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Truthteller said:
Below isa recent article about Peyton. It's nothing great, but it mentions race holding back white RB's. By the way, no greater example of the glaring lack of talent at RB in the league (thanks to the Caste system?), than the Colts being forcedto replace a4.7-something 40/short guy (Mike Hart),with UFL refugeeDominic Rhodes, who had been out of the leaguefor a while. Next move, perhaps, will be thesigning/return ofEric Dickerson, if Rhodes get injured?

http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2010/12/08/does-race-matter-as-peyton-hillis-nears-rushing-milestone/




I never hear or read anything in the media about a lack of talent at any position in the NFL-- except quarterback, which is easily the strongest position, talent-wise. Nary a word is said about receivers who have balls clank off their hands on a comically regular basis and who can't figure out the "art" of route running and finding open spaces in defenses, perpetually injured and easily tackled running backs, ridiculously obese offensive linemen and defensive tackles who have the mobility of snails, and defensive backs who can't cover and are only minimally interested in tackling.Edited by: Don Wassall
 

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I love the fact that in 2010 we finally see a starting white running back. Despite being on an average team at best, he is the 10th leading rusher in the NFL! All of this despite teams doing everything in their power to stop him. The Browns have started 3 different quarterbacks and have no stud recievers. It just makes what Peyton Hillis has done that much more amazing. So the question I have is will this give other white running backs a chance to play and possibly start in the near future? I sure hope so but I won't hold my breath on that one.
 

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Truthteller said:
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Mangini liked everything about the guy and made a mental note then to track him if he ever became available. But he wasn't alone. When Heckert was the GM in Philadelphia, he was on to Hillis, too, figuring he'd be a perfect fit for the Eagles.



Thank goodness he did not end up with the Eagles. He was way better offglued tothe bench in Denver last season, rather than going to Fat Bastard's team and being turned into Owen Schmidtt for the balance of his career. Talk about dodging a bullet -- Phillycoveted Peyton in 2009
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Below isa recent article about Peyton. It's nothing great, but it mentions race holding back white RB's. By the way, no greater example of the glaring lack of talent at RB in the league (thanks to the Caste system?), than the Colts being forcedto replace a4.7-something 40/short guy (Mike Hart),with UFL refugeeDominic Rhodes, who had been out of the leaguefor a while. Next move, perhaps, will be thesigning/return ofEric Dickerson, if Rhodes get injured?

http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2010/12/08/does-race-matter-as-peyton-hillis-nears-rushing-milestone/
Take a look at the DWFs posts in the comments section. They have NO CLUE about the racial dynamics of the NFL. They berate the author about interjecting race.
 

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FBDad,
Those commentators (assuming they are White) have been so racially castrated by the cultural Marxists it truly is sad. Are they blind to how race works in society? Based on their views on sports and the NFL I would assume no. Affirmative Action, equal opportunity employers, Rooney Rule, NAACP, La Raza, et al. Of course race is still prevalent. Obama's 99% of black vote and White's voting for him out of deep ridden guilt. How bout when White people look to buy a home. Why is it usually in neighborhoods free of blacks and hispanics?
These posters live in brainwashed/guilt-invoked fantasy world. Schmucks.
 

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Regarding this weeekend's game at Buffalo, I'm not sure how things will play out. He will of course get to 1000 yards, but will he have a big game? I'm hoping for a 100+ yard, multiple TD game, considering that the Bills run defense is last in the league. Also, inclement weather is expected on Sunday, which will make passing difficult, so the Browns will probably run the ball a lot, giving Peyton a good number of carries. With a stacked line against them, hopefully the Browns will slowly wear down the Bills defense and win another close game.
 

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I pray that he stays healthy and continues to smash the myth that whites can't run the ball. Like I have said before, besides being a team without many offensive weapons besides him, he is in one of the toughest division to run in. His ypc is higher than every other back in his division, who have all basically played the same teams. Ray Rice is avg 4.0 ypc, Mendenhall is avg 3.9 and Cedric Benson is avg 3.5. All of these players already played Buffalo to inflate their stats. I think it was Mendenhall and Benson's best game. Mendenhall had 151 yards, and Benson had 124. The only other field day these guys have really had was against Tampa Bay (Ray Rice was lucky enough to face the Broncos). Unfortunately the Browns played Tampa when Hillis was only getting half of the carries, otherwise he wouldve had 100 easily, probably around the 140 to 150 mark. So if the line shows up and they have good playcalling, Hillis should at least get 150 yards. I am hoping he breaks 200. I would love to see him get a 40 yard rush on one of his first plays. Who knows what kind of game plan the coordinator has though, he might have a game plan that has 70 percent shotgun with some of the playcalling he has had this season. The Bills have allowed the most rushing yards, but I think Washington is dead last for yards per carry given up, although I think Buffalo is almost dead last in that category as well. I would just run behind the left side all game. Screw trying to out gameplan, if they want to put 8 or 9 in the box, put in extra blockers and force them to stop the run. The main guy you have to worry about is Paul Poz, who was a rb in high school.

But yes the two important points for this game is to stay healthy and win. It has been posted on forums and just mentioned on a link someone provided, that Mangini may not get another year to coach, depending on his record. He is the one who saw Hillis as a feature back while Holmgren saw him as a backup fullback/rb that could get occasional touches. It is rumored that Holmgren would get Gruden if Mangini goes, and that would not be good for Hillis. Plus, Mangini is the one who wanted Woodhead so badly for the Jets, so he seems to be somewhat fair.
 

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One thing is for sure, outside of those who watch the Cleveland game via online streaming, not very many people will see Peyton Hillis break 1,000 yards rushing this week.

Here are the coverage maps for this week's games.

http://the506.com/sports/?tag=2010-week-14
 

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snow said:
It is rumored that Holmgren would get Gruden if Mangini goes, and that would not be good for Hillis. Plus, Mangini is the one who wanted Woodhead so badly for the Jets, so he seems to be somewhat fair.

Gruden. Didn't that twerp coach Alstott? Hopefully he won't be able to screw the current best white running back too.
 

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Colonel_Reb said:
One thing is for sure, outside of those who watch the Cleveland game via online streaming, not very many people will see Peyton Hillis break 1,000 yards rushing this week. Here are the coverage maps for this week's games. http://the506.com/sports/?tag=2010-week-14

I noticed the Cleveland game is being shown in Fort Smith, Arkansas.

That is awesome...I noticed that too but missed the Hillis connection!
 

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Colonel_Reb said:
One thing is for sure, outside of those who watch the Cleveland game via online streaming, not very many people will see Peyton Hillis break 1,000 yards rushing this week.

Here are the coverage maps for this week's games.

http://the506.com/sports/?tag=2010-week-14
Based on the thin coverage of the Browns game, it looks like the Week 14 thread will be filled with stream requests, like last week! Sad to see that most of the country will be subjected to the odious Steelers-Bengals matchup.
 

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FootballDad said:
Colonel_Reb said:
One thing is for sure, outside of those who watch the Cleveland game via online streaming, not very many people will see Peyton Hillis break 1,000 yards rushing this week.

Here are the coverage maps for this week's games.

http://the506.com/sports/?tag=2010-week-14
<div>Based on the thin coverage of the Browns game, it looks like the Week 14 thread will be filled with stream requests, like last week! Sad to see that most of the country will be subjected to the odious Steelers-Bengals matchup.</div>

Yeah it is. I guess the lack of coverage has something to do with the combined record of both teams, but it makes for good caste system conspiracy talk when you add the "Peyton Hillis likely becoming the first White RB to run for over 1,000 yards in the NFL in 25 years" factor.
 

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[/QUOTE] By the way, no greater example of the glaring lack of talent at RB in the league (thanks to the Caste system?), than the Colts being forced to replace a 4.7-something 40/short guy (Mike Hart), with UFL refugee Dominic Rhodes, who had been out of the league for a while. [/QUOTE]


Larry Csonka, in his book with Jim Kiick, 'Always on the Run', talked about running a 4.7 40yd dash for Coach Shula. This was in 1969 so Mike Hart is as fast as a white fullback from the 1960's.
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GWTJ, excellent observation and funny!
 
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jared said:
If you haven't seen this Hillis highlight vid, do yourself a favor and check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04QrRLdULW4[/QUOTE]

Links not working, Jared. I did a search on the video instead, just copied and pasted into search engine, its the Unstoppable video, right? Don already posted it a while back, but you should fix the link and re-post itbecause its good for the lurkers or anyone who may have missed it. Awesome video!
 

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Westside said:
GWTJ, excellent observation and funny!

I agree! Its ok to have a black RB who runs a 4.7 without comment from the caste system media, but a White WR who actually runs a 4.4 can be lied about and said to run a 4.7. What a messed up world we live in. As always, the blatant double standard sickens me.
 

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Colonel_Reb said:
Westside said:
GWTJ, excellent observation and funny!

I agree! Its ok to have a black RB who runs a 4.7 without comment from the caste system media, but a White WR who actually runs a 4.4 can be lied about and said to run a 4.7. What a messed up world we live in. As always, the blatant double standard sickens me.
The fact remains that we've have tons of white players who were easily among the fastest players in the league. Travis Jervey, Tim Dwight, Bill Schroeder, Jeremy Bloom, and Kevin Curtis come to mind. None of them had the careers they should have because of the caste system.
 

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Just looking for articles on Peyton when I found this one in the Buffalo News.
<h1 ="story-title">Obscure back finds his place with Browns</h1>
<h2 ="deck">Peyton Hillis wins hearts in Cleveland.</h2>

Updated:</span> December 10, 2010, 12:43 AM



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Peyton who?

No doubt that was the response from Cleveland
Browns players and fans when the team traded quarterback Brady Quinn to
the Denver Broncos for an unheralded running back named Peyton Hillis.

But if Hillis ran for mayor of Cleveland today, he'd win in a landslide.

The
third-year pro has made the remarkable rise from obscurity to folk hero
because of a highly productive season. He has rushed for 962 yards
(10th in the NFL) and leads the Browns with 53 receptions, second-most
in the league among running backs.


He also is third in the NFL
with 13 touchdowns and joined Hall of Famers Jim Brown and Leroy Kelly
as the only Browns with at least 11 rushing touchdowns in a season.


Being in the same company as two all-time greats is not something Hillis is comfortable with.

"Absurd," he said recently. "I'm nobody."

Hillis,
24, wouldn't mind if that was true. The small-town boy from Conway,
Ark., tries to avoid the spotlight. But his days of anonymity are over.

The
rise of No. 40 jerseys throughout Northeast Ohio speaks to Hillis'
popularity. He has given Cleveland a new sports hero to replace the
departed LeBron James. There is even league-wide talk of him earning an
invitation to the Pro Bowl.

Every team the Browns face is obsessed with one objective: Stopping Hillis.

That
has been easier said than done. The 6-foot-1, 240-pounder is a
punishing, downhill runner who breaks tackles and doesn't shy from
contact. He is agile enough to leap over defenders who go for his legs,
but he wants to deliver a blow instead of taking one.

"There's
always a mindset of being bigger than the next guy and more mentally
prepared and wanting to be tougher than the next guy," Hillis said this
week during a conference call with the Buffalo media. "When you do that,
good things tend to happen."

The Bills, who have struggled
stopping the run most of the season, are bracing for a heavy dose of
Hillis when the Browns come to town on Sunday.

"He's not going to
try and get on the edge and just outrun everybody," said Bills outside
linebacker/defensive end Chris Kelsay. "He's going to look for contact,
hit it up between the tackles as much as possible and try to run guys
over."

"You've got to surround him with a bunch of bodies," added
Bills coach Chan Gailey. "One guy has a hard time bringing him down.
You've got to try to get guys up near the line of scrimmage. That's all
you can do. Get him before he can get started. Once he gets going he's
hard to bring down."

Hillis is making the most of an opportunity that he has waited for years to get.

At
the University of Arkansas, he spent most of his career as a fullback,
tight end and H-back blocking for running backs Darren McFadden and
Felix Jones.

While McFadden and Jones went on to become
first-round picks in the 2008 draft, Hillis was drafted in the seventh
round by the Broncos.

He opened his rookie season as the starting
fullback, but injuries gave him a chance to be the Broncos' primary ball
carrier. He was playing well before a torn hamstring ended his season
after 12 games.

Hillis led Denver in rushing with 343 yards (5
yards per carry) and five touchdowns and expected to contend for the
starting job last season. But long-time coach Mike Shanahan was fired
and replaced by Josh McDaniels, who promptly added first-round draft
pick Knowshon Moreno and free agent Correll Buckhalter. It was Arkansas
all over again for Hillis, whose playing time diminished significantly.


Fortunately
for him, there was someone who appreciated his talents. Eric Mangini
was the coach of the New York Jets when Hillis ran for 129 yards and a
touchdown against them in a 24-17 road win by the Broncos.

Mangini never forgot it.

"We
knew what type of runner he was," Mangini said during his conference
call with the Buffalo media. "I tried to get him last year and this year
we were able to make it work out. Even when I talked to him the day we
traded for him, I said, 'You don't have to come here to be pigeon-holed
in any one area. It's really up to you what you do with this
opportunity. I think you've got a real skill set to do a lot of things,
and there's no reason you can't be a 1,000-yard rusher.'


"He's
come in, to his credit, and taken advantage of the opportunity and shown
to a lot of people what I think he's believed the whole time."

Hillis
wasn't an overnight success in Cleveland. It took an injury to Montario
Hardesty and a trade of Jerome Harrison for him to get the starting
job. But as in Denver, Hillis took the ball and ran with it.

In
his first start, he rushed for 144 yards against the usually stout
Baltimore Ravens' run defense. He would follow that with three other
100-yard performances, including a career-high 184 yards and two
touchdowns in a 34-14 win over the New England Patriots in Week Nine. In
a Week 12 win at Carolina, Hillis joined Marshall Faulk as the only
players in NFL history with 130 rushing yards, three rushing touchdowns
and 60 yards receiving in the same game.


"Dude's a beast," Browns linebacker David Bowens said.

Hillis
is doing things that have rarely been accomplished by a Browns running
back. There's another rarity he is about to achieve: With 38 yards
against the Bills, he'll become the first white running back to rush for
1,000 yards in a season since Craig James did it for New England in
1985.


Hillis' teammates would be the first to say his color
doesn't matter, but the fact that he's excelling at a position
historically dominated by African-Americans is noteworthy.

"It's
always been one of my dreams to do something like that," Hills said of
reaching 1,000 yards. "But since I've been on this team and I see the
team unity and that we have a bunch of great guys, I know it would mean a
lot to them too, especially our O-line. It's not for myself, it's for
them."http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/article280003.ece
 

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And, another article:

Peyton Hillis Approaches 1,000 Yards: White Running Backs DOExist!

by Andrew Sharp "¢ Dec 9, 2010 4:42 PM EST

What if I told you Peyton Hillis was going to become the first white running back in 25 years to rush for 1,000 yards in an NFL season? The last time someone did it, Ronald Reagan was President.



Kind of insane, no?


Not really, in Hillis' eyes:
<BLOCKQUOTE>


"I'm a human just like everybody else is a human. I don't think race really matters. Guys on this team look at me as a person, not as an image or a race."</BLOCKQUOTE>


That may be true, and good for the Cleveland Browns if they're more racially enlightened than the rest of us.


But I see Peyton Hillis as a person that's also a white guy, and it's kind of awesome that for the first time in a quarter-century, there's a white running back that's going to meet the benchmark for success among NFL running backs. Should we feel uncomfortable celebrating this? Is it racist to root for someone based solely on the color of his skin?


HELL NO.
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I root for white running backs the same way I root for white point guards, and the same way black people root for black quarterbacks and Vietnamese people used to worship Dat Nguyen.


It's not obnoxious to root for an endangered species; it's only natural, really.


So downplay it all you want, Peyton, but this is awesome. You're a gritty, heady, grind-it-out, student of the game (or something) who beat the odds after all the hard work paid off. And maybe those cliches are an elaborate way of saying, "You're white and kinda average," but damnit, you're a SUCCESSFUL, kinda-average white guy. And among NFL running backs, that's something we haven't seen for 25 years. It's 2010. If Barack Obama can be President...


Can Peyton Hillis restore hope in white running backs this Sunday?
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2010/12/9/1866783/peyton-hillis-1000-yards-white-running-backs-do-exist
 

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Did anyone catch Pardon the Interruption today, they talked about him going to be the first white back to reach 1k yards. They were pretty fair. They said the NFL needs this, because white parents are dissuading their kids from playing halfback, either wanting them to go to another position or another sport like Lacrosse. That is only a minor part of the situation but it is good to hear that they said the NFL needs this, something for white kids to look up to. I guess they couldn't go into why kids don't have anyone to look up to in the first place, since whites have been shut out of the position for a long time. Of course they compared it to the black qb situation.

"kind of average", I don't know what kind of average runningback could be top 10 in rushing, top 5 in yards from scrimmage, have a higher ypc than everyone in his division on a team like the Browns who have shuffled through a rookie, a washed up has been veteran and a never was, not to mention the best receiver is a tight end, and then Hillis, the right side of the line is terrible as well. (Benson 3.5, Mendenhall 3.9, Ray Rice 4.0), they have all played the same teams, except those guys have already had a field day against the Bills to raise their ypc, so Hillis is averaging almost a yard more than Benson and .4 more than Ray Rice, who is considered to be elite, so yeah if that is kind of average then I don't know what is elite.

as for the comments to that article, that is the 5th time I have heard mentions that he is roiding, about him being able to push someone like Wilfork back. White guys are strong, the guy pulled trucks in high school. The only thing he did was cut 10 pounds since leaving Denver and looks to have been in the sun more which both lead to looking more cut. Not to mention his custom shoulder pads that are higher and show more of his arms.

Its common sense, a 240 pound man running at the speed that Hillis has in his initial burst (I think 1.5 seconds to run 10 yards) lined up 7 yards behind of scrimmage, running into a 350 pound pound of blubber defensive tackle that has little to no momentum at all, of course Wilfork can be pushed back by a back like Hillis. I wouldn't mind if Hillis voluntarily took a drug test just to shut these guys wrong. Luckily i have only seen this type of post a few times and not a 100. People just can't fathom the idea of a successful white football player because it has been ingrained into their heads that whites can't be athletic. Do football players juice? all the time, but at positions like linebacker, de etc.
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Anyone catch what Tony Kornheiser said about Peyton Hillis on PTI today? Talking on the significance of Hillis running for 1,000 yards, Kornheiser said because of peoples preconceptions of white athletes, white running backs have to be better than their black counterparts to get the same recognition, in the same way that black quarterbacks had to perform 20 or 30 years ago! Wilbon also said that Hillis making 1,000 yards would be good on "1,000 levels".

Very surprising comments especially coming from Kornheiser!
 
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Just unbelievable with everything going right with Hillis. I think the stars are aligned and Hillis will have a big game on Sunday. I'm hoping for his first 200 yarder, 4 TDs and 100 yds receiving. It's nice to see a white RB be the headline on ESPN and other places, just like Gerhart got to be numerous times last year, and I'm sure will be in the future.

The fact that even MSM sports reporters think this will encourage white kids to play RB will become almost a self fulfilling prophesy. Parents here the reporters say this, and think "hmm, maybe he's right, maybe Jake should play running back!"
 

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@Jared: Great new video of Peyton! Lots of old footage but packaged as good as I've seen.....posted it to my FaceBook. Its hard to watch that and think that Josh McDaniels only allowed him 13 carries in garbage time last year.....McDaniels should have been criminally prosecuted! Wes Welker has been my favorite story over the last few years....but this Hillis story is getting better and better.....lets hope for the best.
 
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