Riots in Wisconsin?

[FootballDad]

You're right, Kaptain. The government isn't big enough, and we don't pay enough in taxes.

I answered you in detail and all you did was come back at me like a little troll? That all you got?

That was all I had time for, as I was off to Cub Scouts (voluntary organization without the benefit of public sector unions), and it was an apt summary of virtually all of your posts in this thread, since you don't offer an alternative to the taxpayers, who are on the hook for the largess of PSUs.


I did a look around trying to find positions of the conservatives that you listed in a response to Westside, Paul Craig Roberts, David Duke, Gerald Celente, and Max Keiser, and couldn't find a definitive article of support for public sector unions. I found support for private sector unions, similar to what Don Wassall has posted here, but not for PSUs.

In Wisconsin, it turns out that collective bargaining is one of the ways that the Teacher's Union is stealing from the taxpayers. A union-mandated high-cost health plan that is owned by the union is milking the taxpayers by charging premiums that far exceed market norms, and are doing so with impunity.

This is why collective bargaining for benefits and insurance (NOT WAGES)should betaken off the table for WI Public Sector Unions. Thelucrative and monstrously expensive health insurance enjoyed by 64% of WI's public school district employees is paid for by the taxpayer as a direct result of Union "Collective Bargaining". In addition, the health care carrier, which is required be subjected to collective bargaining, is owned by the PSU!

WEA Trust has grown very fat on public school dollars, with a net worth of $316 million and a team of 12 administrators all receiving compensation packages worth six figures per year.Of course, everyone associated with Kaptain's union are allaltruistic peasants. Perhaps they should move to Wisconsin.

The Union forms a trust and becomes an insurance carrier (which isn't all that unusual for larger unions to underwrite their insurance, just particularly odious when it's a PSU, not subject to market forces), writes the most awesome insurance policy that money can buy, chargestaxpayers a pretty penny for it, has it legislated that 'collective bargaining includes insurance carrier identity,' and has their Union members demand that their own health insurance company be the provider with their Collective Bargaining Power.

Take a look at this report by the MacIver Institute (NOT the MacIverstein Institute!) in regards to the WEA Trust. Of course my favorite snippet is in regards to the companies that the Union (trust)invests in:

At the end of 2008, WEA Trust reported total assets of $674,131,940. It's reported net assets
(total assets minus liabilities) were $316,837,155, a 15.1 percent increase from 2007. (11)
The company's financial portfolio would make any Wall Street capitalist proud. According to
federal records it owns stock in several large, well known corporations that are traditionally
hated by the labor movement, including Halliburton (Dick Cheney's former company),
News Corp. (owner of Fox News Channel), Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (which unions despise due to
supposedly unfair employee compensation) and Goldman-Sachs. (12)


.....Including Goldman-Sachs, who Kaptain alleges that I must be a shill for if I oppose PSUs (!). Thanks Kaptain, no tinfoil hat needed.
* hat tip to WolfsCompass...

 

[FootballDad]

Something else I found while trolling around the internet. Kaptain has made a big deal of the efforts to "diversify" the teaching corps with all sorts of minorities, which is indeed, a big concern for those interested in the preservation of the white race, and holds up the Unions as a barrier of some sort to this. I hope that you understand that the unions all support race mixing even going back to their beginnings. Watch this 1946 pro race mixing propaganda film and see who produced it. The film was sponsored by the labor union UAW-CIO and based on a pamphlet written by two evident Jews.

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[Westside]

The "Group" wasted no time after WW 2 to start the systemic and constant drum beat of CMism. Now, it up to Whites to WTF up and ensure the Constitution survives and to vote out Dems and Repubs who don't protect it or undermine White people with impunity. And yes, the bottom feeders of PSUs are rightly concerned with feeding their family and living a comfortable life at the expense of the taxpayer in the private sector, but are blind to the big game being played or frankly could give a rat's ass, as long as I get mind, mind set.

Next week in WIS is huge in turning the tide for We The People, instead of PSUs for 98 percent of democratics, our second greatest villian as far as 'Groups" go.

 

[FootballDad]

Here's part II of the above video, for your enjoyment. The unions are all sunshine and light. "The different ways people behave do not come from their ancestors, it comes from something called cultural experience"

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[Bart]

Something else I found while trolling around the internet.  Kaptain has made a big deal of the efforts to "diversify" the teaching corps with all sorts of minorities, which is indeed, a big concern for those interested in the preservation of the white race, and holds up the Unions as a barrier of some sort to this.  I hope that you understand that the unions all support race mixing even going back to their beginnings.

Very interesting line from the video.

"It's only color and a few other frills which distinguish the three races."

Yeah, just a few other -- frills. Boy, they sure pulled the wool over our eyes.

 

[Kaptain]

In Wisconsin, it turns out that collective bargaining is one of the ways that the Teacher's Union is stealing from the taxpayers.  A union-mandated high-cost health plan that is owned by the union is milking the taxpayers by charging premiums that far exceed market norms, and are doing so with impunity.

This is why collective bargaining for benefits and insurance (NOT WAGES) should be taken off the table for WI Public Sector Unions.  The lucrative and monstrously expensive health insurance enjoyed by 64% of WI's public school district employees is paid for by the taxpayer as a direct result of Union "Collective Bargaining".  In addition, the health care carrier, which is required be subjected to collective bargaining, is owned by the PSU!</div>
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<div>WEA Trust has grown very fat on public school dollars, with a net worth of $316 million and a team of 12 administrators all receiving compensation packages worth six figures per year.  Of course, everyone associated with Kaptain's union are all altruistic peasants.  Perhaps they should move to Wisconsin.</div>

The non-profit Trust is not Union-mandated as evidenced by the fact that only 64% of individual districts opted for the WEA Trust. It's negotiated as deferred compensation. In other words, if cheaper (usually worse coverage) healthcare was chosen by a district then that district would most likely recieve an increase in salary for the reduction in benefits by their own choice.

Healthcare Trusts are not unusual for groups of professionals in the public or private sector. Trusts are very common because they are usually cheaper and more reliable per the services recieved. The WEA Trust is non-profit although they do have to pay some professionals to manage a multi-million dollar organization. The fact that they pay only 12 people "total compensation" in 6 figures is extremely cheap. What do you suppose a private healthcare company would pay its top employees? Oh, that's right, private healthcare companies are good because they support the Republican Party - sorry I forgot. Private healthcare companies would laugh at only 6 figures.

 

[Kaptain]

Something else I found while trolling around the internet.  Kaptain has made a big deal of the efforts to "diversify" the teaching corps with all sorts of minorities, which is indeed, a big concern for those interested in the preservation of the white race, and holds up the Unions as a barrier of some sort to this.  I hope that you understand that the unions all support race mixing even going back to their beginnings. Watch this 1946 pro race mixing propaganda film and see who produced it.  The film was sponsored by the labor union UAW-CIO and based on a pamphlet written by two evident Jews.
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A 1946 clip funded by a PRIVATE sector union? Check the fluoride level in your drinking water.

BTW, do large corporations support race-mixing? Illegal immigration? Diversity? Or is it just private sector unions from 1946?

 

[FootballDad]

Oh, that's right, private healthcare companies are good because they support the Republican Party - sorry I forgot. Private healthcare companies would laugh at only 6 figures.

In a sane world government would fund neither PSU health organizations or "private" healthcare companies. And why would I care if private healthcare supports the Republican party? I'm not a Republican.

 

[FootballDad]

A 1946 clip funded by a PRIVATE sector union? Check the fluoride level in your drinking water.

BTW, do large corporations support race-mixing? Illegal immigration? Diversity? Or is it just private sector unions from 1946?

Since in your previous posts, you essentially declared all unions are more or less the same, the clip is appropriate for the thread. So now in light of this you think private sector unions are bad and only PSUs are good?


And yes, globalists that are in charge of many large corporations are by definition supporters of race-mixing. Why do you bring this up? Are you insinuating that since I'm against PSUs, as they are currently held sacrosanct by the law, I must automatically be a globalist shill in favor of crony capitalism, worshipping at the feet of Goldman Sachs? Your insults are tiring and petty.

 

[Bart]

In Wisconsin, it turns out that collective bargaining is one of the ways that the Teacher's Union is stealing from the taxpayers.  A union-mandated high-cost health plan that is owned by the union is milking the taxpayers by charging premiums that far exceed market norms, and are doing so with impunity.

<div>This is why collective bargaining for benefits and insurance (NOT WAGES) should be taken off the table for WI Public Sector Unions.  The lucrative and monstrously expensive health insurance enjoyed by 64% of WI's public school district employees is paid for by the taxpayer as a direct result of Union "Collective Bargaining".  In addition, the health care carrier, which is required be subjected to collective bargaining, is owned by the PSU

This has been a hot topic of discussion on all the talk shows. Walker says there are other carriers which would provide the exact same coverage as WEA Trust, whch would save taxpayers upwards of $68 million per year!

Why should the rest of us be gouged?

Guess what happens when the Trust suffers setbacks due to market downturns?Taxpayers are required to pony up the difference.

Collective bargaining agreements mandate an increase of their pension funds every single year.

Those of us in the private sector saw our pension funds devastated by market crashes approximately 10 years ago and then again 2-3 years ago.

Who bails us out??

Charlie Sykes discusses these and many other issues related to the fiasco in Madison. If people want to know what is happening they should listen to his show and check his archives.

His blog is very informative.

http://www.620wtmj.com/shows/charliesykes

Just one of many items.

A Year's Worth of Pay for 30 Days of Work

Under the Green Bay School District's collectively bargained Emeritus Program, teaches can retire and receive a year's worth of salary for working only 30 days over a three year period. This is paid in addition to their already guaranteed pension and health care payouts.


At the average annual salary for a Green Bay teacher of $51,355, this amounts to a daily rate of pay of $1,711.83, or an hourly rate of $213.98. Since most retiring teachers receive higher than average salary, these amounts are, in practice, much higher.

And another.

Almost $10,000 Per Year for Doing Nothing

While the Green Bay Emeritus Program actually requires teachers to at least show up for work, the Madison Emeritus Program doesn't even require that. In addition to their pension payouts, retired Madison public school teachers receive annual payments of at least $9,884.18 per year for enrolling in the Emeritus Program, which requires ZERO days of work.

When this program began, 20 days of work per year were required. Through collective bargaining, the union successfully negotiated this down to zero days.

 

[Westside]

Scott Walker, in the words of Sheen...Duh,WINNING!

Finally, the PSUs are shown they don't run the show. I am for anything and anyone, in closing the ring around this group's power and cutting off the cash flow to the Democrats and the Repubs who hurt the constitution, hurt Whites and cause government to go into the red.

3/9/2011 will go down as a historic day in giving the government back to the people. If Walker gets that state back in black and establishes a surplus, the political world is his. WINNING!

 

[Kaptain]

Oh, that's right, private healthcare companies are good because they support the Republican Party - sorry I forgot. Private healthcare companies would laugh at only 6 figures.

In a sane world government would fund neither PSU health organizations or "private" healthcare companies.  And why would I care if private healthcare supports the Republican party?  I'm not a Republican.

Then will you pledge not have any healthcare public or private? Of course not. But your ideology wants me to work harder for less. Your so brave.

As far as not being Republican; who did you vote for last go-around? I don't remember a grassroots anti-union movement. It certainly wasn't from the original tea party. Nope, this is completely an invention of the Republican party and one that was not run on last election. You're playing right into party politics.

 

[Kaptain]

A 1946 clip funded by a PRIVATE sector union? Check the fluoride level in your drinking water. BTW, do large corporations support race-mixing? Illegal immigration? Diversity? Or is it just private sector unions from 1946?

<div></div>Since in your previous posts, you essentially declared all unions are more or less the same, the clip is appropriate for the thread.  So now in light of this you think private sector unions are bad and only PSUs are good?
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<div>And yes, globalists that are in charge of many large corporations are by definition supporters of race-mixing.  Why do you bring this up?  Are you insinuating that since I'm against PSUs, as they are currently held sacrosanct by the law, I must automatically be a globalist shill in favor of crony capitalism, worshipping at the feet of Goldman Sachs?  Your insults are tiring and petty.</div>

Your arguements are pathetic. A 1946 private sector union video and you blame that on me. Try sticking to the issues. I've done nothing but come back at you with facts and I've pointed out your flawed logic. If that hurts your feelings then toughen up buttercup.

 

[Kaptain]

In Wisconsin, it turns out that collective bargaining is one of the ways that the Teacher's Union is stealing from the taxpayers.  A union-mandated high-cost health plan that is owned by the union is milking the taxpayers by charging premiums that far exceed market norms, and are doing so with impunity.

<div>This is why collective bargaining for benefits and insurance (NOT WAGES) should be taken off the table for WI Public Sector Unions.  The lucrative and monstrously expensive health insurance enjoyed by 64% of WI's public school district employees is paid for by the taxpayer as a direct result of Union "Collective Bargaining".  In addition, the health care carrier, which is required be subjected to collective bargaining, is owned by the PSU

This has been a hot topic of discussion on all the talk shows. Walker says there are other carriers which would provide the exact same coverage as WEA Trust, whch would save taxpayers upwards of $68 million per year!

Why should the rest of us be gouged?

None of it matters. It doesn't matter what you or Scott Walker think of individual districts negotiated and agreed in contract to benefit plan. It's all deferred compensation and the business of only the Independent School District and the local taxpayers. Otherwise, they could just pay in cash. But why don't they? That's right, its cheaper for the district give benefits in deferred compensation. But I believe in local government not Big Brother so you may disagree with me.

 

[FootballDad]

Then will you pledge not have any healthcare public or private? Of course not. But your ideology wants me to work harder for less. Your so brave.

As far as not being Republican; who did you vote for last go-around? I don't remember a grassroots anti-union movement. It certainly wasn't from the original tea party. Nope, this is completely an invention of the Republican party and one that was not run on last election. You're playing right into party politics.

Although it doesn't have a great deal to do with this thread, I thought I would answer your questions here, as the bourgeois to the proletariat

Sure, I have a private sector healthplan. And I pay close to $1,000 a month for it, in addition to co-pays that certainly add up ($40 for a prescription, etc.). Any you pay..??? Oh, that's right, as an oppressed "worker", you pay a stipend.

And, of course, you throw in a dig a the Tea Party as a fabrication in whole cloth of the Republican Party. Listening to you is just like watching MSNBC. But hey, I'm not an enlightened social Democrat such as yourself.

 

[Kaptain]

Football Dad, what do you do for a living?

Do you get to write-off your private sector healthcare plan?

I don't care what you get for healthcare - only to compare, but I would be perfectly happy recieving pay compensation and finding my own healthcare. It's all deferred compensation as I have already stated.

 

[Bart]

http://biggovernment.com/bhealy/2011/03/23/organized-left-plan-massive-protests-for-april-4th/

In the wake of changes to government employee unions' power in Wisconsin and elsewhere, The Communist Party USA is working in conjunction with national labor unions and other left wing political groups to organize protests in Madison, Wisconsin and across the nation on April 4th.

Scott Marshall, Vice Chair of The Communist Party USA said his organization is working with the likes of MoveOn.org, the SEIU, the AFL-CIO and others to make April 4th, the anniversary of the assassination of the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., a national day of action.

"Support is beginning to grow,"Â￾ said Marshall in an online meeting earlier this month. "A bunch of organizations already are hyping the idea of massive demonstrations on April 4th."Â￾

The Community Party in particular has benefited from the recent debate over Wisconsin government employee unions' power to collectively bargain, using the opportunity to build their ranks.

"In this struggle, the question of building the Left and building the Party has to come to the fore,"Â￾ Marshall said. "Recruiting has picked up, more people are joining the Party and the broader left is getting bigger."Â￾

The Communist Party USA leader said his members cannot just participate alongside other organizations, however. They must continue to join and help lead them.


‘We have to totally be imbedded in this movement and in these activities,"Â￾ Marshall said. "Every comrade has a part to play."Â￾

During the recent demonstrations in Madison, several protesters invoked images of Dr King, who was shot in Memphis, Tennessee on April 4, 1968, while in the city to meet and march in support of striking African American sanitation workers.

 

[whiteCB]

[ I don't remember a grassroots anti-union movement. It certainly wasn't from the original tea party. Nope, this is completely an invention of the Republican party and one that was not run on last election. You're playing right into party politics.

Yeah since when is the Tea Party now the anti-union party? To me sounds like a lot of Republican gamesmanship trying to attach anti-union sentiment to the Tea Party throngs. All in the hopes of quashing $$$ that unions funnel to democratic candidates. I am a independent voter but I mean come on this Union attack sh*t is totally all the Republicans doing and latching onto the Tea Partiers.

 

[Kaptain]

The tea party has been saddled with this issue. By going along with the Big Business classic Republican stance on unions the Tea Party now just looks like the Republican Party. They have lost all of their momentum. The party is over.

When the idea of the Tea Party was first forming there was absolutely no anti-union sentiment behind the grassroots movement. It was about illegal immigration, illegal wars, opposing bankster bail-outs, government corruption, endless stimulus spending, and ending the welfare state. Those ideals have been completely lost and replaced with attacks on working Americans. In short, it was high-jacked incredibly easily. It's very disheartening.

 

[jaxvid]

The tea party has been saddled with this issue. By going along with the Big Business classic Republican stance on unions the Tea Party now just looks like the Republican Party. They have lost all of their momentum. The party is over.

You wouldn't know when the "party is over" you have been criticizing the Tea Party since the get-go, now you're all concerned that they have been taken over by the Republicans, give me a break!

 

[Kaptain]

The tea party has been saddled with this issue. By going along with the Big Business classic Republican stance on unions the Tea Party now just looks like the Republican Party. They have lost all of their momentum. The party is over.

You wouldn't know when the "party is over" you have been criticizing the Tea Party since the get-go, now you're all concerned that they have been taken over by the Republicans, give me a break!

You want to supply evidence that I didn't support "them" from the get go? Or are you just going to shot your mouth off? Maybe you thought the tea party started with Mike Huckabee and Glenn Beck. I'm not that foolish. A revolution led by Sarah Palin is an absolute joke. The party is over simply because some people like you are so easily co-opted.

 

[Westside]

This thread is very long and important into the game being played by the Democrats and the Unions. I will not disparge any members here. But I will state common knowledge. Unions and organized labor funnel big cash to democrat party and its vile candidates and policies. This is indisputable. If these organizations funneled cash to the Repubs and they pushed policies we all disagree with I would sound the alarm.

BO will be counting on Unions, Organized Labor and covert communists to propel him to another 4 years. This can not be denied. I get that White people in these unions loved there benifiets and perks today. But its just the way dems buy votes from the center of the US. It is kinda of like " I am getting mine, so what if BO is the president, I am accustomed to my life, I need life to continue as before." Problem is BO and his cohorts want to change this great country into a socialist utopia where the end game is a Greece or England.

In the words of another famous socialist Hillary Clinton, "no way, no how." I will do my part to support the TEA Party to thwart BO, dems or repubs who want to compromise.

 

[Kaptain]

It's pretty simple. Did the Tea Party start as an anti-union movement strongly connected to Republican Party elites, or did it start as more of a Ron Paul grassroots anti-immigration/anti-bail-out/anti-Too-big-to-fail movement? It's a rhetorical question.

Unions would "funnel" cash to Republicans if they supported them and, in fact, some union money has gone to Republicans. By contrast, the corportations tend to funnel money to people that support cheap labor (read immigrants), which at this point is always Republicans and often Democrats. I don't fall into the Republican vs. Democrat false paradigm. There are both essentially the same.

 

[Westside]

The current TEA party started on 12/14/2008 by a group of people for "Restoring a Sound Money System." Its keynote speaker was the great Rand Pual.

On 2/19/2009 a CNBC business analyst Rick Santelli went on the air and ranted against paying for a neighbors mortgage and starting a Chicago TEA party. One of many ass backwards socialist welfare programs of the BO adminstration. It was Santelli who some credit as the catalyst for the TEA Party we have now. I believe the founders were the group on 12/14/2008, and Rand Pual.

Kaptain, your second paragraph is pretty much true though, except for the last sentence. Every single Republican in the Senate/Congress voted against Obamacare. So there is a difference. My hope is that TEA party will force the Repubs to change for the better.

 

[Kaptain]

Although it wasn't officially named yet, I think it started earlier with the great Ron Paul. From Wikipedia:

More recently, the anniversary of the original Boston Tea Party was commemorated by Republican Congressman Ron Paul supporters who held a fund raising event for the 2008 presidential primaries advocating an end to fiat money and the Federal Reserve System, disengaging from foreign entanglements in Iraq and Afghanistan, and upholding States' rights.[30][31][32]