As im sure all of you know...there is a new ROCKY movie coming out...and I must say, I am very exicited. I was a huge ROCKY fan when I was a kid, and those movies are what first started my yearning for white boxers in real life. I must say from the previews that the movie looks pretty awsome. Stallone looks like he is in really good shape, and Tarver is the typical overhyped, overmouthy, black athlete, and ROCKY is the underdog and the good guy, which I think I will enjoy...also...I saw in the movie clip that he had a shirt that said "Dempsey" on it, but Dempsey was Irish and Stallone was Italian, so I guess he is a supporter of white boxers?. I always enjoyed the ROCKY persona, espiecally him being an underdog and what not, and in the preview, they said he had no speed (big suprise) and that he needed to use raw power, I am actually happy thats the direction that they are going, espiecally if he wins. Anyway just wanted to post on one of my favorite childhood movie franchises, and to a true american icon...ROCKY!!!
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I'm a little more comfortable with the Rocky movies now that there are some white champions. During the years the movies were out, I hated them. It was embarassing to me that whites had to make up a fictional champion to look up to and get inspired by because they didn't have a real one.
I had super high hopes for Jerry Quarry, Joe Bugner, Duane Bobick, Gerry Cooney, Gerrie Coetzee and Tommy Morrison among others. I went through a lot of pain.
I had super high hopes for Jerry Quarry, Joe Bugner, Duane Bobick, Gerry Cooney, Gerrie Coetzee and Tommy Morrison among others. I went through a lot of pain.
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Stallone was on Rush a few minutes ago and was talking about why he made the new movie. He said he is saying to American men that they should be men and not be forced out of the public mind and feminized like Hollywood and the media wants to do. A line from the movie is -"It ain't about how hard you hit, its about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward.It was really good to hear." I will try to get a transcript of the interview and post it later on. He said he also wants to show Hollywood that baby-boomers are more than just the angry fathers on most new movies.
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Actually, I just did a little looking and the big fight with Tarver is just an exhibition bout. I read a spoiler for the ending, and although it isn't confirmed yet, Rocky goes the distance. I am going to try to go see the film with my Dad during the Christmas break.
I liked the first Rocky -- based on the Chuck Wepner - Muhammad Ali fight -- where the journeyman Wepner gave Ali all he could handle.
But the fight scenes were not realistic -- no one can take that much punishment -- and by the time Rocky III rolled around it was typical Hollywood silliness.
I remember Eddie Murphy used to have a routine about how whites would watch Rocky movies and then think they can fight blacks. I guess he is not laughing now. Maybe some white comic can start making jokes about Shannon Briggs and blacks thinking they can beat white heavyweights now.
Freedom -- remember that Morrison and Coetzee did capture heavyweight titles (they just didn't hold them for very long).
But the fight scenes were not realistic -- no one can take that much punishment -- and by the time Rocky III rolled around it was typical Hollywood silliness.
I remember Eddie Murphy used to have a routine about how whites would watch Rocky movies and then think they can fight blacks. I guess he is not laughing now. Maybe some white comic can start making jokes about Shannon Briggs and blacks thinking they can beat white heavyweights now.
Freedom -- remember that Morrison and Coetzee did capture heavyweight titles (they just didn't hold them for very long).
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Exactly. I can remember feeling the same embarassment. At time, the most significent B/W heavy matchup had been the 38 second Bobick-Norton disaster. Jerry Quarry had retired after a career of losing all his biggest fights.
The were no promising white heavyweights on the horizon.
The basic story was underdog makes good, but the racial undertones were easy pickin's for black comedians.
Later on, though, Stallone turned prophet with his Ivan Drago character.
Yeah, you really had to understand the time. It almost didn't seem possible that there could be a white warrior we could look up to. I felt Stallone was exploiting that to a certain extent to make money, and it pissed me off that whites bought into it. I mean when the Russians launched the first Sputnik, the Americans got off their asses and beat them to the moon. They didn't make some phony movie about Americans beating Russians, they really did it.
Now it's totally different. Not only do we have this whole crop of Eastern European killing machines in boxing, we have all the mixed martial arts stars to inspire us.
Now it's totally different. Not only do we have this whole crop of Eastern European killing machines in boxing, we have all the mixed martial arts stars to inspire us.
There was Cooney losing to Holmes when he should've won. There was Coetzee beating the living sh't out of Mike Weaver for 13 rounds then getting shocked. Weaver said the right he hit Coetzee was so hard he could feel it in his toes. Then, later on, there was Tommy Morrison walking all over Ray Mercer, then tiring out, and well, you know what happened.
It's sad. Bobick was 48-4. He beat Teofilio Stevenson and Larry Holmes as an amateur, yet his whole life is defined by that fight with Norton. That fight was televised on national TV. I remember sitting down to watch it with high hopes for Bobick. With his string of victories, it seemed as though he had gotten past his olympics loss. Then, it was over, just like that. Geez, I think it psychologically damaged me. Thanx for listening guys.
It's sad. Bobick was 48-4. He beat Teofilio Stevenson and Larry Holmes as an amateur, yet his whole life is defined by that fight with Norton. That fight was televised on national TV. I remember sitting down to watch it with high hopes for Bobick. With his string of victories, it seemed as though he had gotten past his olympics loss. Then, it was over, just like that. Geez, I think it psychologically damaged me. Thanx for listening guys.
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That fight was even a quote from Rounders, where Kinish said to Mike Mcdermott "you look like Bobick after the Norton fight".Edited by: white is rightfreedom1 said:
Except the Klitchko wins aren't really that big. Who's watching now? Boxing has been going downhill since all the fights went to PPV and HBO and no one really cares about it anymore. I think the last fighters that people knew about were Lennox Lewis and Oscar DeLaHoya. Otherwise, boxers just don't have the same status as NBA and NFL players anymore.
Once whites took boxing, people stopped watching.Edited by: Freedom
Once whites took boxing, people stopped watching.Edited by: Freedom
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I disagree. Boxing viewership has been going down steadily for years. Don King and crew are killing boxing. They refuse to match up the best fighters against one another, they link promotion rights to all the belts, and charge $40 to watch old, washed up has-beens fight. There may be some contingent of viewers that are not watching boxing because white men own the heavyweight division, but I think most people have just been turned off to boxing in general.
Why watch boxing when you can watch the UFC anyway - for free, or for about the same price with more undercard fights and genuine main events?
Edited by: White Shogun
Why watch boxing when you can watch the UFC anyway - for free, or for about the same price with more undercard fights and genuine main events?
Edited by: White Shogun
That's true too. A lot of boxing's popularity has been lost to the UFC. There hasn't been an undisputed heavyweight champ since when?
I think guys like Jim Rome really hate white boxers though.
Anyways, I think good boxers can thrive in the UFC and my one complaint with the UFC is that fighters don't punch enough when the other fighters hands are down. Edited by: Freedom
I think guys like Jim Rome really hate white boxers though.
Anyways, I think good boxers can thrive in the UFC and my one complaint with the UFC is that fighters don't punch enough when the other fighters hands are down. Edited by: Freedom
PPV has turned off a lot of potential fans, especially younger ones. I can remember watching championship fights on network TV when I was a kid and becoming a fan at a very young age.
What kid has fifty bucks to buy a PPV? Not many. Boxing has been selling out its future.
What kid has fifty bucks to buy a PPV? Not many. Boxing has been selling out its future.
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Don King and to a lesser extent Bob Arum played games with the tv executives and drove boxing off of network tv. When King had Tyson (who was built up on ABC and to a lesser extent on ESPN)the ills of boxing's veiwership was disguised because Tyson was a hot commodity. When less charasmatic figures fought for the title all of the viewership woes of boxing have started to be exposed. I have a joke that the two biggest fans of boxing are an old jewish guy who wears cardigans when the temperature dips below 70 degrees and a Mexican immigrant worker who works for minimum wage. Those aren't the best of demorgraphics........White Shogun said:
The Russians have a toughness that the west has not seen since the Irish and Italian fighters of decades ago.I watched the Ali fights on ESPN some nights ago-he fought Henry Cooper[ Ali got knocked down]Sonny Banks[Ali got knocked down] and Billy Daniels [ Ali was losing the fight].Ali should be very thankful there was an iron curtain to protect his skinny butt [196lbs] from men like Vitali,Wlad and Povetkin,which the Russians can turn out now and in the 1960's.
Ali never fought a real big man-Foreman was 220,Liston 218,Bugner was 230,Chuvalo was 221.Many were less then 210 and some around 195.Cooper was only 186.Buster Mathis was 256 but did you ever see Mathis? He was a big fat slob. Ali was 6'3 224 prime now do you really think this skinny weakling could beat Vitali at 6'8 250 in prime condition?Your asking an American draft dodger to beat a skilled Soviet officer in combat?
Vitali by TKO within 10 rounds!!Edited by: Gary
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I saw the movie today. Not great, but very good, and worth seeing. Rocky is a widower as Adrian has died of cancer a few years earlier. Rocky is running a restaurant, and telling the patrons stories from his boxing career. His son is staying away from him.
Rocky meets a woman he had encountered 30 years before when she was a young girl. Now, she is a single mother with a son by a Jamaican. Rocky's restaurant serves Italian food cooked by Mexicans. Rocky gives the woman a job and takes an interest in her son, as he is trying to build a relationship with his own son.
The heavyweight champion is a young black man named Mason "The Line" Dixon. Dixon has a lot of talent, but has never met an opponent who could give him a tough fight. The black champion is a generally sympathetic character, with some arrogance, but not over the top. The heavyweight division is supposed to be extremely weak.
Rocky is very aimless and bored as the film starts, so he gets the idea of renewing his boxing liscence at age 60. Meanwhile Dixon's manager has the idea of an exhibition between his champion and Rocky Balboa. It becomes a pay per view extravaganza in Las Vegas. Ring announcers, sportswriters, Merchant, and Lampley play themselves.
I won't tell you how it turns out. You can probably guess. It is the best Rocky film since Rocky II.
A final thought. In a way, the fact that white heavyweights are regularly beating black fighters may make Rocky more credible than it used to be. Just my own opinion.
Rocky meets a woman he had encountered 30 years before when she was a young girl. Now, she is a single mother with a son by a Jamaican. Rocky's restaurant serves Italian food cooked by Mexicans. Rocky gives the woman a job and takes an interest in her son, as he is trying to build a relationship with his own son.
The heavyweight champion is a young black man named Mason "The Line" Dixon. Dixon has a lot of talent, but has never met an opponent who could give him a tough fight. The black champion is a generally sympathetic character, with some arrogance, but not over the top. The heavyweight division is supposed to be extremely weak.
Rocky is very aimless and bored as the film starts, so he gets the idea of renewing his boxing liscence at age 60. Meanwhile Dixon's manager has the idea of an exhibition between his champion and Rocky Balboa. It becomes a pay per view extravaganza in Las Vegas. Ring announcers, sportswriters, Merchant, and Lampley play themselves.
I won't tell you how it turns out. You can probably guess. It is the best Rocky film since Rocky II.
A final thought. In a way, the fact that white heavyweights are regularly beating black fighters may make Rocky more credible than it used to be. Just my own opinion.
This was on the New Nation website. I know a lot of people here will disagree with a lot of it, but will still find it interesting:
Rocky, I caught your fight with that pug Mason Dixon the other night. You should have won that fight, man. Ain't you been reading my fight tips? Look, you don't fight a black guy the way you fight a white guy. And, that's what youse was doin'.
You gotta fight gene smart, man. Tailor yourself to the opponent. Fight your strengths and his weaknesses. Don't buy that blender crap that all people are the same except for different color paint jobs. We're all different, man. Maybe the problem is that you've bought into this we're all the same crap. Hey, how many times I gotta say it--It ain't so, man. One wrong idea like that can screw up your head so bad you'll never figure out why you win or lose fights. Let me set you straight, Champ. We're all different and we all have different strengths and weaknesses. Nature gifts you in one department but has to short you out in another in order for it to all fit in one package.
Let me explain the facts of real life to you, so you'll be ready when you fight this guy again, and I know you'll do that 'cause the purse is gonna be too big and the pressure will be too great to not fight him again. See, you almost won the first fight, man, and if I had been training you, you would have won it. You probably would have knocked Dixon out before the 5th round. Anyway, a rematch will rake in millions and millions of bucks, especially if it's a sanctioned championship fight. Hell, the money just from the geezers in the old folks homes will make you a rich man. Maybe then, you can hire some real Italians to cook in your joint. Paulie got it right, Champ, it just don't seem right that you got Mexicans cookin' your Italian food. They don't know from no pasta, Champ.
Listen to me and do what I tell you and you could be the oldest heavyweight champ in history.
First, your trainer was right. You're too old to try to out speed Dixon. Even when youse was younger you couldn't have done that. Blacks generally have faster hands and feet than whites. That's one of their strengths.
You gotta be a little more like the real Rocky--Rocky Marciano--and, yeah, I was a kid, but I was there in Brockton when Rocky came back and there was a big parade for the guy. You know what, I seen him up close. He wasn't a very big guy and his arms was short. Looked like your butcher or a guy from the docks. So, how come he was the only unbeaten heavyweight champ? I'll tell youse why. He fought using his strengths. He got inside and beat the hell out of his bigger and faster opponents with his piston like arms. And, yeah, he had the killer instinct, but you got that, too.
One guy who fought Rocky said the Brockton Blockbuster hit him in the arm so hard that the guy's arm was no good for most of the rest of the fight. You gotta get that kinda strength in your punches.
Anyway, I'm getting distracted.
Here's what you did wrong in your fight with Dixon. First, you threw too many right crosses at the guy's jaw. That'll work with white fighters 'cause whites don't usually have strong jaws, but with blacks that's usually a mistake.
What you shoulda been doin' is throwin' left and right hooks depending on which way the guy was circling you. If he was circling to your left, then you shoulda hit him with left hooks. If he was going to your right, then you should have hit him with right hooks. Let him run into your hooks, Champ. Hooks are hard to see comin' from the side like that and it uses one black weakness and one black strength against them.
Look, man, here's what I mean. Blacks have weak necks--or really the veins and nerves inside the neck--and can be hurt with blows to the side of the neck behind the jaw. Whites got glass jaws, but blacks got glass necks.
Hit 'em in the neck just right and they'll crumble like a wet rag. See, black necks are so vulnerable that most cops can't use no choke holds to restrain blacks no more. Too many of them was dying from a little pressure on the neck that wouldn't bother whites. Couple those hooks with the black's speed as he moves to his left or right, and he'll run right into your hooks. Your hooks aimed at his neck along with his natural speed in moving in that direction will increase the force of your hooks. He'll knock himself out, man.
The other thing you did wrong was that you kept punching Dixon in the gut. Now that looks good in movies, but it's the wrong area to hit for a well conditioned black fighter. You won't do that much damage and you'll punch yourself out. Too little bang for the buck. You should have been hitting Dixon in the chest near the heart. That's another weak spot among blacks. At your age, you have to make every punch count.
The third thing you did wrong was to let Dixon get too many shots to your face. See, white people have blood vessels near the surface and their skin is thin. This is an evolutionary thing to let us take in more sunlight to produce Vitamin D, in the places where we are the indigenous people--especially northern Europe. Blacks have thicker, darker skin and blood vessels not so near the surface 'cause in Africa if they had developed skin like us, they'd take in too much sunlight. The result of these two evolutionary paths is that we cut and bleed easier than blacks. So, you gotta protect your face. You gotta put your hands up high and keep them there. Let him hit your gloves, they don't bleed.
You don't want the fight stopped because you're bleedin' all over the place. Now, when we bleed it often looks worse than it is, so the ref--especially if he's black and is used to seeing how blacks bleed--will wrongly conclude that you're hurt real bad if you bleed a lot because a black would be hurt bad if he bled as much.
Also, it's easier to knock whites out by hitting us on the point of the chin than it is with blacks and if you let Dixon keep hittin' you in the face, he may hit the nerves in your chin and knock you out.
Also, as I already said, you kept throwing right crosses at Dixon. Now a right cross is called the knockout punch, but it got that name back before there were many blacks in boxing. Hit whites on the point of the chin just right and you've got a good chance of dropping them. Hit blacks there, and they may just look at you and ask for more. See, that can also be unnerving and make you lose confidence if you throw your haymaker and the guy just smiles at you.
Not following this, Champ? Look, let me put it this way. Whites have weak chins and blacks have weak necks. A right cross hits black where they're strong but a hook hits them where they're weak. They got their armor on the chin, Champ, not on the neck.
And, I don't mean no disrespect, Champ, but I know you may not be getting all this down, so let me put it together a little for you. First, when you fight Dixon again, get him to drop his hands by hitting him in the chest area--not the stomach. Then, when he drops his hands, go upstairs with an immediate left or right hook. Now, you're slow and lumbering, so you're not going to have time to think about this in the fight. You gotta train so that it's automatic. Chest, chest, boom--left or right cross. Chest, chest, boom-- left or right cross. See, it's like a song. It's got rhythm.
Also, you gotta take the time to watch fight films of Dixon. Because of your age, you'll tire yourself out if you try to figure out his strategy while you're in the ring. You gotta know it goin' in. He ain't gonna change it much, Champ. Count on it. He'll fight the same way he always fights. And, you'll get him.
You seen that white Wladimir Klitschko fight against black Ray Austin in Germany, Champ? You see that knockout punch thrown by Klitschko? It was a left hook. In fact, Klitschko used the left hook through most of the fight. Now, if Klitschko fights a good white fighter, that left hook ain't gonna help him that much. He'll have to go back to a right cross to knock out the white fighter.
Maybe Klitschko's been readin' my fight tips, Champ. Or, maybe he figured it out all by himself.
Fight the genes Champ, fight the genes.
Rocky, I caught your fight with that pug Mason Dixon the other night. You should have won that fight, man. Ain't you been reading my fight tips? Look, you don't fight a black guy the way you fight a white guy. And, that's what youse was doin'.
You gotta fight gene smart, man. Tailor yourself to the opponent. Fight your strengths and his weaknesses. Don't buy that blender crap that all people are the same except for different color paint jobs. We're all different, man. Maybe the problem is that you've bought into this we're all the same crap. Hey, how many times I gotta say it--It ain't so, man. One wrong idea like that can screw up your head so bad you'll never figure out why you win or lose fights. Let me set you straight, Champ. We're all different and we all have different strengths and weaknesses. Nature gifts you in one department but has to short you out in another in order for it to all fit in one package.
Let me explain the facts of real life to you, so you'll be ready when you fight this guy again, and I know you'll do that 'cause the purse is gonna be too big and the pressure will be too great to not fight him again. See, you almost won the first fight, man, and if I had been training you, you would have won it. You probably would have knocked Dixon out before the 5th round. Anyway, a rematch will rake in millions and millions of bucks, especially if it's a sanctioned championship fight. Hell, the money just from the geezers in the old folks homes will make you a rich man. Maybe then, you can hire some real Italians to cook in your joint. Paulie got it right, Champ, it just don't seem right that you got Mexicans cookin' your Italian food. They don't know from no pasta, Champ.
Listen to me and do what I tell you and you could be the oldest heavyweight champ in history.
First, your trainer was right. You're too old to try to out speed Dixon. Even when youse was younger you couldn't have done that. Blacks generally have faster hands and feet than whites. That's one of their strengths.
You gotta be a little more like the real Rocky--Rocky Marciano--and, yeah, I was a kid, but I was there in Brockton when Rocky came back and there was a big parade for the guy. You know what, I seen him up close. He wasn't a very big guy and his arms was short. Looked like your butcher or a guy from the docks. So, how come he was the only unbeaten heavyweight champ? I'll tell youse why. He fought using his strengths. He got inside and beat the hell out of his bigger and faster opponents with his piston like arms. And, yeah, he had the killer instinct, but you got that, too.
One guy who fought Rocky said the Brockton Blockbuster hit him in the arm so hard that the guy's arm was no good for most of the rest of the fight. You gotta get that kinda strength in your punches.
Anyway, I'm getting distracted.
Here's what you did wrong in your fight with Dixon. First, you threw too many right crosses at the guy's jaw. That'll work with white fighters 'cause whites don't usually have strong jaws, but with blacks that's usually a mistake.
What you shoulda been doin' is throwin' left and right hooks depending on which way the guy was circling you. If he was circling to your left, then you shoulda hit him with left hooks. If he was going to your right, then you should have hit him with right hooks. Let him run into your hooks, Champ. Hooks are hard to see comin' from the side like that and it uses one black weakness and one black strength against them.
Look, man, here's what I mean. Blacks have weak necks--or really the veins and nerves inside the neck--and can be hurt with blows to the side of the neck behind the jaw. Whites got glass jaws, but blacks got glass necks.
Hit 'em in the neck just right and they'll crumble like a wet rag. See, black necks are so vulnerable that most cops can't use no choke holds to restrain blacks no more. Too many of them was dying from a little pressure on the neck that wouldn't bother whites. Couple those hooks with the black's speed as he moves to his left or right, and he'll run right into your hooks. Your hooks aimed at his neck along with his natural speed in moving in that direction will increase the force of your hooks. He'll knock himself out, man.
The other thing you did wrong was that you kept punching Dixon in the gut. Now that looks good in movies, but it's the wrong area to hit for a well conditioned black fighter. You won't do that much damage and you'll punch yourself out. Too little bang for the buck. You should have been hitting Dixon in the chest near the heart. That's another weak spot among blacks. At your age, you have to make every punch count.
The third thing you did wrong was to let Dixon get too many shots to your face. See, white people have blood vessels near the surface and their skin is thin. This is an evolutionary thing to let us take in more sunlight to produce Vitamin D, in the places where we are the indigenous people--especially northern Europe. Blacks have thicker, darker skin and blood vessels not so near the surface 'cause in Africa if they had developed skin like us, they'd take in too much sunlight. The result of these two evolutionary paths is that we cut and bleed easier than blacks. So, you gotta protect your face. You gotta put your hands up high and keep them there. Let him hit your gloves, they don't bleed.
You don't want the fight stopped because you're bleedin' all over the place. Now, when we bleed it often looks worse than it is, so the ref--especially if he's black and is used to seeing how blacks bleed--will wrongly conclude that you're hurt real bad if you bleed a lot because a black would be hurt bad if he bled as much.
Also, it's easier to knock whites out by hitting us on the point of the chin than it is with blacks and if you let Dixon keep hittin' you in the face, he may hit the nerves in your chin and knock you out.
Also, as I already said, you kept throwing right crosses at Dixon. Now a right cross is called the knockout punch, but it got that name back before there were many blacks in boxing. Hit whites on the point of the chin just right and you've got a good chance of dropping them. Hit blacks there, and they may just look at you and ask for more. See, that can also be unnerving and make you lose confidence if you throw your haymaker and the guy just smiles at you.
Not following this, Champ? Look, let me put it this way. Whites have weak chins and blacks have weak necks. A right cross hits black where they're strong but a hook hits them where they're weak. They got their armor on the chin, Champ, not on the neck.
And, I don't mean no disrespect, Champ, but I know you may not be getting all this down, so let me put it together a little for you. First, when you fight Dixon again, get him to drop his hands by hitting him in the chest area--not the stomach. Then, when he drops his hands, go upstairs with an immediate left or right hook. Now, you're slow and lumbering, so you're not going to have time to think about this in the fight. You gotta train so that it's automatic. Chest, chest, boom--left or right cross. Chest, chest, boom-- left or right cross. See, it's like a song. It's got rhythm.
Also, you gotta take the time to watch fight films of Dixon. Because of your age, you'll tire yourself out if you try to figure out his strategy while you're in the ring. You gotta know it goin' in. He ain't gonna change it much, Champ. Count on it. He'll fight the same way he always fights. And, you'll get him.
You seen that white Wladimir Klitschko fight against black Ray Austin in Germany, Champ? You see that knockout punch thrown by Klitschko? It was a left hook. In fact, Klitschko used the left hook through most of the fight. Now, if Klitschko fights a good white fighter, that left hook ain't gonna help him that much. He'll have to go back to a right cross to knock out the white fighter.
Maybe Klitschko's been readin' my fight tips, Champ. Or, maybe he figured it out all by himself.
Fight the genes Champ, fight the genes.
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Who wrote that?
Pretty dumb article. Punch to the chest?! WTF? When was the last time a guy was hurt by a punch to the chest? Never heard of it. And it was riddled with inaccuracies. White guys don't have weaker chins they have thinner skulls, big difference. Body shots are usually very effective against black fighters with their thinner midsections, the article was all wrong about that. Using hooks to hurt an opponant is always a good strategy because a good hook avoids being partially blocked. There have been plenty of white fighters that were tough to knock out, just as tough as black fighters. About the only thing the writer got right is that white skin cuts easier and bleeds more. However watching the last few Klitschko fights it appears black fighters can bleed too!