Riots in Wisconsin?

[jaxvid]

I did not refer favorably to Reagans busting of the air traffic controllers, I just mentioned it. I agree with you that he should have shown that kind of balls in other areas.

Yes the unions did good things back in the day. No doubt. However my modern day experience with unions in my autoworker days was that it was a way to protect lazy incompetent blacks. It did. And because of that those dozens of union shops that I worked in back in the 1970-80's-90's are long gone. Victims of their own greed and arrogance. If they would have been able to survive you would be driving cars with the quality and durability of Yugo's.

Unions can only be a good thing in white countries like Germany, where the natural work ethic of the people is able to compensate for the urge to abuse the system. They never will be workable in multicult usa. The union days you are referring to are from the glory days of white america, now long dead. It seems silly to compare the govt unions of today that guarentee $600,000 yearly pensions until death for former union leaders with the guys that battled company troops in Grand Rapids. Apples and oranges.

Since I got a degree and left the union hell-holes I have never had a problem finding work. My skill is my bargaining chip. I don't need to collude with other people and force a property owner (company ownership) using the power of the police state to give me something I can't get on my own. I think that is immoral.

 

[Westside]

If this Repub administration in WIS forces required "adjustments" to their gov't unions, the difference between the two headed snake will become more tangible. If this Governor Walker succeeds and balances the state's budget, he will lauded and go down in WIS state history as a game changer. The Democratic Party is launching an all out offensive with its operatives and rent-a-mobs to stop it. If they fail a large cash flow from all unions will be come a trickle. That is I see this battle and its reprocussions.

What he is doing is kind of remarkable. I could never see Governor Moonbeam or Arnold Jerkingnator ever telling CA unions that things regarding their pensions, health care and collective bargin will be changing. Never.

 

[Menelik]

Public workers have lorded it over private sector workers anddeserve their comeuppance.

I've been in public service (military, cop, teacher) my entire adult working career and I have NEVER "lorded it" over anyone in the private sector.As I've also pointed out in an earlier post teachers here in Georgia DO NOT have a union OR collective bargaining rights. Due to the furlough days, 10, I am losing several thousand dollars of my salary. I hope that makes some of you here feel better.

 

[Don Wassall]

I did not refer favorably to Reagans busting of the air traffic controllers, I just mentioned it. I agree with you that he should have shown that kind of balls in other areas.

Yes the unions did good things back in the day. No doubt. However my modern day experience with unions in my autoworker days was that it was a way to protect lazy incompetent blacks. It did. And because of that those dozens of union shops that I worked in back in the 1970-80's-90's are long gone. Victims of their own greed and arrogance. If they would have been able to survive you would be driving cars with the quality and durability of Yugo's.

Unions can only be a good thing in white countries like Germany, where the natural work ethic of the people is able to compensate for the urge to abuse the system. They never will be workable in multicult usa. The union days you are referring to are from the glory days of white america, now long dead. It seems silly to compare the govt unions of today that guarentee $600,000 yearly pensions until death for former union leaders with the guys that battled company troops in Grand Rapids. Apples and oranges.

Since I got a degree and left the union hell-holes I have never had a problem finding work. My skill is my bargaining chip. I don't need to collude with other people and force a property owner (company ownership) using the power of the police state to give me something I can't get on my own. I think that is immoral.

Sure, there's always going to be White people like you who have skills that are needed and who have the intelligence and drive to promote them. I'm talking about in general. I'm still trying to understand how denying the right of public employees to organize helps either the middle class or White people in general, especially as the gangsters at the top continue to transfer much of the wealth of the middle class to themselves. All it's doing is ensuring that many honest, hard-working Whites in public jobs will descend to the ranks of the poor and near-poor, along with the public employees who didn't deserve their jobs in the first place. The latter may get their just rewards, but it's the former ones, who are mostly White,I'm concerned about. The answer is to clean house from the top-down, but instead it's the middle-down that keeps getting screwed.

 

[Don Wassall]

Public workers have lorded it over private sector workers anddeserve their comeuppance.

I've been in public service (military, cop, teacher) my entire adult working career and I have NEVER "lorded it" over anyone in the private sector.As I've also pointed out in an earlier post teachers here in Georgia DO NOT have a union OR collective bargaining rights. Due to the furlough days, 10, I am losing several thousand dollars of my salary. I hope that makes some of you here feel better.

C'mon now, it's obvious I was talking in generalities. The public sector, because of the non-stop growth of government and bureaucracies and their zillions of ever-increasing and usually non-sensical regulations, has impacted small and medium sized businesses (and thus private sector employees)in all kinds of negative ways. Any fair reading of whatI've been writing in this threadmakes it clear that I sympathize with your individual situation.Edited by: Don Wassall

 

[Menelik]

Public workers have lorded it over private sector workers anddeserve their comeuppance.

C'mon now, it's obvious I was talking in generalities.

Your use of the word "workers" instead of "sector" threw me off.

 

[Don Wassall]

You're right, I could have been more specific, but I've been typing lots of words in a hurry today.

 

[Mr. Lutefisk]

How does a loser like scott walker prance through the political pyramid at such a young age without being hand picked from the beginning by his corporate and jewish masters. My guess it won't be too long before he makes his special trip to Israel to get their offical approval and money if he follows their orders.

Man, you could not be more wrong. Get a clue from the Wisconsin Teachers Union.

http://www.620wtmj.com/shows/charliesykes

Walker is Hitler.

.
He wants to exterminate teachers.

Heil Walker! I like that one.

Those imbeciles are certified all right.

The best and the brightest.They are not college flunkies, ya know.

So you agree with scott walker going out of his way breaking the law to keep David Duke off the voting ballot? This kind of BS is something you might expect from the jewish ADL or the southern poverty law center not a Conservative which walker claims he is but is definately not.My guess is you didn't even watch the video. It is sad to see people dig their heels in so deep on such a minor issue as teacher pay that they end up siding with the Jewish lobby.
Edited by: Mr. Lutefisk

 

[Kaptain]

How's that for the perfect set up?

The Union forms a trust and becomes an insurance carrier, writes the most awesome insurance policy that money can buy, charges a very pretty penny for it, has it legislated that 'collective bargaining includes insurance carrier identity,' and has their Union members demand that their own health insurance company be the provider with their Collective Bargaining Power.

Bart, they're all white working people so you shouldn't say anything bad about them! Don't you understand that it is the plan of communists and republicans to set you against your white brothers in the trust/insurance/union business? You should support that they make so much money and instead only worry about immigration and welfare benefits!

So is it that we in the union make too much money?

Or is it that we call ourselves Unions?

What's the rules to the limits in Jaxvid's perfect corporate world as to how people can join together and ask for higher wages? 20 people too many? 5? 2? How about two twin brothers asking a farmer for a higher wage? Off with their heads!?

Or is it that unions are OK in the so-called "private sector", but not in the public sector? Can we have groups that unite to represent veterans/military men or should we jail them immediately? What clubs, organizations, unions, are allowable?

 

[Guest]

How's that for the perfect set up?

The Union forms a trust and becomes an insurance carrier, writes the most awesome insurance policy that money can buy, charges a very pretty penny for it, has it legislated that 'collective bargaining includes insurance carrier identity,' and has their Union members demand that their own health insurance company be the provider with their Collective Bargaining Power.

Bart, they're all white working people so you shouldn't say anything bad about them! Don't you understand that it is the plan of communists and republicans to set you against your white brothers in the trust/insurance/union business? You should support that they make so much money and instead only worry about immigration and welfare benefits!

Well Jaxvid, that attitude is why we white people are doomed in this country. Our enemy is united and puts race first. They are ruling over us because of that reason alone.

 

[FootballDad]

I admire folks like Kaptain who have chosen to enter the difficult field of edumencating our nation's youts. And I can appreciate his naturally defensive position when teachers are "the face" of the demonstrations in Wisconsin, and Kaptain defends the profession. However, the fact remains that the government should not be the arbiter and authority in the teaching profession to begin with. Until the early 19th century, education was primarily a private sector matter. The reasons for establishing government "first" education in the late 18th, early 19th century are sordid indeed, and have a great deal to do with the mess we are in from a global perspective.
In regards to "public sector unions" in particular, they should not exist in the first place, as the party on the "hook" for the payment of the negotiated collective bargaining is not at the table during the negotiations. When public sector union bosses negotiate deals with their bought-and-paid-for politicians, it's not exactly "collective bargaining".

Now on to some quotes from a former prominent politician, that I agree with on very few (if any, I can think of) issues. I found these to be fascinating, especially considering the source:

"All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people."

"The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters. Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of Government employees."

Can any of you guess who this icon-of-the-left was?

* editedto eliminateembarrassing typos

Edited by: FootballDad

 

[Bart]

So you agree with scott walker going out of his way breaking the law to keep David Duke off the voting ballot?

No, not at all.Duke should have been on the ballot.

My guess is you didn't even watch the video.

You guessed wrong! David acquitted himself very well. Did you ever read any of my posts about him? I like him a lot the information on his web site is tremendous.

It is sad to see people dig their heels in so deep on such a minor issue as teacher pay that they end up siding with the Jewish lobby.

It is NOT a minor issue. It is not just about teachers, the ramifications will be huge.

First time I've been accused of siding with the jewish lobby.

I can't do a damn thing about most of the issues confronting us. Tilting at wind mills on the internet hasn't produced a lot.

If our confiscatory tax rates continue escalating higher, I will be forced to sell my home in a relatively White suburban community.

Of course, I could move into a smaller less expensive house in an area infested with blacks where taxes are much lower.

Ahh, no. I'd rather have the government downsize. I'm just selfish that way.

My Union Teacher neighbor can afford the increases, I can't.

By the way, you should watch the videos of the demonstrators and acquaint yourself with many of the leaders and muckety mucks of the unions such as Mike Elk, third generation jewish commie, anti-white rabble rouser.

You can't swing a dead cat in the air in Madison without hitting several chosen ones.

 

[FootballDad]

Nice post, Bart. It is funny seeing knowledgeable posters rising up in favor of the status quo, in favor of keeping the machinery of government gluttony in place. The same status quo put into place by the ones they are supporting! You are correct in your last sentence! Now, Scott Walker doing what he did to David Duke was not acceptable, but when he does something right, you can't throw away his entire body of work due to an earlier mistake. I think the world of Dr. Duke, and watch virtually every commentary he puts out, as the wisdom within is profound, but, sadly, in American politics he is a pariah, and apparently Scott Walker saw/sees him that way.

 

[Kaptain]

I admire folks like Kaptain who have chosen to enter the difficult field of edumencating our nation's youts.  And I can appreciate his naturally defensive position when teachers are "the face" of the demonstrations in Wisconsin, and Kaptain defends the profession.  However, the fact remains that the government should not be the arbiter and authority in the teaching profession to begin with.  Until the early 19th century, education was primarily a private sector matter.  The reasons for establishing government "first" education in the late 18th, early 19th century are sordid indeed, and have a great deal to do with the mess we are in from a global perspective.
<div>In regards to "public sector unions" in particular, they should not exist in the first place, as the party on the "hook" for the payment of the negotiated collective bargaining is not at the table during the negotiations.  When public sector union bosses negotiate deals with their bought-and-paid-for politicians, it's not exactly "collective bargaining".</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Now on to some quotes from a former prominent politician, that I agree with on very few (if any, I can think of) issues.  I found these to be fascinating, especially considering the source:</div>
<div> </div>
<div>&lt;FONT face=Arial&gt;"All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people." </font>&lt;FONT face=Arial&gt;"The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress.  Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters. Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of Government employees." </font></div>
<div>&lt;FONT face=Arial&gt;</font> </div>
<div>&lt;FONT face=Arial&gt;Can any of you guess who this icon-of-the-left was?</font></div>
<div>&lt;FONT face=Arial&gt;</font> </div>
<div>&lt;FONT face=Arial&gt;* edited to eliminate embarrassing typos

</font></div>

That's extremely philisophical and frankly beyond the scope of this much simplier discussion. I would guess that you and many or maybe most castefootballers don't believe in various things like income tax, governtment postal service, federal reserve notes (dollars), usuary etc. But you all pay taxes, pick-up your mail, get paid in Jew-money, and occasionally have to take out a loan. I'm not going to harp on you for doing such - it would be silly. The question is much simplier - are public school teachers salaries/benefits lavish and out of line?

Collective bargaining for higer wages for teachers is usually a much harder sell than in collective bargaining at a private sector company. The stats bare that out. Teachers in my district since 1990 have had increases in pay that amount to less than have of the government inflation rate. During that same period, the private sector has enjoyed 5x the pay increases. There really is no comparison. When a teacher bargains for a significantly higher wages, it usually means you have to pass a bond referendum through the voting public - most of which don't have children in school. That's a much tougher sell IMO and it's real Democracy.

Congratulations, we are now arguing about which working person can and can not have collective bargaining. Can they divide us anymore easily? Ninny nannying over the minutous details.

BTW, I was union way before I became a teacher. In the 1980's you may remember the Hormel strikes in Austin, MN. Though I had no family member that had a dog in the fight, I could see the writing on the wall. I supported the union as a teenager. The reason is not unlike today's reason - I saw that the company was clearly under-cutting workers wages using illegal aliens of destructive foreign race. That plan has been carried out to the tee since. Unfortunetly they played white warfare back then too and the union lost favor with other jealous locals who actually thought meat-packers (a grueling job) were over-paid. They fell for it to the demise of everybody. Now the once all-white town is a Mexican cesspool. Congratulations, you broke the union while the dirty corporation got away with violating the most precious of our countries laws. The song remains the same.

When I became a teacher about a decade later, union and non-union was not really an issue for me. Becoming a teacher was somewhat of a snap decision after graduating with a bachelor of science and looking to Master's program. My first job teaching was as a non-union teacher at private for profit school. They paid crap. In my fourth year I earned 27,000 for year-round teaching. They could care less who they hired as long as they breathed and didn't mention the word union. The good teachers/staff would always eventually leave and teach somewhere else or find a more profitable career. The school eventually went in shambles and ran to the union to save the school. The place is thriving now.

As you can see, my position on unions has nothing to do with my own interests. It's been a life long process of observing society. I've been planning to leave teaching already myself. I almost welcome a pay reduction as a reason to finally quit. My wife already has quit (last year) and is making the same money running her own sales business. Soon she will make more than me and she doesn't even work that hard. She will never go back to teaching and she's had many many offers.

What fires me up is not my interests, but that I have a lot more knowledge on the issue than others. I know my own salary and benefits. Though I asked repeatedly, nobody else could supply the benefits breakdown. I spoon-fed it anyway. It didn't make a difference. I know how hard teaching is and how under-appreciated they are. I get upset when others make uninformed judgements. I have always thought castefootball had the smartest most informed folks of any discussion forum I've seen. That idea has been dealt a blow with this issue. I guess I thought we were more than just Red vs. Blue.Edited by: Kaptain

 

[Colonel_Reb]

I appreciate the back and forth in this thread and have learned a lot from it. My father in law is a dyed in the wool union man. He is retired and doesn't live in Wisconsin, so what happens there isn't going to directly affect him. Nevertheless, he's majorly ticked at Walker and the Wisconsin Republicans right now because they "are trying to get rid of the unions." He doesn't like and didn't vote for Obama but now is talking him up because "he's standing up for the unions." One of my main gripes about unions is the groupthink they foster. They have a tendency to turn some of their members into robots who seemingly can only think and vote one way and base their decisions on just one issue, usually a candidate's stance on unions. This isn't a good thing, imho. Yes, unions have done a lot of good in this country but they have also helped cause problems like what is going on in Wisconsin. At some point, honest people have to be willing to admit that it is time to make a compromise for the benefit of everyone. That alone will not mean the end of unions.

 

[Westside]

From reading this thread and others, I am going to assume a significant amount of posters are indeed union members. Surely they have to know the large amount of their dues fuel the machine of the Democratic party? Believe me, my point is not to start a fight with any of them. I am in a union(we only support for the most part conservative politicians)I realize posters in unions are great in their respective professions. I will never begrudge any man making as much as he can. But when the taxpayers pay the bill, there are definitely limits. That governor is addressing the limits.

The questions is this. During the past elections or upcoming Presidential elections did they earnestly pull the levers for the current crop of democrats or as some say pull that lever while holding their noses, knowing the politicians they championed were hurting other whites and other Americans? "Its ok, whatever, my pockets are lined, my future is protected. The city or country can go into the red, or hell for that matter. But I detest the democrats and republicans,especially obligatory neocon type line, etc"...while posting on CF

All of a sudden the BO administration is walking back its support of the unions once they saw that Rasmussen poll.

Those retards, really step in the mud time after time, while the MSM media just keeps quiet about it and hopes they can survive and win a 2nd term.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Just for the record, I'm not a union member, although I am a teacher (college prof).

 

[Kaptain]

I appreciate the back and forth in this thread and have learned a lot from it. My father in law is a dyed in the wool union man. He is retired and doesn't live in Wisconsin, so what happens there isn't going to directly affect him. Nevertheless, he's majorly ticked at Walker and the Wisconsin Republicans right now because they "are trying to get rid of the unions." He doesn't like and didn't vote for Obama but now is talking him up because "he's standing up for the unions."  

And anybody who thinks that this "run back to the Democrats" is by pure accident just hasn't been reading happy hour closely enough the past few years. This is orchestrated to the tee. Republicans and Democrats were both losing power in the United States. The Real Tea Party Spirit (not the neocon high-jacked one) was just starting to get some footing. Obama was looking like a one term President. Now his stock has risen considerably. All Tea Partiers (real and neoconned) will be demonized by good part of the working people. The result is people more permenantly entrenched in the Red vs. Blue debate just as they had planned.

 

[space hillbilly]

From reading this thread and others, I am going to assume a significant amount of posters are indeed union members. Surely they have to know the large amount of their dues fuel the machine of the Democratic party? Believe me, my point is not to start a fight with any of them. I am in a union(we only support for the most part conservative politicians)I realize posters in unions are great in their respective professions. I will never begrudge any man making as much as he can. But when the taxpayers pay the bill, there are definitely limits. That governor is addressing the limits.

The questions is this. During the past elections or upcoming Presidential elections did they earnestly pull the levers for the current crop of democrats or as some say pull that lever while holding their noses, knowing the politicians they championed were hurting other whites and other Americans? "Its ok, whatever, my pockets are lined, my future is protected. The city or country can go into the red, or hell for that matter. But I detest the democrats and republicans,especially obligatory neocon type line, etc"...while posting on CF

All of a sudden the BO administration is walking back its support of the unions once they saw that Rasmussen poll.

Those retards, really step in the mud time after time, while the MSM media just keeps quiet about it and hopes they can survive and win a 2nd term.

Union and non-union are like fire and water, they both get scaryif they get out of control.... Edited by: lost

 

[Westside]

Yeah especially if one mixes in a case of beer over 12 hours!

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Yeah especially if one mixes in a case of beer over 12 hours!

Deadgum, that is for sure.

 

[johnnyboy]

I admire folks like Kaptain who have chosen to enter the difficult field of edumencating our nation's youts.  And I can appreciate his naturally defensive position when teachers are "the face" of the demonstrations in Wisconsin, and Kaptain defends the profession.  However, the fact remains that the government should not be the arbiter and authority in the teaching profession to begin with.  Until the early 19th century, education was primarily a private sector matter.  The reasons for establishing government "first" education in the late 18th, early 19th century are sordid indeed, and have a great deal to do with the mess we are in from a global perspective.
<div>In regards to "public sector unions" in particular, they should not exist in the first place, as the party on the "hook" for the payment of the negotiated collective bargaining is not at the table during the negotiations.  When public sector union bosses negotiate deals with their bought-and-paid-for politicians, it's not exactly "collective bargaining".</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Now on to some quotes from a former prominent politician, that I agree with on very few (if any, I can think of) issues.  I found these to be fascinating, especially considering the source:</div>
<div> </div>
<div>&lt;FONT face=Arial&gt;"All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people." </font>&lt;FONT face=Arial&gt;"The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress.  Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters. Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of Government employees." </font></div>
<div>&lt;FONT face=Arial&gt;</font> </div>
<div>&lt;FONT face=Arial&gt;Can any of you guess who this icon-of-the-left was?</font></div>
<div>&lt;FONT face=Arial&gt;</font> </div>
<div>&lt;FONT face=Arial&gt;* edited to eliminate embarrassing typos

</font></div>

That's extremely philisophical and frankly beyond the scope of this much simplier discussion. I would guess that you and many or maybe most castefootballers don't believe in various things like income tax, governtment postal service, federal reserve notes (dollars), usuary etc. But you all pay taxes, pick-up your mail, get paid in Jew-money, and occasionally have to take out a loan. I'm not going to harp on you for doing such - it would be silly. The question is much simplier - are public school teachers salaries/benefits lavish and out of line?

Collective bargaining for higer wages for teachers is usually a much harder sell than in collective bargaining at a private sector company. The stats bare that out. Teachers in my district since 1990 have had increases in pay that amount to less than have of the government inflation rate. During that same period, the private sector has enjoyed 5x the pay increases. There really is no comparison. When a teacher bargains for a significantly higher wages, it usually means you have to pass a bond referendum through the voting public - most of which don't have children in school. That's a much tougher sell IMO and it's real Democracy.

Congratulations, we are now arguing about which working person can and can not have collective bargaining. Can they divide us anymore easily? Ninny nannying over the minutous details.

BTW, I was union way before I became a teacher. In the 1980's you may remember the Hormel strikes in Austin, MN. Though I had no family member that had a dog in the fight, I could see the writing on the wall. I supported the union as a teenager. The reason is not unlike today's reason - I saw that the company was clearly under-cutting workers wages using illegal aliens of destructive foreign race. That plan has been carried out to the tee since. Unfortunetly they played white warfare back then too and the union lost favor with other jealous locals who actually thought meat-packers (a grueling job) were over-paid. They fell for it to the demise of everybody. Now the once all-white town is a Mexican cesspool. Congratulations, you broke the union while the dirty corporation got away with violating the most precious of our countries laws. The song remains the same.

When I became a teacher about a decade later, union and non-union was not really an issue for me. Becoming a teacher was somewhat of a snap decision after graduating with a bachelor of science and looking to Master's program. My first job teaching was as a non-union teacher at private for profit school. They paid crap. In my fourth year I earned 27,000 for year-round teaching. They could care less who they hired as long as they breathed and didn't mention the word union. The good teachers/staff would always eventually leave and teach somewhere else or find a more profitable career. The school eventually went in shambles and ran to the union to save the school. The place is thriving now.

As you can see, my position on unions has nothing to do with my own interests. It's been a life long process of observing society. I've been planning to leave teaching already myself. I almost welcome a pay reduction as a reason to finally quit. My wife already has quit (last year) and is making the same money running her own sales business. Soon she will make more than me and she doesn't even work that hard. She will never go back to teaching and she's had many many offers.

What fires me up is not my interests, but that I have a lot more knowledge on the issue than others. I know my own salary and benefits. Though I asked repeatedly, nobody else could supply the benefits breakdown. I spoon-fed it anyway. It didn't make a difference. I know how hard teaching is and how under-appreciated they are. I get upset when others make uninformed judgements. I have always thought castefootball had the smartest most informed folks of any discussion forum I've seen. That idea has been dealt a blow with this issue. I guess I thought we were more than just Red vs. Blue.

great post Kaptain. there are some public employee unions that are over-paid but teachers aren't one of them. this is neo-con union busting at it's best. it's funny how morons like Boehner threw a fit about the Bush Tax cuts for the rich expiring, without ever mentioning austerity. but now they want to kill collective bargaining rights under the guise of a "budget crisis".

PS-if you want to save state money, start by trimming back the police and fireman pension plans. they get way more money than teachers ever will.

 

[Mr. Lutefisk]

So you agree with scott walker going out of his way breaking the law to keep David Duke off the voting ballot?

No, not at all.Duke should have been on the ballot.

My guess is you didn't even watch the video.

You guessed wrong! David acquitted himself very well. Did you ever read any of my posts about him? I like him a lot the information on his web site is tremendous.

It is sad to see people dig their heels in so deep on such a minor issue as teacher pay that they end up siding with the Jewish lobby.

It is NOT a minor issue. It is not just about teachers, the ramifications will be huge.

First time I've been accused of siding with the jewish lobby.

I can't do a damn thing about most of the issues confronting us. Tilting at wind mills on the internet hasn't produced a lot.

If our confiscatory tax rates continue escalating higher, I will be forced to sell my home in a relatively White suburban community.

Of course, I could move into a smaller less expensive house in an area infested with blacks where taxes are much lower.

Ahh, no. I'd rather have the government downsize. I'm just selfish that way.

My Union Teacher neighbor can afford the increases, I can't.

By the way, you should watch the videos of the demonstrators and acquaint yourself with many of the leaders and muckety mucks of the unions such as Mike Elk, third generation jewish commie, anti-white rabble rouser.

You can't swing a dead cat in the air in Madison without hitting several chosen ones.

I'm certain the future will prove my assessment of Scott Walker as a POS neocon will be correct. Teachers are not the problem, Jews controlling our politicians are. Walker has been contolled from the beginning as proven by the Duke debate video and now he has divided the White working class as planned.

 

[Tom Iron]

Gentlemen,

Here's a point no one is focusing on for the most part, hidden in all this uproar. Walker wants to kill the checkoff process with union dues. In other words, he wants the state to stop taking out union dues from the paychecks of the workers and paying that money to the unions. As a union officer, one of the ongoing things coming in front of our executive board meetings every month, was men failing to pay their dues. Not that they were out of work and unable to pay, just that they didn't. They had as many reasons as there are stars in the sky for not paying, but when they reached six moths in arrears, they were automatically striped of their union cards by the international. It cost them $900 to reinstate their cards. In the meantime, they were suspended from working on our union jobs.

I assure everyone, if the checkoff policy is done away with, these civil service type people will be even worse than our guys were/are with failure to pay their union dues. Don't think the public service union bosses aren't well aware of this.

Tom Iron...

 

[Kaptain]

Well Tom, if they don't want (or can't) pay their union dues how can anyone complain that they don't get union services? If I don't pay my gym club membership for whatever reason, they don't let me in. When I rejoin the gym, I have to re-pay the initiation fee. That's how it works.