Reparations

[Freedom]

Menelik. What do you think of the source. I could find others.

 

[Guest]

Menelik. What do you think of the source. I could find others.

Good source but your original post stated that Reagen financed the 9-11 attackers. By using that type of reasoning one can also state that gun manufacturers are responsible for any crime committed using a gun. Bin ladin comes from a rich family and hardly needed any funds that the CIA was funneling to the Muhajadin during the Soviet/Afghan War.

 

[Freedom]

If gun manufacturers give guns to kids with criminal records that are quite likely to use firearms violently, then in a way, they are.

Reagan backed bin Laden and Saddam. If the situation is assessed it can clearly be determined that he knew these people could easily turn against the United States and were very volatile and irresponsible.

 

[Guest]

If gun manufacturers give guns to kids with criminal records that are quite likely to use firearms violently, then in a way, they are.

Reagan backed bin Laden and Saddam. If the situation is assessed it can clearly be determined that he knew these people could easily turn against the United States and were very volatile and irresponsible.

Sure

 

[C Darwin]

Reparations are for Man licker

I punch the clock tryin' to make it to the top: How 'bout you?
I ain't got no blue-blood trust fund, I can dip in to.
Yeah, I wish Uncle Sam would give a damn, About the man who's collar's blue.
But if he don't, hell, I'll make it on my own: How 'bout you?

Eric Church

How 'bout you Man Licker? Is destroying the credibility of the accomplishments of blacks during the AA era worth the token gains of the unworthy?

 

[Guest]

Reparations are for Man licker

I punch the clock tryin' to make it to the top: How 'bout you?
I ain't got no blue-blood trust fund, I can dip in to.
Yeah, I wish Uncle Sam would give a damn, About the man who's collar's blue.
But if he don't, hell, I'll make it on my own: How 'bout you?

Eric Church

How 'bout you Man Licker? Is destroying the credibility of the accomplishments of blacks during the AA era worth the token gains of the unworthy?

"A Coward dies many deaths, a brave man only dies once."


Ahh the safety and anonymity of the net

 

[C Darwin]

"never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee."

Any more gibberish?

 

[Guest]

"never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee."

Any more gibberish?

"It is best to keep ones mouth shut and be thought of as a fool then to open ones mouth and remove all doubt."

I'm through now. This is getting somewhat tiresome and we are both acting very trifling, you won.

 

[White_Savage]

What the hell is with the poetry recital? This has gotten pretty damn far from the topic of reperations.

Menelik, I find it interesting that you describe yourself as a libertarian. My own political thought leans heavily in that direction. You'll find most members of this site more libertarian than the general population. No one here supports the larcenous tax rates, the Orwellian social engineering, the red tape regulations, or the senseless wars our government fights. We are especially alarmed at the total abandonment of restrictions on government powers and petty infringements instituted since 9/11. The right to speak your mind, the right to keep and bear arms, and of course, freedom of association are very popular here. I'd say about half of us don't even believe in the Drug war. No one supports open borders of course, but even you must realize on some level how stupid and destructive that'll prove to be. Cutting out most of the tax burdens and onerous regulations would help out small business as much, or more, as allowing them to continue to hire illegals.

This political alignment presents another glaring difference between the attitudes of Black and White "racists". For instance, while the Black Panthers believe every Black person and poor person in this country should have a guaranteed income (read their manifesto), most Pro-White individuals have more of a "get the gubment off my back" impulse.

In spite of this, you come here to troll and act contemptuous of those whose real-world political goals coincide with yours to a greater degree than the average American's.

In parting, I must ask, ever notice how 90% of the people showing up at libertarian functions are White? Gee, could it be that Whites are the only ones actually interested in libertarian aspirations in any signifigant numbers? Ever notice how 90% of Blacks vote for the party that doesn't even pretend to be about small government, the party most favorable towards confiscating the wealth of the productive and transferring it to the idle? Ever notice how the only "blue" counties in my home state of Texas are the ones which have been overrun by Mestizos? (I know the Republicans aren't really about small government, but in comparison to the Dems, at least they got their following by pretending to be about shrinking government.) Hell, even Asians, who are slightly more intelligent than Whites on average, by and large vote left. This is a cultural thing, I've known a bare handful of Asian Republicans, and to a man, they said they were Republican because they didn't think the Dems imposed enough controls on social behaviors.

Yep, the cultural attitude of a lot libertarians rubs me the wrong way. Too many libertarians spend alot of time kissing up to Blacks, homosexuals, Mestizo immigrants, and other groups who on average disagree vehemently with libertarian notions of proper political policies. Meanwhile, you are quite willing to lambaste Whites who believe in small government if they also believe adamantly in showing love and loyalty towards their own race. Not I'm not saying libertarians should be openly pro-White as a political strategy, I'm just saying lip-worshipping the same BS the far Left does isn't a great political strategy either.

Let me know when hating on racially-aware Whites actually causes Blacks and Mestizos to start voting libertarian in vast numbers.Edited by: White_Savage

 

[White_Savage]

"A Coward dies many deaths, a brave man only dies once."

Ahh the safety and anonymity of the net."

You wrote something to this effect to me also. You're not one of those lame idiots who implies they could "whip every man in the place" during a stupid internet debate are you? Please, please, let us not go there. Doesn't have a thing to do with who's right and who's wrong, even if you could smash me with one hand.

Besides, you may be a beast for all I know, but I have a blue belt in BJJ and I go and get beaten up by some professional kickboxers once a week on average, so I do kind of okay in that regard myself

 

[C Darwin]

Deal with the question Lunchbox:

Is destroying the credibility of the accomplishments of blacks during the AA era worth the token gains of the unworthy?

 

[Guest]

What the hell is with the poetry recital? This has gotten pretty damn far from the topic of reperations.

Menelik, I find it interesting that you describe yourself as a libertarian. My own political thought leans heavily in that direction. You'll find most members of this site more libertarian than the general population. No one here supports the larcenous tax rates, the Orwellian social engineering, the red tape regulations, or the senseless wars our government fights. We are especially alarmed at the total abandonment of restrictions on government powers and petty infringements instituted since 9/11. The right to speak your mind, the right to keep and bear arms, and of course, freedom of association are very popular here. I'd say about half of us don't even believe in the Drug war. No one supports open borders of course, but even you must realize on some level how stupid and destructive that'll prove to be. Cutting out most of the tax burdens and onerous regulations would help out small business as much, or more, as allowing them to continue to hire illegals.

This political alignment presents another glaring difference between the attitudes of Black and White "racists". For instance, while the Black Panthers believe every Black person and poor person in this country should have a guaranteed income (read their manifesto), most Pro-White individuals have more of a "get the gubment off my back" impulse.

In spite of this, you come here to troll and act contemptuous of those whose real-world political goals coincide with yours to a greater degree than the average American's.

In parting, I must ask, ever notice how 90% of the people showing up at libertarian functions are White? Gee, could it be that Whites are the only ones actually interested in libertarian aspirations in any signifigant numbers? Ever notice how 90% of Blacks vote for the party that doesn't even pretend to be about small government, the party most favorable towards confiscating the wealth of the productive and transferring it to the idle? Ever notice how the only "blue" counties in my home state of Texas are the ones which have been overrun by Mestizos? (I know the Republicans aren't really about small government, but in comparison to the Dems, at least they got their following by pretending to be about shrinking government.) Hell, even Asians, who are slightly more intelligent than Whites on average, by and large vote left. This is a cultural thing, I've known a bare handful of Asian Republicans, and to a man, they said they were Republican because they didn't think the Dems imposed enough controls on social behaviors.

Yep, the cultural attitude of a lot libertarians rubs me the wrong way. Too many libertarians spend alot of time kissing up to Blacks, homosexuals, Mestizo immigrants, and other groups who on average disagree vehemently with libertarian notions of proper political policies. Meanwhile, you are quite willing to lambaste Whites who believe in small government if they also believe adamantly in showing love and loyalty towards their own race. Not I'm not saying libertarians should be openly pro-White as a political strategy, I'm just saying lip-worshipping the same BS the far Left does isn't a great political strategy either.

Let me know when hating on racially-aware Whites actually causes Blacks and Mestizos to start voting libertarian in vast numbers.

Yes it has strayed far from the actual debate. BTY who said I was hating? FYI I'm a student during research, not that you or your ilk care. I'm researching group-think and the dynamics ofnationalist groups. I know that you do not want to hear this but like I have stated before, the similarities between these type groups regardless of the race is very much the same. I just started posting here but I have been following the threads for quite a while.

 

[Guest]

"A Coward dies many deaths, a brave man only dies once."

Ahh the safety and anonymity of the net."

You wrote something to this effect to me also. You're not one of those lame idiots who implies they could "whip every man in the place" during a stupid internet debate are you? Please, please, let us not go there. Doesn't have a thing to do with who's right and who's wrong, even if you could smash me with one hand.

Besides, you may be a beast for all I know, but I have a blue belt in BJJ and I go and get beaten up by some professional kickboxers once a week on average, so I do kind of okay in that regard myself

Glad you learned something from the Brazilians. You do know that most WNs consider them a mud race don't you? I see that you also read a lot of Conan the Barbarian comic books. Such a tragic end for a talented writer!

 

[C Darwin]

...the similarities between these type groups regardless of the race is very much the same.

Please share your data. I would like to analyze it myself and draw my own conclusion.

 

[Guest]

...the similarities between these type groups regardless of the race is very much the same.

Please share your data. I would like to analyze it myself and draw my own conclusion.

when I'm finished if you are still on this site I will send you a pdf file.

 

[C Darwin]

when I'm finished if you are still on this site I will send you a pdf file.

I am assuming that you are in the data collection phase of your research. If so, your abstract and methods for research should be complete. Would you mind sharing these so I may analyze your approach?

The only thing that you commented on is the mutual characteristic of self-affliction. Is that it? Is there anything more to support your statement? Are you premature in making that statement? Are you generalizing? Or are you here to F with some people?
Edited by: C Darwin

 

[Guest]

when I'm finished if you are still on this site I will send you a pdf file.

I am assuming that you are in the data collection phase of your research. If so, your abstract and methods for research should be complete. Would you mind sharing these so I may analyze your approach?

The only thing that you commented on is the mutual characteristic of self-affliction. Is that it? Is there anything more to support your statement? Are you preature in making that statement? Are you generalizing? Or are you here to F with some people?

Assumptions correct! I am still working on my thesis statement but I hope to compare/contrast the group dynamics of radical (not trying to offend anyone but just using the MSM definition) groups in the internet age. I'll keep it brief but some of my findings are:


1. Inability to distinguish between a physical and epistemic community: in a physical community the inhabitants share the same risks and opinions are widely varied, not so in a virtual community. I have found that the group, even those without a moderator enforce a rigid way of thinking.


2.Urban legends accepted as Gospel: two of the examples that I have found is (1) the belief that the CIA ran drugs into black neighborhoods in L.A [BN sites] and (2) Jews had a hand in 9-11 [WN sites]


It is hard not to generalize but I keep seeing some many recurring themes pop up. One theme is distrust/hatred of Jews. In my 43 years of living I don't think that I've come across anyone regardless of race that had a neutral viewpoint, even if they personally don't no any Jews.


3. For want of a better term, what I'll call "The Walter Mitty Syndrome:" When I was going through undergraduate studies I worked as a correctional officer. One thing that an inmate told me one day was that "prison is like Hollywood; you can be anything in here." I have found that many posters on nationalist sites devote quite a bit of time and effort to develop his or her virtual persona.


4.Moist Desquamation Syndrome: I'm being facetious, this is a medical term for thin skin in a child: Challenge the beliefs of the site and the amount of time before you get flamed is quick.This ties in with (1) I am actually trying to work in a statistical formula on the number of negative posts one receives vs the extreme right/left center of politics the site is.


I could go on but this paper i am working on will be part of my (hopefully) dissertation that maybe I can make some big bucks off of it. At least enough to pay off some student loans! Hope you found the information useful.

 

[White Shogun]

You might not get flamed as much as you think if you'd stop telling everyone to use spell check and stop correcting their grammar.

If you deliberately go to a site and write posts contrary to the point of view of the site, you should expect rebuttals. Have you done any research on Democrat and Republican websites, and tried mouthing off against the accepted view point there? I think you'd find that 'group think' isn't limited to blacks and WN's. White Savage has already pointed out that you will find more than a few members of this site who's primary political point of view is libertarian. There are a few Christians, pagans, there was even a pro-Zionist Jew who posted a while back, and, believe it or not, he was not continually roasted in flames, either.

I hope that in your research you will notice the difference in rebuttals that you receive on such a site as this one, as compared to say, the Black Planet. No one has yet told you to shove off, stop posting, called you an ignorant white mother f***er, etc. It has been my experience on the web that this is one of the most civil and polite bunch of posters on forums anywhere.

Nor should you conduct your research with your conclusion already determined. It seems to me that you have already set your opinions about the posters here and elsewhere, without having concluded the research itself. If you are a bit more open minded, you will see that not everyone, not even the majority, of people who post to CF do not think in 'lockstep.'

Many of those here came to this site, and stayed, because of the viewpoint that professional sports are skewed and biased in favor of blacks. Period. We've had many a spirited discussion about religion and politics, as well as race.

You have come across as both a person who is interested in actually debating issues, and as a troll, plain and simple. Its hard to pull off a combination of the two. I'd prefer, and hope, that you will contribute to the site with your knowledge of politics and what you have gleaned of race from your research, instead of insulting people and reciting poetry in hopes of a slam-dunk.

 

[White_Savage]

QUOTE]

Yes it has strayed far from the actual debate. BTY who said I was hating? FYI I'm a student during research, not that you or your ilk care. I'm researching group-think and the dynamics of nationalist groups. I know that you do not want to hear this but like I have stated before, the similarities between these type groups regardless of the race is very much the same. I just started posting here but I have been following the threads for quite a while.[/QUOTE]

I like how even when I attempt to sheathe the claws and have a conversation you remain an ass...you refer to people as "ilk" and expect not to get flamed? Do you go to sites for Blacks and do the like? I doubt it.

I suppose you will continue to ignore any differences in desired policy I point out between White and Black racialists. Information that does not fit the theory/agenda must not be allowed to slip through, after all. The chances that you are actually doing any kind of research, as opposed to trolling to get your jollies, I hold to be rather small, but we shall see.

Groupthink? The best example I know of is the average mainstream American, who cannot even intelligently consider ideas other than what the T.V. feeds them. Why is "racism" the central mortal sin of our society? Is hate morally evil in all cases? Are all races REALLY equal in every way? If we really believe all races are equal, then why are Blacks considered more athletic than Whites? Why is White under-representation in certain positions and sports not considered bad, as is a lack of Black QBs, or coachs, or baseball players or rocket scientist? But if we are not equal, why must only the shortcomings of Whites be spoken of? Why are most non-White groups, Blacks especially, more or less openly painted as equal to Whites except for the things they are superior at, damn any contrarian evidence?

Being White, I am concerned with these questions. But the average American it seems cannot rationally ponder them, anymore than a typical Medieval Christian could calmly ponder whether or not the heretics had a point, or if they might be on to something good with this witchcraft thing. If you want to research groupthink, investigate THAT. I myself, in case you're wondering, started out idealizing color-blindness from a rather Conservative perspective. I will not lie and say that I've never met personable Blacks, either. But somehow, I broke through the brainwashing to realize from hard evidence and personal experience that alot of things that are gospel in modern American society are so much BS-chief among them the myths that all groups are, on average, equally desirable as neighbors or what have you.

Conspiracy theories: Why attack someone who believes a conspiracy theory? It is very difficult to know what the government is doing, particularly if they are trying to hide something. They have lots of resources in that regard, so I don't make a great lot of claims about specific things they are trying to hide right now...only the things they don't bother to hide. However, look at all the things that come to light after the passage of years-The "Maine" explosion was the result of poor boiler maintneance, but just the excuse that Hearst and his political buddies needed to take Cuba. What about the fact that we had a plan for pre-emptive strike against Japan laid out in the 1930s? Didn't exactly publicize that one right after December 7, 1941, now did they? What about testing radioactive substances on mental patients, or hiring Howard Hughes and his companty to build a great bloody ship to raise a sunken Russian sub, all the while pretending to be sucking magnesium nodules off the sea bottom? All of this came straight from just my memory with no research, all of these things sound like crazy theories, yet all them are admitted facts the government doesn't even try to deny anymore. So, knowing what has transpired in the past, why is it so crazy to believe that the government MAY have known about the 9/!! plan, or be up to some other dirty business? Edited by: White_Savage

 

[Guest]

You might not get flamed as much as you think if you'd stop telling everyone to use spell check and stop correcting their grammar.

If you deliberately go to a site and write posts contrary to the point of view of the site, you should expect rebuttals. Have you done any research on Democrat and Republican websites, and tried mouthing off against the accepted view point there? I think you'd find that 'group think' isn't limited to blacks and WN's. White Savage has already pointed out that you will find more than a few members of this site who's primary political point of view is libertarian. There are a few Christians, pagans, there was even a pro-Zionist Jew who posted a while back, and, believe it or not, he was not continually roasted in flames, either.

I hope that in your research you will notice the difference in rebuttals that you receive on such a site as this one, as compared to say, the Black Planet. No one has yet told you to shove off, stop posting, called you an ignorant white mother f***er, etc. It has been my experience on the web that this is one of the most civil and polite bunch of posters on forums anywhere.

Nor should you conduct your research with your conclusion already determined. It seems to me that you have already set your opinions about the posters here and elsewhere, without having concluded the research itself. If you are a bit more open minded, you will see that not everyone, not even the majority, of people who post to CF do not think in 'lockstep.'

Many of those here came to this site, and stayed, because of the viewpoint that professional sports are skewed and biased in favor of blacks. Period. We've had many a spirited discussion about religion and politics, as well as race.

You have come across as both a person who is interested in actually debating issues, and as a troll, plain and simple. Its hard to pull off a combination of the two. I'd prefer, and hope, that you will contribute to the site with your knowledge of politics and what you have gleaned of race from your research, instead of insulting people and reciting poetry in hopes of a slam-dunk.

You have just skewed my statistical engine on reply posts all to hell!

But serious to answer some of your questions I do expect rebuttals. After all I am trying to infer causality. Is my research biased? I don't think so because I hit all sites with the same type questions. I have not yet come to any definitive conclusions but, and I'm not being patronizing, my conclusion is far from finished. My prof. says that my thesis statement is coming along good and believe me he is not a liberal. As for being insulted, yes this site is more civil. Having said that I have a question to ask; do you get insulted by replies? I don't because (1) trying to respond to a flame is like pissing in the wind and (2) it puts one in the position of trying to prove a negative. As for studying republican/democratic sites, good topic but thats not what I'm writing about. I also feel that I am getting a more honest response by my approach rather then asking questions.

 

[White_Savage]

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Glad you learned something from the Brazilians. You do know that most WNs consider them a mud race don't you? I see that you also read a lot of Conan the Barbarian comic books. Such a tragic end for a talented writer!

Another post, another opportunity to exude as much snide condescension as you can. What, is the plan to be as infuriating as possible, to "prove" what a bellicose lot those White racialists are?

Yeah, the Gracie name was originally Scots, but what do I care? They are the ones famous for showing how great grappling works, though as I recall BJJ when you get right down to it comes mostly from the Judo curriculum, and a certain Japanese wrestler and now a certain White wrestler have utterly dominated THE Gracie himself...but really, thats of no matter to me. I don't even dislike most Mestizos I've met on a personal basis, I just realize that if they are allowed to overrun this country in mass numbers, they will change the social and political landscape for the worse. Unlike gullible Whites, they realize they are a race and will work together for their own interest.

Keep in mind, YOU are the one who brought up the "safety" of the internet, implying we would somehow be afraid to discuss our opinions frankly with you in person.

Going after my sigline now? My, my, you are trying to be as abrasive as possible aren't you? Yes, I've read alot of REH, yes, he was very talented, his Conan stories no exception. Haven't read many of the comic books, that quote was not from a comic book, they certainly wouldn't put it in anything in the late 20th century, nor was it even from a Conan story.

(As an aside, I suppose we can thank John Milius for making the first movie the most pro-White film that can slip past the gates today, even though it doesn't have much to do with REH's original Conan. You must just hate that movie.)

Anyway, given the results of realistic fighting competition, to say nothing of open warfare, why quibble with the quotation? Seems like there is alot of ancedotal evidence to back it up.

 

[Guest]

QUOTE]

Yes it has strayed far from the actual debate. BTY who said I was hating? FYI I'm a student during research, not that you or your ilk care. I'm researching group-think and the dynamics ofnationalist groups. I know that you do not want to hear this but like I have stated before, the similarities between these type groups regardless of the race is very much the same. I just started posting here but I have been following the threads for quite a while.

I like how even when I attempt to sheathe the claws and have a conversation you remain an ass...you refer to people as "ilk" and expect not to get flamed? [/QUOTE]


And I quote from The American Heritage College Dictionary (c) 2000


ILK:


n. Type or kind: people of that ilk._ pron. Scots. The same. Used following a name to indicate that the one named resides in an area bearing the same name: Duncan of that ilk.

 

[White_Savage]

Going Clintonesque on me now? "Ilk" has a negative connotation, you know this to be true, particularly in the context of "your ilk won't care what fine intellectual stuff I'm doing with my time" or some such. And you know this.

 

[Guest]

[


Glad you learned something from the Brazilians. You do know that most WNs consider them a mud race don't you? I see that you also read a lot of Conan the Barbarian comic books. Such a tragic end for a talented writer!

Another post, another opportunity to exude as much snide condescension as you can. What, is the plan to be as infuriating as possible, to "prove" what a bellicose lot those White racialists are?

Yeah, the Gracie name was originally Scots, but what do I care? They are the ones famous for showing how great grappling works, though as I recall BJJ when you get right down to it comes mostly from the Judo curriculum, and a certain Japanese wrestler and now a certain White wrestler have utterly dominated THE Gracie himself...but really, thats of no matter to me. I don't even dislike most Mestizos I've met on a personal basis, I just realize that if they are allowed to overrun this country in mass numbers, they will change the social and political landscape for the worse. Unlike gullible Whites, they realize they are a race and will work together for their own interest.

Keep in mind, YOU are the one who brought up the "safety" of the internet, implying we would somehow be afraid to discuss our opinions frankly with you in person.

Going after my sigline now? My, my, you are trying to be as abrasive as possible aren't you? Yes, I've read alot of REH, yes, he was very talented, his Conan stories no exception. Haven't read many of the comic books, that quote was not from a comic book, they certainly wouldn't put it in anything in the late 20th century, nor was it even from a Conan story.

(As an aside, I suppose we can thank John Milius for making the first movie the most pro-White film that can slip past the gates today, even though it doesn't have much to do with REH's original Conan. You must just hate that movie.)

Anyway, given the results of realistic fighting competition, to say nothing of open warfare, why quibble with the quotation? Seems like there is alot of ancedotal evidence to back it up.

No argument from me about the quote. BTW I haven't read many of R.E.H. books but I practically grew up on the comics. I thought that all of the movies sucked though. Do me one favor though please; reread what I wrote to Darwinist about what my paper is about. You bring up some valid points but once again I have already committed myself to the topic that I am writing about.

 

[C Darwin]

I have not yet come to any definitive conclusions but, and I'm not being patronizing, my conclusion is far from finished.

However, you also posted:

All nationalist sites have to have a scapegoat to point to instead of taking a hard look in the mirror and facing the fact that some of their problems might be self-afflicted.

The similarities between white and black nationalist sites is truly amazing!

These statements require data and analysis in order to be supported. What is yours? But you are not finished?

Those are all interesting things to say about nationalist blogs. What I am interested in is your tool for data collection. What is your qualitative and quantitave approach? How are your observations organized? My concern is that you are using anecdotal observations regarding your "findings".

I taught myself how to use the spell check function. Glad to see you found the douche bag check function.