Portsmouth Invitational pre-Draft camp

[Jimmy Chitwood]

take a look at the rosters and a brief rundown of some of the players.

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<TD colSpan=2 itxtvisited="1">The rosters for the 2009 Portsmouth Invitational Tournament (official site) were released today, and it appears that we're looking at the strongest group of NCAA assembled in quite some time. Nine players currently projected to be drafted on our latest mock draft have committed to attend the tournament (scheduled next week from the 8th-11th), while we're counting between 15-20 seniors who are strong draft candidates on the rosters as well. There are a couple of headliners as well, including Sam Young. Lee Cummard and A.J. Price, three clear-cut candidates to be the first Portsmouth players drafted since Jason Maxiellin 2006. <BR itxtvisited="1"><BR itxtvisited="1">It's no surprise that the PIT committee managed to bring together such a talented group of seniorsâ€â€￾this currently stands as the one and only place for <NOBR id=itxt_nobr_8_0 style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 100%">NBA </NOBR>draft prospects to compete in a five on five setting now that the pre-draft camp has been dramatically scaled back. The tournament is expected to draw as much attention as ever from NBA personnel this time around, for two reasons. One, due to the strength of the senior crop, and two, because of the makeup of this year's Nike Hoop Summit crop, which doesn't elicit the same sense as urgency as it did in the past. <BR itxtvisited="1"><BR itxtvisited="1">The rosters are as follow, and you'll find an additional analysis posted below of the players we consider to be the "studs", "sleepers", "snubs," "dummies" and those with the most to gain from a strong showing.

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while i certainly disagree with who they label as "studs," this pre-draft camp/tourney has several gifted white players in attendance. several have the talent and game to be future NBA players.


the white men in attendance:Lee Cummard, Micah Downs, Ben Woodside, Jon Brockman, Aron Baynes, Jimmy Baron, Ryan Toolson, Connor Atchley, John Bryant, Goran Suton, Scott VanderMeer, Michael Bramos, Kyle McAlarney, Gary Wilkinson, and Alex Ruoff.


a notable absence from the list is UMass power forward/center Tony Gaffney. Gaffney was possibly the best all-around defender in college basketball this season.


best of luck, gentlemen!

 

[guest301]

I will be very interested with how these three white guys perform in particular, Brockman, Woodside and Downs. There has to be a place in the NBA for someone like Brockman,a little undersized but a Barkely type bull inside, has a post up game and a jumpshot and more athletic than people think, I remember seeing him do well in a McDonalds All-American dunk contest four years ago. Woodside is the white Ty Lawson except I think Woodside is better and thats saying something because Lawson is a likely lottery pick and a great player. As for Downs, lets hope he finally lives up to his potential, he's a very good athlete and has the long and lean body type that the typical black small forward in the NBA has.

 

[j41181]

the white men in attendance: Lee Cummard, Micah Downs, Ben Woodside, Jon Brockman, Aron Baynes, Jimmy Baron, Ryan Toolson, Connor Atchley, John Bryant, Goran Suton, Scott VanderMeer, Michael Bramos, Kyle McAlarney, Gary Wilkinson, and Alex Ruoff.

a notable absence from the list is UMass power forward/center Tony Gaffney. Gaffney was possibly the best all-around defender in college basketball this season.

best of luck, gentlemen!

Wow, several whites in attendance. Good luck to all of them! I hope several of them (I prefer all them) make it to the NBA. Not only make it, but become solid and very good NBA players.

 

[Jimmy Chitwood]

there were two games on day one. here's a brief rundown on the whites who played.

John Bryant - the only white man on his team, he didn't get many touches but he was very efficient when he did. 3-5 shooting for 7 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists, and 1 steal in 17 minutes.

Micah Downs - played a game-high 32 minutes and was a FORCE on defense! game-high 4 blocks and a steal complimented his efficient offensive night. 3-7 shooting for 8 points, 5 rebounds, and 2 assists.

Gary Wilkinson - a solid, efficient night for the strong power forward. 4-8 shooting for 11 points, game-high 9 rebounds, and 1 blocked shot in 19 minutes.

Alex Ruoff - struggled mightily with his shot from 3-point range where he was only 1-7. still, otherwise he played well. 6-17 shooting for 13 points, 5 rebounds, game-high 4 steals, and tied for a game-high 6 assists (with 3 turnovers) in 33 minutes.

Kyle McAlarney - wasn't hitting his outside shot, so he didn't put up many numbers, but he played excellent defense. 1-9 (1-6 from 3-point range) shooting for 5 points in 27 minutes.

Scott VanderMeer - the 7-footer had a solid all-around game. shot 4-12 for 10 points and pulled down 11 rebounds. he also had a game-high 4 blocks and a steal.

Michael Bramos - didn't do much offensively, but played great defense. 2-7 shooting for 6 points, 2 rebounds, 1 assist and 1 steal with 0 turnovers in 27 minutes.

Aron Baynes - very efficient, as usual. 4-8 shooting for 8 points and a team-high 11 rebounds in 21 minutes.

Jimmy Baron - 3-point sniper couldn't find the range. 4-17 shooting (4-14 from 3-point land) for 12 points in 29 minutes. added 4 rebounds and 2 assists with just 1 turnover.

Tony Gaffney - a late addition to Portsmouth, flew all over the floor but the missed practice sessions were in effect, because he was just a bit out of synch offensively. 2-7 shooting for 4 points, 8 rebounds, 2 assists, a steal, and only 1 turnover in 28 minutes.

 

[guest301]

It's so cool to get info like this on white players by simply logging in at Caste Football. Good work JimmyC. I am glad that Micah Downs is doing so well, maybe he is better suited for the pro game.

 

[Jimmy Chitwood]

well, i've been busy the last few days and obviously didn't update the thread. my bad. but our guys made a serious impact, and hopefully that will translate to getting a shot at the next level ...

i'll start with one of my favorite players, Micah Downs.

in his final game (they played 3 games) of the week, he posted a Double-Double from his two-guard spot with 11 points, 12 rebounds, and 5 assists to only 2 turnovers.

for the Tourney, he averaged 9 points, 7.3 rebounds, 3.7 assists, and 1.3 blocked shots. he didn't shoot the ball from the perimeter as well as he normally does, but he still managed to impress everyone who watched him play. he was named Second-team All Tournament.

here's some quotes from scouts assessing his performance during the week.

-Micah Downs had another solid game today, making a couple athletic plays all over the floor, and playing aggressively on both ends. His ball handling ability still leaves a lot to be desired, but he stood out today with his physical tools and activity level, despite only tallying 8 points and 5 rebounds. Considering his size and athleticism for a wing, he may have the most potential of any player here in Portsmouth, which has helped him create a nice little buzz amongst teams we've talked to.

Micah Downs showed better defensive intensity today than we're used to seeing from him, looking very good defending the perimeter and blocking four shots. He also knocked down a couple of three pointers as well, and had a very athletic dunk in transition. He likely helped himself with the way he played.

Most of the interest in Downs stems from his prototypical physical tools. Measuring in at a somewhat dubious 6-9 in shoes, with a 6-9 ½ wingspan, he has great size to play on the wing -an asset that helped him immensely on both ends this week. He couples his size with excellent athleticism, possessing a physical profile that appears tailor-made for the NBA. While he could certainly stand to add some muscle to his slender (197 pound) frame, Downs looks the part of an NBA prospect.

Though his weaknesses were very much evident, this was regardless a great week for Downs, as he gave NBA decision-makers a thorough reminder of how much upside he has. He has a number of great tools, and if he can bring the same intensity he showed on the defensive end at the PIT to practice every day to work on his ball-handling, he should have no trouble getting a look from a NBA team.

During his time in Spokane, Downs threw down a handful of highlight reel dunks and made his fair share of big plays in transition, but he utilized his athleticism far more effectively than anticipated this week. Though he's always possessed the ideal tools to be a great defender, he did not always consistently show the dedication necessary to employ them. That wasn't the case in Portsmouth, as Downs came out on the first day and blocked four shots, created all kind of issues for his man in one-on-one situations, and didn't take a play off. Though Downs didn't have another game that was as statistically productive on the defensive end as his first, his intensity didn't waver. If this is something we can look forward to in the future, Downs has a bright future as a high-level stopper.

Downs was able to overcome his poor outside shooting by finishing a number of athletic plays at the rim by running the floor hard in transition, taking advantage of a couple of offensive rebounds, and throwing down a couple of alley-oops when his defender helped off him. This is indicative of the way Downs has scored in recent years, doing nearly all of his scoring from beyond the arc and right at the rim. Though he did some good things offensively, his biggest weakness was exposed repeatedly when he tried to get to the rim in half-court settings.

Downs is a poor ball-handler, and at this point, that is one of the few things holding him back from being a very serious threat to make a NBA roster. He appears capable with the ball in the open court, but he can't seem to maintain control when he puts the ball on the floor in half-court sets. Considering the fact that he has a solid first step, Downs would be well served to spend considerable time honing his ball-handling skills wherever he lands next season.

other than the emboldened portion in the one quote, i already knew these things, but it's nice to see him getting the credit he deserves. btw, have these scouts never seen Downs play before?!?

seriously! he's been a shutdown defender all year.

 

[Jimmy Chitwood]

now, on to some of the other standouts!

i should note before i go any further, that there is a lot of really stupid caste speak in the scouts' analysis.

Alex Ruoff 6-6, Shooting Guard, West Virginia
- averaged 14 points, 6.3 assists (2nd in the tourney by a fraction), 2 turnovers, 4 rebounds, 3 steals (tied for 1st in the tourney), 51% FG. his assist-to-turnover ratio was #1 for all players who had 10 or more assists. Ruoff had 19.

he was named Second-team All Tournament.

Although his shot wasn't falling at the same rate it normally does, Alex Ruoff regardless had a pretty strong showing at the Portsmouth Invitational Tournament, putting his versatility as a 6-6 guard on full display.

Ruoff has excellent size for the guard position, being capable of playing any of the three perimeter positions at 6-6. He actually came in at 6-8 in shoes according to the official measurements. Ruoff spent a great deal of time at the point guard spot for West Virginia, and he showed the ball-handling skills, smarts and court vision to do a solid job there, even if he's obviously not a natural playmaker.

so, he had all those assists with only a handful of turnovers ... but he's not really good at playmaking?

idiot!

Sporting a mediocre first step by NBA standards, combined with a poor wingspan and below average explosiveness around the basket, Ruoff is not what you could call a prolific slasher. He is very crafty in his ability to maximize the athletic ability at the college level, showing nice footwork, solid ball-handling skills with either hand, excellent touch finishing off the glass, and great savvy in terms of drawing fouls. Still, it's questionable whether these skills would translate to an NBA level. At Portsmouth he did show very good ability to operate out of the quick actions of the flex offense his team ran, making quick, aggressive moves towards the basket coming off screens from 15-17 feet, which helped compensate for his just-average first step.

Ruoff isn't quick enough to penetrate, but he's "crafty" and "skilled" enough to get separation on his jumper or get in the lane and either score or draw fouls ... seriously, do these guys even read the retarded stuff they write?

-Alex Ruoff didn't have a good day shooting the ball, going 6-17 from the field and 1-7 from three, but showed good court vision and was a vocal leader for his team. He was very aggressive defensively, coming up with a number of loose balls and tallying four steals in total. Considering that he made 2.7 3-pointers per game at West Virginia on 37% shooting, his struggles from beyond the arc probably aren't the end of the world.

Defensively, Ruoff lacks great length (he measured a 6-7 wingspan) and lateral quickness, which was exposed when trying to defend some of the more athletic wing players he was matched up with at times in the Big East, but he's more than capable of compensating for that with his excellent blend of smarts and fundamentals. He has excellent size and puts a great effort in, is always talking to his teammates, and shows nice anticipation skills in the passing lanes as well.

despite the fact that he was one of the elite defenders at Portsmouth, he really isn't a good defender ...

i don't know what to say to that kind of "analysis."

Edited by: Jimmy Chitwood

 

[Jimmy Chitwood]

Jon Brockman 6-7, PF, Washington
15.3 Points (8th in the tourney), 16.3 Rebounds (led the tourney), 2.3 Assists, 1.3 Steals, 3.3 Turnovers, 45.2% FG, 72.7% FT

Brockman was named First-team All Tournament, but he possibly deserved to be the MVP (he or Gary Wilkinson were the two most consistently dominant players but the MVP was of course given to a negro with lesser numbers).

The former McDonald's All-American set the tone for the week with a 21 rebound performance in his first game in Portsmouth. Despite his team dropping their game in the consolation bracket, few players performed as well as Brockman. Though his height hurts his upside, he was easily one of the most interesting prospects from an NBA perspective at this year's edition of the PIT.

Only measuring in at 6-7 without shoes, with a very underwhelming 6-7 ¾ wingspan, Brockman is clearly undersized for the power forward position, and he doesn't make up for it with elite athleticism. His 252-pound frame is his biggest asset from a purely physical perspective. Built like a tank, the former Husky loves to throw his weight around on the block, playing with great toughness and a high motor. Though he's not a great athlete, Brockman shows decent leaping ability for his size on the move, and could become an even better physical specimen if he continues to work on his athleticism. His size will always be one of the biggest knocks against him, making it that much more important that he maximize the other parts of his game.

Jon Brockman had one of the more dominant performances we've seen thus far at Portsmouth, showing off his outstanding rebounding abilities to pull in an amazing 21 rebounds in 30 minutes. Brockman threw his body around all game, showing no hesitation to bang with Ahmad Nivins and Russell Hicks. Brockman's combination of excellent timing, hands, and mobility to pursue in combination with his ridiculously high motor played a big role in his performance.

Other than rebounding, Brockman was a force scoring in the paint as well, often on putbacks, but also on catch-and-finishes and a few occasional post moves. He shows good touch in the post and a solid base of moves, but he struggled getting separation from his opponent on his moves, not having much range. While Brockman occasionally shows good vertical explosiveness when he has time to gather himself or gets momentum going on the run, he isn't able to power up from other positions, not being a very good overall athlete, something that will hold him back if he doesn't improve.

in the aforementioned game, Brockman scored 24 points and pulled down 21 rebounds (13 offensive), but somehow he's really not a good enough athlete when compared to the guys he is destroying ...

wow. you couldn't make this stuff up!

Brockman cooled off a bit from yesterday, but still managed to pull in 16 rebounds while scoring 11 points. Brockman diversified his game by hitting a couple of spot-up 15-foot jumpers (a significant development for him) and he continued to make his presence felt in the paint by throwing his body around and using his magnet hands to pull down boards over the opposition. In the pre-game, Brockman's teammate were putting on a dunk contest and Brockman demonstrated a bit more of his explosive vertical leap that we were surprised to see yesterday, but he still hasn't found a way to translate it to actual game situations, being seemingly unable to power up from most basketball positions. Whoever Brockman trains with this summer, he should put an emphasis on trying to mix that into his game, as well as continuing to hone his mid-range jump-shot. Brockman continues to be mentioned by scouts here as a sleeper prospect to slip in the second round.

 

[Jimmy Chitwood]

Gary Wilkinson 6-9, PF, Utah St
16.7 Points (4th in the tourney), 11.7 Rebounds (second in the tourney), .33 Assists, 71.4% FG (best in the tourney BY A LOT!), 61.5% FT

a First-team All Tournament selection, Wilkinson possibly should've been named the MVP (see the above post for further clarification). to put it simply, the only way this powerful power forward with the nimble feet could be stopped was by his coach keeping him on the bench. in his first game, he only played 19 minutes, but still had 11 points, 9 rebounds, a steal, and a blocked shot.

in game 2, he played 32 minutes and had a game-high 15 rebounds to go along with 13 points on just 9 shots. in game 3, he played 36 minutes and snared 11 rebounds while scoring 26 points on 10-11 shooting!

still, it is doubtful that the NBA is in love with him.

-Gary Wilkinson only played 19 minutes today, but he finished the game with 11 points and 9 rebounds. His work ethic, fundamentals in the post, mid-range jumper and high basketball IQ allowed him to take advantage of his opportunities today.

Gary Wilkinson had another strong performance here, further increasing his stock for, at the very least, the many European league executives that came to scout this event. He hit a number of mid-range jumpers thanks to his superb touch, even showing range out to the three-point line, and also showed some crafty footwork in the paint, which led to some mixed results. He's one of the biggest hustlers you'll find at this tournament, grabbing 15 rebounds in 32 minutes today. Wilkinson draws some comparisons to Brian Scalabrine due to their obvious similarities in their build, hair color (fiery red) and comparable games, but at age 26, he is probably a long shot for the NBA.

not exactly glowing praise for this unstoppable big man.

 

[StarWars]

Those last two quotes literally had like half thee caste sayings that are even possible: "work ethic, fundamentals, high-basketball IQ, superb touch, crafty footwork," and my favorite "biggest hustler." Then they compared him to another white guy. It's like they were trying...

 

[Jimmy Chitwood]

Jimmy Baron 6-3, SG, Rhode Island
19.3 Points (#2 in the tourney), 3.7 Rebounds, 1.33 steals, 42.6% FG, 43.2% 3-pt FG, 8 assists in 3 games with just 2 turnovers.

arguably the best 3-point shooter in college basketball last season, Rhode Island's Jimmy Baron didn't disappoint in Portsmouth, setting two tournament records. In the finals of the consolation bracket, Baron set the single game three point record by knocking down nine 3 pointers. The previous record was six by Tony Bobbitt (Cincinnati - 1994).

Baron also broke the tournament record for total three pointers made with 16. The previous record was 13 by Bobbitt and Askia Jones, both in 1994.

still, the scouts didn't seem too impressed with the lights-out shooter, as summarized by this analysis after his second game.

Jimmy Baron- Had a very strong second half en route to a 13 point performance. He made shots from all over the floor but also showed a strong basketball IQ with some excellent passes and plenty of unselfishness. His physical limitations are obvious, and he's clearly not a point guard, but this coach's son will surely make a team happy overseas.

yep. there's no place in the NBA for a dead-eye 3-point shooter. just ask J.J. Redick.

 

[Jimmy Chitwood]

Michael Bramos 6-5, SG, Miami (Ohio)
9.7 Points, 2.0 Rebounds, 2.0 Steals, 1.0 Blocked Shots, 8 assists in 3 games with just 1 turnover! 43% FG

Michael Bramos is a player most fans have never seen. that's too bad, because he's an excellent athlete and an even better basketball player (he's a guy i absolutely love to watch!). he displayed his normal all-around excellence on both ends of the court in Portsmouth. even the scouts came away impressed, and since he's white that should tell you how REALLY good he is.

-We liked the way Michael Bramos played in his first gameâ€â€￾highly unselfish, always looking to make the extra pass (which may have hurt him at times), but still showing his excellent athleticism and strong perimeter shooting ability.

that shows you right there that the NBA is an f-ed up league! making the extra pass to get a teammate a wide open look actually hurts a player's evaluation ... wow. just wow.

-Michael Bramos had an excellent day two showing, helping his team advance to the championship game with a real all-around performance. He made shots from the perimeter, moved the ball around the floor unselfishly, played excellent perimeter defense, got in the passing lanes, and generally showed his very high basketball IQ. He looked limited as a ball-handler, but didn't seem to try and force the issue too much, contributing to his team's ball-movement as a facilitator. He may not be an NBA player at this point in time, but he's surely going to play at a very high level professionally.

After coming on strong as a junior, Michael Bramos capped off a strong senior campaign with a nice week in Portsmouth. A powerfully built wing with very solid overall athleticism, he was one of the more impressive players in attendance, looking very comfortable playing a complementary role. Unlike many of the other participants in the PIT, Bramos didn't force anything, which allowed him to perform well and give his professional stock a boost in the process.

The best things Bramos showed this week were good decision-making ability and a high motor. Never known as a great ball handler during his time in Oxford, Bramos never tried to drive into the heart of the defense, earning his trips to the rim in other ways. He ran the floor relentlessly in transition, moved well without the ball, and worked well off of his teammates. His shot selection looked substantially better than it did during his senior season, and he showed good defensive effort. The savvy and high basketball IQ Bramos displayed allowed him to effectively display nearly all of his strengths in the three games he played in.

Essentially a power guard, the 221-pound Bramos looked good scoring from the inside and outside this week. Bramos can hit the three, but his form isn't ideal, his release is a bit deliberate, and his consistency still needs to improve. He'll hit some open shots, but should definitely take the time to become a bigger threat from beyond the arc. Bramos did show decent consistency when he got looks around the basket, showing good body control and playing above the rim when the opportunity presented itself. Considering his excellent build, the fact that Bramos is willing to aggressively attack defenders at the rim should serve him well as a pro.

Outside of his scoring, Bramos also showed his basketball IQ in the way he moved the ball on the perimeter. A smart passer with good court vision, Bramos did a good job making the extra pass and hitting the open man. His unselfishness will certainly earn him some playing time as he develops the other parts of his game. The same can be said for his defense.

Bramos showed excellent intensity on the defensive end, and while he has only average lateral quickness, his incredibly long arms (6-11 ¾ wingspan) and excellent work ethic make him quite a stopper. Few wing players block shots as well as he does, and his excellent awareness and discipline are apparent.

 

[Jimmy Chitwood]

other less-heralded guys who played some good basketball:

Connor Atchley 6-10, PF/C, Texas
6.3 Points, 4.7 Rebounds, and 3.0 Blocked shots (tied for the tourney high)

Scott VanderMeer 7- , C,
8.7 Points, 7.7 Rebounds, 1.7 Steals, 1.7 Blocked Shots

Taylor Rochestie 6- , PG, Washington St.
7.3 Points, 1.3 Rebounds, 5.0 assists, 2.0 Steals, perfect from the free throw line, and averaged just 2.0 turnovers

Tony Gaffney 6-8, PF, Massachusetts
6.3 Points, 6.3 Rebounds, 1.0 Steals, .7 Blocked Shots

Gaffney was probably the best all-around defender in college basketball last season and certainly the best complete defender for big men. his length, quickness, and agility make him effective on the defensive end both on the block and on the perimeter.

Though Gaffney didn't put up a terribly productive stat line today, he displayed some very interesting tools. Mostly known in college for his tremendous defensive presence and effort level, Gaffney wasn't asked to do much scoring for UMass, making the most of the touches he earned coming from his hustle and ability to run the floor. While he has played well defensively in both of the games he's played in, he showed some offensive promise that his collegiate role didn't give him the opportunity to showcase. Looking beyond the box score, we came away intrigued with what we saw today.

A very athletic forward with a slender frame, Gaffney exploited his excellent quickness on a couple of occasions today, beating his defender off the dribble on three memorable occasions. Not usually prone to putting the ball on the floor, his ability to get to the rim was quite impressive. Once in the lane, Gaffney used quick fakes to get his man off balance before spinning over his left shoulder for hook shots. Considering his length and quickness, it is safe to say that Gaffney has a lot of potential if he continues to diversify his offensive game.

On the defensive end, Gaffney has shown great versatility, looking capable when defending the post and the perimeter. Though he will need to continue to add weight to his frame to be a better interior defender moving forward, he shows the timing, awareness, and effort level to be very effective in this setting. He may not be an NBA player, but he's clearly helped himself here.

Lee Cummard 6-7, SG/SF, BYU
7.7 Points, 7.0 Rebounds, 3.3 Assists, 1.0 Steals, 1.3 Turnovers, 43.0% FG, 60% 3-pt FG

an incredibly versatile and athletic wing (and one of my favorite players), Cummard showcased his playmaking ability while hitting the glass and playing tough defense. he's a complete scorer, and his performance this week should've opened some eyes to all the other things he brings to the court. but judging by the scouting report i saw, his pale skin prevented the "talent evaluators" from seeing him clearly.

-Lee Cummard bounced back from a so-so opening performance to the tune of 13 points, 6 rebounds, and 5 assists. His basketball IQ and outside shooting stroke were on full display today, but he also converted some plays at the rim, including an alley-oop pass from Connor Atchley. Though Cummard showed that he can finish in transition, he's had a difficult time dealing with more physical defenders in half court settings. His strength and athletic limitations have been very obvious over the past few days.

so, despite his ability to run and jump, he's still not athletic? really?

Cummard is a whole lot like Micah Downs, though with more polished ball handling and a little less leaping ability. he would be an ideal wing player in the NBA except for that debilitating skin condition ...

 

[Jimmy Chitwood]

and that about wraps up the Portsmouth Invitational.

 

[sunshine]

I love Downs and Cummard is similar probably a touch less bouncy. Also Gaffney is an amazing athlete and Rochestie has quicks. All four would be great additions for us if they play in the NBA. With Downs it is the typical white-guy basketball---learns to play team ball first thus falls behind on the ball hogging--oops ball handling skills..

 

[guest301]

I love Downs and Cummard is similar probably a touch less bouncy. Also Gaffney is an amazing athlete and Rochestie has quicks. All four would be great additions for us if they play in the NBA. With Downs it is the typical white-guy basketball---learns to play team ball first thus falls behind on the ball hogging--oops ball handling skills..

funny line...