RbyR scoring of the Valuev-Haye fight. Valuev won

[werewolf]

I watched the fight on tape, very carefully, and that was an





ordeal because it was one of the - if not the - worst so-called





heavyweight championship fights in history, and I watched it





with the objective of leaning over backwards to give Haye the





benefit of every doubt to see if there was any possible way the





judges could have legitimately come up with a decision in his





favor. There was not. The best I could come up with was a draw





for Haye which means Valuev retained his belt.











Round 1. Even. Each landed about 1 punch (announcers scored it





for Valuev)





2. Haye. Backing away but he landed the only decent punch of the





round.





3. Haye. He landed a couple of punches.





4. Clear round for V.





5. V again. He's the aggressor and lands more good punches.





6. V again. Same.





7. Draw. Neither effective (announcers had it for V)





8. Haye. He was more effective.





9. Haye again. Same.





10. V easily. More aggressive and effective.





11. V. Both inefective but V landed a couple.





12. Clearly Haye.











Thus a 5-5 draw was the best I could come up with giving Haye





the benefit of every doubt. The British tv announcers had





Valuev clearly ahead. Where is the scorecard of the American





and Italian judges who scored it 116-112 in favor of Haye?





Those were fraudulent scores. Also, why did Haye start





celebrating before the decision was rendered? He appeared to





know in advance what the outcome would be, even though the fight





was very close and in Valuev's territory, and traditionally the





champ retains his belt if the fight is close. And then Valuev





and his corner stood there meekly accepting the spurious





decision. They all seemed to know in advance. I believe that





the fight was fixed and Valuev and his team were in on it. I





don't know how hard Valuev was trying, but the boxing





establishment (to use a nice term for them) felt that the





flamboyant Haye could make them a lot more money than could the





stolid and unhealthy Valuev.

 

[whiteathlete33]

Werewolf, your assumption is correct that Valuev won the fight. I had him winning by at least a round, possibly two. Considering the fight was in Germany there was no excuse for Haye to get the W. Valuev actually appeared to be trying unlike in the Holyfield fight where it looked like he was sleep walking the entire time. Again that could have just been an act by him. I don't think Valuev was in on the fix. I believe it was the judges and PTB.

 

[space hillbilly]

Agree 100%, also neither Valuev or any of his teamever demanded their rematch, eventho it was part of the contract. Plus, Valuev hasn't fought since, pushing two years now. Edited by: lost

 

[whiteathlete33]

If Wladimir wins the Haye fight it will be all worth it. Wlad will then hold three heavyweight belts and Haye will be embarrassed. Let's hope that's the way it works out!

 

[Spartan]

I hope Wlad stays cool and doesn't allow anger to control him and go for a quick KO, cause this is the only way the Ghaye can get a chance to win with a lucky punch. Wlad should punish this big mouthed black boy for 12 rounds and KO him late.

 

[space hillbilly]

I am convincedthat Haye isone of, if not the biggest fraudsters in the history of boxing. I was really shocked after going over his record at just how poor it was.
David Haye's only amateur accomplishment was a silver medal in the 2001 world championships.Wladimir Klitschko was a six times national champion, four times European champion, two times world champion, world military champion and Olympic champion..

After Haye turned pro his first eleven opponents had a combined record of 169-172-15.
His 12th fight he was knocked out by 40 year old Carl Thompson.
What was surprising is that Haye's resume even at cruiserweight is almost devoid of any named fighters, no Cunningham or Adamek or Huck or Bell or Dawson.
Only two of his fights have been outside England and even tho he was called the "Unified" champion he never held the IBF title and never once defended his unified title.

David Haye's top wins are:
Giacobbe Fragomeni, TKO 9, an undersized 38 year old.

Jean Marc Mormeck, TKO 7, also over the hill and knocked Haye down.

Enzo Maccarinelli, TKO 2, Enzo was annihilated every time he stepped up.

Nikolay Valuev 12 decision, he lost to Valuev....

 

[whiteathlete33]

I think it's safe to say that Enzo is a bum. Haye did destroy him but after that loss to Haye he was KO'd three more times.

 

[space hillbilly]

I think it's safe to say that Enzo is a bum. Haye did destroy him but after that loss to Haye he was KO'd three more times.

And also he was KO'd in the same fashion by other fighters...

 

[werewolf]

And the Gaye boy avoided Adamek and Cunningham when he was a cruiserweight.

 

[werewolf]

Werewolf, your assumption is correct that Valuev won the fight. I had him winning by at least a round, possibly two. Considering the fight was in Germany there was no excuse for Haye to get the W. Valuev actually appeared to be trying unlike in the Holyfield fight where it looked like he was sleep walking the entire time. Again that could have just been an act by him. I don't think Valuev was in on the fix. I believe it was the judges and PTB.

I think that Valuev and his corner were in on it. They stood there like fools with their thumbs in their mouths when the phony decision was rendered, evincing no shock or surprise or outrage, and meanwhile dumb ass Haye couldn't restrain himself from starting his celebrations before the decision. I've never seen anything like that before. In a close fight both fighters are normally standing there on pins and needles awaiting the decision, but Haye was dancing on the ropes. My best guess is that Valuev was told that if he couldn't KO Haye he'd lose. Valuev is no angel either. He was guided all along the line by the Russian mob. What the mob giveth they taketh away.

 

[alln2]

I see that you based your scoring only on punches, but that is not the only thing that matters. The attitude of the boxers also matters when scoring.

gaye was running whole fight away from Valuev. Once or twice a round, he would do "drive-by" boxing, launching himself forward to catch Valuev by suprise. After that, he was again running away from Valuev. I would have deducted a point many rounds for gaye for running away and not engaging his opponent.

What a joke this decision was. gaye becomes "champion" after running away from his opponent basically the whole fight. Is that what a champion is supposed to do? Only in a marxist world is this possible.

gaye is the biggest boxing fraud that I ever saw.

Edited by: alln2

 

[space hillbilly]

I see that you based your scoring only on punches, but that is not the only thing that matters. The attitude of the boxers also matters when scoring.

gaye was running whole fight away from Valuev. Once or twice a round, he would do "drive-by" boxing, launching himself forward to catch Valuev by suprise. After that, he was again running away from Valuev. I would have deducted a point many rounds for gaye for running away and not engaging his opponent.

What a joke this decision was. gaye becomes "champion" after running away from his opponent basically the whole fight. Is that what a champion is supposed to do? Only in a marxist world is this possible.

gaye is the biggest boxing fraud that I ever saw.

There's an old saying in boxing that the "Challenger" must take the champion's title.
It was used many times by the talking heads in the sports media explain why negro greats like Ali and Holmes were beat from pillow to post but still won their fights.

George Chuvalo put Ali in the Hospital but lost almost every round on the judges cards..
Anybody knows sitting at ringside they could hear the shots from Chuvalo were much harder than ali's little "Tap,Tap, arm punches were............

 

[whiteathlete33]

ALLN2 makes a very good point. If you are the challenger and you want the judges to score the fight in your favor you have to be the aggressor. You have to attack the champion and show that you want his belt. Gaye did none of that.

In all honesty can this so called "champ" Gaye be happy with himself. Old Man Ruiz was landing a hell of a lot of shots through his poor defense, he was knocked down by Monte Barrett though it was ruled a "slip" and he ran from Valuev for the entire fight with exception of the last round.

 

[werewolf]

I see that you based your scoring only on punches, but that is not the only thing that matters. The attitude of the boxers also matters when scoring.

gaye was running whole fight away from Valuev. Once or twice a round, he would do "drive-by" boxing, launching himself forward to catch Valuev by suprise. After that, he was again running away from Valuev. I would have deducted a point many rounds for gaye for running away and not engaging his opponent.

What a joke this decision was. gaye becomes "champion" after running away from his opponent basically the whole fight. Is that what a champion is supposed to do? Only in a marxist world is this possible.

gaye is the biggest boxing fraud that I ever saw.

There's an old saying in boxing that the "Challenger" must take the champion's title.
<div>It was used many times by the talking heads in the sports media explain why negro greats like Ali and Holmes were beat from pillow to post but still won their fights.</div>
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<div>George Chuvalo put Ali in the Hospital but lost almost every round on the judges cards..</div>
<div>Anybody knows sitting at ringside they could hear the shots from Chuvalo were much harder than ali's little "Tap,Tap, arm punches were............</div>

I agree with you. Didn't you see where I said I was bending over backwards to try to give Gaye the benefit of every doubt, trying to see if there was any conceivable way he could have legitimately been called the winner and taken Valuev's title away from him? There wasn't.

It's the referee's job to see that fighters stand and fight and don't just run away tossing an occasional pot shot as Gaye did. Otherwise a heavyweight could be fighting a featherweight and the smaller faster guy could just run away all night. And it's the judges job to score the fight accordingly.

The fight is on Youtube, but it ends with the final bell. It doesn't show Gaye's premature celebration prior to the verdict, and Valuev &amp; Co. standing there sucking on their thumbs.

I'll see if I can find Chuvalo-Ali video. So then that's yet another one to add to the long list of phony crooked wins by that daddy of all big mouthed hype jobs!

 

[Thrashen]

There's an old saying in boxing that the "Challenger" must take the champion's title.
<div>It was used many times by the talking heads in the sports media explain why negro greats like Ali and Holmes were beat from pillow to post but still won their fights.</div>

Yes, the "Challenger Must Knock-Out the Champion"Â￾ expression is very popular amongst the boxing commentators, analysts, former fighters, journalists, judges, etc.

If a championship fight ends in even a relatively close decision (1-3 rounds of separation), the fight should always be awarded to the champion and a rematch should be strongly considered in the coming months.

However, let's say that Shannon Briggs was the heavyweight champion during the fight in which he was nearly made permanently comatose by Vitali Klitschko"¦the decision (and belt) would certainly be awarded to the challenger.

Diva Ghaye not only failed to KO the champion"¦he also failed to win a close decision in a sleep-inducing, no-action, lame, wimpy (so-called) "championship boxing match."Â￾ Prior to the decision being rendered in his favor, he was jumping and prancing around the ring like a cheerleader"¦which, ironically, was the most physical activity exhibited by either athlete during this entire dubious evening.