Tea Party movement has a better understanding of the issues facing America today than the average member of Congress. Thirty-five percent (35%) of voters now think Republicans and Democrats are so much alike that an entirely new political party is needed to represent the American people. Nearly half (47%) of voters disagree and say a new party is not needed

If the Tea Party was organized as a political party, 34% of voters would prefer a Democrat in a three-way congressional race. In that hypothetical match-up, the Republican gets 27% of the vote with the Tea Party hopeful in third at 21%. However, if only the Democrat or Republican had a real chance to win, most of the Tea Party supporters would vote for the Republican.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2012/election_2012_barack_obama_42_ron_paul_41

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That last sentence shows there is still a long way to go to get rid of the "lesser of two evils" paradigm, but this is still encouraging news! People are slowly waking up.
 

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The problem is that the GOP establishment will never let Paul win their nomination. Just ask Pat Buchanan. I'm sick of the 2 parties, but I'm afraid too many folks just won't support a 3rd party bid by someone like Ron Paul. I sure hope I'm wrong!
 

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The problem is that the GOP establishment will never let Paul win their nomination.

The Republican leadership will do everything possible to derail Ron Paul. I just listened to Mark Belling's afternoon show. He subs for Limbaugh now and then.He spoke of the direction the Tea Party movement is heading. Being a Clear Channel neo-con through and through he said, "I despise Ron Paul, his constituents and his ideals." I was unloading yard refuse at the dump and it was noisy, but I think I got his words right.
 

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I'm not as optimistic on Paul as you CF folks are. But, he seems sharp and decisive for someone who's turning 75 years old. Compared to John McCain (who is a spineless twit in every manner), Paul looks amazingly fit and healthy for an "old man." The Biggest knock though, will be his AGE. The man's message is best described by this YouTube comment:

Throw OUT Statist NeoCons & Democrats!

STOP Empire Building & Foreign Intervention with 700+ US military bases OCCUPYING almost EVERY nation PRODUCING hatred & jihad resistance!

Trade, NOT bribes/bombs Manipulation OR Isolationism!

STOP Fascist Crony Corporatism, Illegal Immigration & Marxist Redistributionist THEFT.

Return to Constitutionally limited Gov't, Individual Liberty & Responsibility, Sound Money, FREE competition between FREE States & FREE people.
 

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So far Ron Paul is our best bet...he's winning almost evey straw/internet poll....to the consternation of Fox news, the RNC, and neo-con talk radio. whatever happens...it will be fun watching these people squirm!
 

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I love this guy. I wish he were younger but I am behind him all the way if he runs in 2012. Miracles can happen. Young people really like Ron Paul. We need to get more of the middle aged and older people on board of the Ron Paul Express!
 

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I went to my first Tea Party last night and severely disappointed. It was complete GOP Co-opted event. All but one speaker was directly from the GOP. Michelle Bachman, Gil Gutneckt and a litany of other GOP talking point speakers stoled the event. The Constitution party was advertised as part of the event, but when I talked to their booth the guy said no Constitution Party Rep. was allowed to speak at the event. It had all the excitement of a Sunday afternoon picnic.
 

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Bart said:
forty-four said:
The problem is that the GOP establishment will never let Paul win their nomination.

The Republican leadership will do everything possible to derail Ron Paul. I just listened to Mark Belling's afternoon show. He subs for Limbaugh now and then.He spoke of the direction the Tea Party movement is heading. Being a Clear Channel neo-con through and through he said, "I despise Ron Paul, his constituents and his ideals." I was unloading yard refuse at the dump and it was noisy, but I think I got his words right.

Good point Bart. The GOP "leadership" is controlled by the Globalist Elite (just as the DNC "leadership" is). I've never heard of Belling, but he sounds like another ("Faux") NeoCON puppet. No doubt the NeoCON propagandists & their minions of duped sheeple will continue to rail against (Constitutionalist/paleo-conservative) Ron Paul.
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Not all the attendees at the CPAC meeting were happy to see Rumsfeld and Cheney:

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I asked this back in 2008. What do the people on this Forum see in Ron Paul? In case you've forgotten, he ran in 2008 and despite publicity and funding did little. On top of that, he wilted when attacked by The New Republic and "disavowed" what was in his newsletter not too many years earlier.

I've got nothing against him. I'm just not interested in him. Paul's basically just another retread loser like Romney, Huckabee, Ginchrich and company.

As of now, there isn't a credible candidate to oppose Obama in 2012.
 

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forty-four said:
The problem is that the GOP establishment will never let Paul win their nomination. Just ask Pat Buchanan. I'm sick of the 2 parties, but I'm afraid too many folks just won't support a 3rd party bid by someone like Ron Paul. I sure hope I'm wrong!
Bingo! The RNC won't allow him to win the nomination, even though he matches up the best against 0bama. Just like the RNC recently co-opted 22 of the 26 new Tea Party members of Congress so they would vote to extend the Orwellian "Patriot" Act on the second vote (after threatening to withhold re-election funds.)

The RNC and their Corporate media lackeys will savage Paul, although he should be better prepared to handle it this time around. At least there can be no hatchet job by GE/Defense Contractor spokesman/agent and quasi-Cultural Marxist, Tim Russert, although others in the Corporate media will try, pulling out all the stops. Hopefully, the people will be able to see through it this time after all everyone's been through, but I'm not holding my breath. It'd be great to see a Paul/Baldwin ticket, for sure, though.
 

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There is hardly any difference between the GOP and the Democrats, with the former being more dangerous. Because Liberals, will openly spit in your face, easy to detect and avoid, but Neo-Cons, very deceptive. They more than often sound like your friends or allies, they make you feel at ease and comfy, until they just stab you from behind for the sake of their so-called Globalist/NWO masters.

It's a shame that most average Americans aren't aware of either Paul or Baldwin.
 

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sport historian said:
I asked this back in 2008. What do the people on this Forum see in Ron Paul? In case you've forgotten, he ran in 2008 and despite publicity and funding did little. On top of that, he wilted when attacked by The New Republic and "disavowed" what was in his newsletter not too many years earlier.

I've got nothing against him. I'm just not interested in him. Paul's basically just another retread loser like Romney, Huckabee, Ginchrich and company.

As of now, there isn't a credible candidate to oppose Obama in 2012.

sports historian, your points are valid, however, there are some differences this time around. The economic crisis of 2008 has opened up a great deal of eyes in this country, although the sheeple have a long ways to go in that department. But whereas Ron Paul may have sounded like a fringe candidate back then with this opposition to our foreign policy, unconditional support of Israel, the Fed, economic and social policies at home, that is no longer the case. A lot of people agree with him now, far more than back in 2008, and they realize he's been correct all along.

That's why I feel his candidacy this time around should be more formidable. The problem is, the GOP establishment and the neo-con crowd will throw the book at him and do everything in their power to undermine his efforts. He's one of a handful of honest politicans who has not been bought by any special interests and he'll have my 100% support should he decide to run. It's too early, but I like his chances and he has an excellent shot at beating Barack Obama. None of the other candidates on the GOP side stand a chance against him (Obama) in a general election. It's one of the most pathetic lists I have ever seen once you take Ron Paul out. Romney, Suckabee, Gingrich, Pawlenty, Palin, it's a joke.
 

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Paul has the potential to build a much broader and stronger base this time (and don't forget he raised a very impressive $50 million for his '08 presidential campaign and has sinceincreased his donor base to several hundred thousand people). Both monopoly parties support unlimited, unaccountable federal power, the totalitarian police state (one with open borders, which means it's purpose is almost solely to control the American sheeple), and endless war and policing abroad. There is a large group of Americans opposed to this and a whole lot more, not just libertarians but a wide range of people whose views can roughly be called anti-NWO.
Ron Paul gets a lot of respect on shows like Jon Stewart's Daily Show and Bill Maher's Politically Incorrect, unlike conservatives and Republicans. He's been careful not to allow himself to be labeled as racist or anti-Jewish except by the most fanatical anti-White and pro-Semitic extremists, thus he can pull together a coalition that transcends traditional definitions. Which is what's needed from a pragmatic standpoint because the "liberal-conservative," "Republican-Democrat" paradigm became outdated a long time ago, although the system still religiously abides by it because it's to its advantage to keep Americans focused on the trivial differences between the two party establishments rather than on the real issues, such as nationalism vs. globalism and individual liberty vs. an all-powerful central government. Not saying Ron Paulwill pull all this together, but he's the only candidate with national standing who can.Edited by: Don Wassall
 

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The president of the us is a beauty contest to see who most reflects popular cultural marxist sentiment. If a half breed african with the name Hussein and no discernable qualifications for the office can win election easily then I think it's ridiculous to talk about Ron Paul.

Paul's only qualifications for the office is his political views, and those count for nothing. Otherwise he's old, boring, and white. He will never appeal to a large enough base of sheeple to even get a whiff of the office. Good thing for him too, because he'd be dead meat the minute he tried to cut off the tribe's gravy train.
 

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Yeah, it would be great to see Paul go all the way, but, sadly it is a dream. A presidential campaign can be grueling on a 50 yr old, let alone a 70 yr old. One needs great stamina and endurance to go to all the appearances and interviews.

I would rather see his son go for it. Too bad he is just beginning his senatorial career.

Jaxvid is right he is too old. It is going to take a person with some youth and charisma to dislodge the destroyer that is BO. But if the economy still is at or near 9% and the national debt over 16 trillion dollars, Palin can win. I would actively support her if she ran.

People forget, BO had over two years to be tutored on all subjects to project himself as a credible candidate.
 
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Don Wassall said:
Paul has the potential to build a much broader and stronger base this time (and don't forget he raised a very impressive $50 million for his '08 presidential campaign and has since increased his donor base to several hundred thousand people).  Both monopoly parties support unlimited, unaccountable federal power, the totalitarian police state (one with open borders, which means it's purpose is almost solely to control the American sheeple), and endless war and policing abroad.  There is a large group of Americans opposed to this and a whole lot more, not just libertarians but a wide range of people whose views can roughly be called anti-NWO. 
<div>Ron Paul gets a lot of respect on shows like Jon Stewart's Daily Show and Bill Maher's Politically Incorrect, unlike conservatives and Republicans.  He's been careful not to allow himself to be labeled as racist or anti-Jewish except by the most fanatical anti-White and pro-Semitic extremists, thus he can pull together a coalition that transcends traditional definitions.  Which is what's needed from a pragmatic standpoint because the "liberal-conservative," "Republican-Democrat" paradigm became outdated a long time ago, although the system still religiously abides by it because it's to its advantage to keep Americans focused on the trivial differences between the two party establishments rather than on the real issues, such as nationalism vs. globalism and individual liberty vs. an all-powerful central government.  Not saying Ron Paul will pull all this together, but he's the only candidate with national standing who can.</div>

Don,
Thanks for the reply. You raise some good points. Rand Paul impresses me and could be a serious candidate in the near future.
 

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foobar75, I have a question. If Fox News is Faux, what are the other networks? Worse no doubt. If Fox News is Faux is every single respect on every political subject or aspect. America might as well pack in and look to the demise of the country and third world status and just wait for the Chinese along with their Marauding Mongolians to conquer, pledge and rape.

Because the White Sheeple and DWFs will just drift along, worrying about their affelet dominated football teams will be a 500 team or make the playoffs. Tune into their pathetic daily ritual of listening to sports talk on the radio or satellite. Bottom line a huge waste of time, better spent on learning on what is happening to them and the direction of the country.

For the record, I believe they are more truthful than the rest. Nothing against you, foobar75, just a little rant.
 

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foobar75,

Myself, I call everybody in politics today in our country of whatever belief a commie, pinko, liberal, leftist. That's from each end, commie, pinko, leftist, liberals all the way to Nazis and Klansman.

A guy on a website said he thought I was at a Klan meeting from the things I was saying. I told him they won't let in their meeting because they say I'm too extreme. Drives libs nuts.

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