Jimmy Chitwood
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Tony Grossi, who covers the Cleveland Browns for the Ohio Plain Dealer, doesn't think too highly of Hillis.
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Hillis is a backup. He will not be allowed to compete for a starting position. If he is the best back in practice and preseason, he is still a backup. If all the other backs are injured and Hillis plays great, when they return, he will be the backup. If all evidence points to Hillis being a starter, we will sign a big-name free agent or use a number one draft pick to put him in his place, as a backup. Next question.
DixieDestroyer
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icsept said:
Right on the money with the sad (but true) analysis.
ToughJ.Riggins
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What a joke that this team drafted Hardesty. Hillis can already do an amazing job playing as the starting powerback with Harrison getting 1/3 of the carries as a scatback. Of course the NFL would never EVER allow a white man to get half or more of a teams carries. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton might show up.
Jesse and Al at once: "Damn the NFL aint keepin it realz...one white boy is a team's leading rusher out of 32 teams in a 70+% white country, that gonna beez racist...Did theyzz forget this be 2010...Lets protest and get a civil rights lawyer homie Gs! We gotta keep the majority 100% banned, cause this be a brutha's position. Personal Jinx! Can't believe we stated this long a sentence verbatim! We are like demagogue twins!"
Jesse and Al at once: "Damn the NFL aint keepin it realz...one white boy is a team's leading rusher out of 32 teams in a 70+% white country, that gonna beez racist...Did theyzz forget this be 2010...Lets protest and get a civil rights lawyer homie Gs! We gotta keep the majority 100% banned, cause this be a brutha's position. Personal Jinx! Can't believe we stated this long a sentence verbatim! We are like demagogue twins!"
ToughJ.Riggins
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That works too Westside. Demagogue is one of those vocabulary words I like to try to impress people with though lol...I use it for "professional troublemakers" who stir up political racial trouble like Jesse & his good friend Al.
I'd like to be optimistic, but 30 years of watching one White RB after another get screwed doesn't give me much hope for Hillis at this point, especially with Mikey Holmgrenas Cleveland's GMand drafting a big back in the second round in April.
<H1>Cleveland Browns running back Peyton Hillis is out to prove the team got the better end of the deal in the Brady Quinn trade</H1>
<H4>By Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer </H4>
<H5>May 31, 2010, 7:50PM</H5>
Cleveland - Browns running back Peyton Hillis is out to prove he's the gem of the Brady Quinn trade and not the one-year wonder some folks in Denver thought he was.
"I want to show the coaches they got a big steal," Hillis said during organized team activities last week. "That's just the way I think and work. I feel like I can do just about anything really well, whether it's running or blocking or catching the ball out of the backfield."
Unfortunately for Hillis, Broncos coach Josh McDaniels didn't see it that way last year when he took over in Denver. He inexplicably banished Hillis to the bench after his breakout rookie season, one in which he became a cult hero to Broncos fans.
After injuries to five Broncos backs in 2008, then-coach Mike Shanahan pressed his rookie fullback into service as the starting tailback late in the season. Hillis responded with a team-high 343 yards for the season and five touchdowns in six starts, including a 129-yard, one-touchdown game that helped beat Eric Mangini's Jets.
Selected by the Broncos in the seventh round out of Arkansas, Hillis also displayed excellent hands, catching seven passes for 116 yards and a TD against the Dolphins. He quickly became a fan favorite, especially when rumbling through defenders at the goal line.
"It was everything you dream about as a kid," said Hillis, 6-1 and 245 pounds. "You want to be a star in the NFL, and you want people to know who you are and see the good things that you do. I even astonished myself."
But the magic ended in Week 14 when he tore a hamstring and sat out the rest of the season. When McDaniels took over as head coach in the off-season, he brought in his own stable of backs, including free agents Correll Buckhalter and LaMont Jordan, and No. 12 overall pick Knowshon Moreno.
Suddenly, the Broncos' rookie phenom slipped to the back of the depth chart at tailback, and No. 2 at fullback.
"The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away," said Hillis. "It was just something I had to rebound from."
His disappearance from the Broncos' backfield remains a mystery, especially because McDaniels wouldn't even use him during a 2-6 stretch. Some say he fell out of favor in Week 2 against the Browns when he fumbled away the opening kickoff return at the Denver 20 to set up a Cleveland field goal. The Broncos went on to win, 27-6, but Hillis was a non-factor the rest of the season.
"I promise you I don't think it was anything bad at all," said Hillis. "I don't think it was a lack of work ethic or blocking ability or some of the other things people guessed at. It was just a new coach, new personnel and one man's opinion. Coach McDaniels is a smart man, and I think he's doing a great job in Denver."
The more McDaniels refused to play Hillis, the more fans and media in Denver clamored for him. Still, McDaniels denied that Hillis was in the doghouse.
"I just kept praying hard for a new beginning," said Hillis.
He got one when McDaniels traded him to Cleveland for Quinn on March 14. The Browns also received a sixth-round pick in 2011 and a conditional pick in 2012 that can improve from a sixth- to a third-rounder depending on Quinn's playing time.
"At first, it made me upset because I loved Denver," Hillis said. "I enjoyed the fans and the city. But when coach Mangini called, I was excited because it was new people and a team that really wanted me."
During OTAs last week, Hillis made some nice catches out of the backfield and lined up at multiple positions, showing the versatility that Mangini loves. He'll compete for playing time with Jerome Harrison, rookie Montario Hardesty, Lawrence Vickers, James Davis and Chris Jennings.
"He catches the ball well, he's 245 pounds and he's a really physical runner," Mangini said shortly after Hillis arrived. "He's tough with the football in his hands, and he can play tailback and fullback. You can mix him in a lot of different places. He's also played on special teams."
Hillis will do anything, but would prefer to carry to the ball. As a high school senior, he rushed for 2,631 yards and 29 touchdowns, and was heavily recruited. At Arkansas, he was off to a promising start at tailback until future first-round picks Darren McFadden and Felix Jones took over.
In 2006 and 2007, Hillis -- then a fullback -- blasted holes for McFadden and Jones to rush for 1,000 yards each. McFadden ended up going No. 4 overall to Oakland and Jones No. 22 to Dallas. But Hillis, the seventh-rounder, started more games than either of them his rookie year.
"I'm just grateful to have this chance," Hillis. "I can do a lot to help this team, and I think this will have a good outcome."
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/05/cleveland_browns_running_back_3.html
<H1>Cleveland Browns running back Peyton Hillis is out to prove the team got the better end of the deal in the Brady Quinn trade</H1>
<H4>By Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer </H4>
<H5>May 31, 2010, 7:50PM</H5>
Cleveland - Browns running back Peyton Hillis is out to prove he's the gem of the Brady Quinn trade and not the one-year wonder some folks in Denver thought he was.
"I want to show the coaches they got a big steal," Hillis said during organized team activities last week. "That's just the way I think and work. I feel like I can do just about anything really well, whether it's running or blocking or catching the ball out of the backfield."
Unfortunately for Hillis, Broncos coach Josh McDaniels didn't see it that way last year when he took over in Denver. He inexplicably banished Hillis to the bench after his breakout rookie season, one in which he became a cult hero to Broncos fans.
After injuries to five Broncos backs in 2008, then-coach Mike Shanahan pressed his rookie fullback into service as the starting tailback late in the season. Hillis responded with a team-high 343 yards for the season and five touchdowns in six starts, including a 129-yard, one-touchdown game that helped beat Eric Mangini's Jets.
Selected by the Broncos in the seventh round out of Arkansas, Hillis also displayed excellent hands, catching seven passes for 116 yards and a TD against the Dolphins. He quickly became a fan favorite, especially when rumbling through defenders at the goal line.
"It was everything you dream about as a kid," said Hillis, 6-1 and 245 pounds. "You want to be a star in the NFL, and you want people to know who you are and see the good things that you do. I even astonished myself."
But the magic ended in Week 14 when he tore a hamstring and sat out the rest of the season. When McDaniels took over as head coach in the off-season, he brought in his own stable of backs, including free agents Correll Buckhalter and LaMont Jordan, and No. 12 overall pick Knowshon Moreno.
Suddenly, the Broncos' rookie phenom slipped to the back of the depth chart at tailback, and No. 2 at fullback.
"The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away," said Hillis. "It was just something I had to rebound from."
His disappearance from the Broncos' backfield remains a mystery, especially because McDaniels wouldn't even use him during a 2-6 stretch. Some say he fell out of favor in Week 2 against the Browns when he fumbled away the opening kickoff return at the Denver 20 to set up a Cleveland field goal. The Broncos went on to win, 27-6, but Hillis was a non-factor the rest of the season.
"I promise you I don't think it was anything bad at all," said Hillis. "I don't think it was a lack of work ethic or blocking ability or some of the other things people guessed at. It was just a new coach, new personnel and one man's opinion. Coach McDaniels is a smart man, and I think he's doing a great job in Denver."
The more McDaniels refused to play Hillis, the more fans and media in Denver clamored for him. Still, McDaniels denied that Hillis was in the doghouse.
"I just kept praying hard for a new beginning," said Hillis.
He got one when McDaniels traded him to Cleveland for Quinn on March 14. The Browns also received a sixth-round pick in 2011 and a conditional pick in 2012 that can improve from a sixth- to a third-rounder depending on Quinn's playing time.
"At first, it made me upset because I loved Denver," Hillis said. "I enjoyed the fans and the city. But when coach Mangini called, I was excited because it was new people and a team that really wanted me."
During OTAs last week, Hillis made some nice catches out of the backfield and lined up at multiple positions, showing the versatility that Mangini loves. He'll compete for playing time with Jerome Harrison, rookie Montario Hardesty, Lawrence Vickers, James Davis and Chris Jennings.
"He catches the ball well, he's 245 pounds and he's a really physical runner," Mangini said shortly after Hillis arrived. "He's tough with the football in his hands, and he can play tailback and fullback. You can mix him in a lot of different places. He's also played on special teams."
Hillis will do anything, but would prefer to carry to the ball. As a high school senior, he rushed for 2,631 yards and 29 touchdowns, and was heavily recruited. At Arkansas, he was off to a promising start at tailback until future first-round picks Darren McFadden and Felix Jones took over.
In 2006 and 2007, Hillis -- then a fullback -- blasted holes for McFadden and Jones to rush for 1,000 yards each. McFadden ended up going No. 4 overall to Oakland and Jones No. 22 to Dallas. But Hillis, the seventh-rounder, started more games than either of them his rookie year.
"I'm just grateful to have this chance," Hillis. "I can do a lot to help this team, and I think this will have a good outcome."
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/05/cleveland_browns_running_back_3.html
Deadlift
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That article points to a Caste System (black favoritism), but without saying it right out...
I read all 69 of the comments under that Hillis article to see what my fellow Ohioans were saying about a white RB. All in all it was not too bad. I'd say leaning more towards neutral than positive but here's the kicker. There were NO anti white RB statements or comments about how we should only be a FB. So that was nice to see. A lot more positive statements than I was hoping for.
whiteathlete33
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Most of the DWF's have never seen a white running back in action in the NFL. Sure you had Jervey start a few games some years ago, Brock Forsey started a few games, Hillis and Leonard did as well but besides that white backs have been almost extinct. Alstott isn't really even considered a true big back by the DWF's but more of a fullback type with some running skills. So we shouldn't be too surprised if we see anti white RB statements. Gerhart can be a caste breaker if Peterson gets hurt.
whiteathlete33
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Another thing I'll add is the NFL never ceases to amaze me. By some magic Brock Forsey was actually drafted in the 6th round of the 2003 NFL draft. He was very productive at Boise State and had 1,611 rushing yards his senior season for an average of 5.46 yards per carry plus 36 receptions. He was a very good back but he only had 4.69 speed according to SI. Here is the link. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2003/draft/players/17347.html
You never see a white back drafted with that kind of speed.
You never see a white back drafted with that kind of speed.
Cleveland seemed to be avery goodlanding spot for Hillis initially, but now it looks like it'll take the usual array of injuries to black RBs for him to be more than an afterthought in the offense.From Rotoworld:
Tony Grossi of the Cleveland Plain Dealer predicts that rookie Montario Hardesty will be the Browns' Week 1 starting tailback. "I don't see him getting beat out by Jerome Harrison or anyone else," writes Grossi, adding that he envisions Hardesty as the Browns' rookie with the best shot to start on Opening Day, ahead of even No. 7 overall pick Joe Haden. If Hardesty does win the battle, he'll be worth consideration as a low-end RB2.
Tony Grossi of the Cleveland Plain Dealer predicts that rookie Montario Hardesty will be the Browns' Week 1 starting tailback. "I don't see him getting beat out by Jerome Harrison or anyone else," writes Grossi, adding that he envisions Hardesty as the Browns' rookie with the best shot to start on Opening Day, ahead of even No. 7 overall pick Joe Haden. If Hardesty does win the battle, he'll be worth consideration as a low-end RB2.
ToughJ.Riggins
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Typical BS. Hillis is a PROVEN PRODUCTIVE powerback. Hardesty's a blend between powerback and scatback and hasn't shown he could play like A PRO BOWL TAILBACK as Hillis ALREADY HAS. The Browns would be better off with giving the PROVEN Hillis 2/3s of the carries as a PROVEN Marion Barber/ Beanie Wells type workhorse (who can wear down the D) and giving the 2nd RB job to whoever wins the battle between scatback Harrison or Hardesty.
I BET if Hillis was PROVEN to be a black albino he'd get the support of all his teammates, the coaches and fans and those numb brains would say, "NOW YOU'RE TALKIN, I NOW RECALL WHAT A STUD PEYTON IS, NOW HE CAN RIDE AT THE FRONT OF THE TEAM BUS, GET TO THE BACK MIKE FURREY!"
I BET if Hillis was PROVEN to be a black albino he'd get the support of all his teammates, the coaches and fans and those numb brains would say, "NOW YOU'RE TALKIN, I NOW RECALL WHAT A STUD PEYTON IS, NOW HE CAN RIDE AT THE FRONT OF THE TEAM BUS, GET TO THE BACK MIKE FURREY!"
Lindy's annual publication rates the players by position....the so-called experts have Peyton Hillis as the "Best Back-up" Fullback in the NFL.....The media caste whores & dwf's consider this a compliment...
Howeverhere on CF it's a slap in the face!
It's a shameHillis only gets his chanceonly becauseinjuries...I don't wish that on anybody...Hardesty finally showed improvement last season..however I seriously doubt he stays healthy the entire 16-game seasonEdited by: TwentyTwo
Howeverhere on CF it's a slap in the face!
It's a shameHillis only gets his chanceonly becauseinjuries...I don't wish that on anybody...Hardesty finally showed improvement last season..however I seriously doubt he stays healthy the entire 16-game seasonEdited by: TwentyTwo
ToughJ.Riggins
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I don't wish injuries on anyone either TwentyTwo, but a sprained ankle or turf toe (for the greater good of exposing the lie and defeating extreme racism in the NFL and the U.S) would be a good thing for MOST not all.
The needs of the entire country or group usually supersede bumps and bruises by one individual. It's only when it is a seriously demoralizing situation or debilitating injury that can effect someone's entire life that this would not be the case (due to it being immoral to want to play God and permanently hurt someone for the good of multiple people).
The needs of the entire country or group usually supersede bumps and bruises by one individual. It's only when it is a seriously demoralizing situation or debilitating injury that can effect someone's entire life that this would not be the case (due to it being immoral to want to play God and permanently hurt someone for the good of multiple people).
ToughJ.Riggins
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backrow said:Furrey's riding with Redskins now
Who should I have said then backrow? I know there must be a new hated on white player on the Browns. I don't know this team very well and don't follow the NFL much anymore. You know the NFL better than me now. I've gotten more into FBS football. I look forward to your knowledge on the NFL during the season backrow, because I won't have time to follow it much on t.v.
The Browns' DWFs posting after this article seem to recognize that Hillis is a talent.
Cleveland Browns Spotlight: Peyton "Downhill" Hillis
by Samuel Ingro Written on June 16, 2010
In Cleveland, Peyton Hillis might not have the famous name that Brady Quinn has, but by the end of the 2010 season he may be a household name.
Hillis is a versatile offensive player from Arkansas, and for four seasons he was the starting fullback at Arkansas. He helped lead NFL standouts Felix Jones and Darren McFadden to record-breaking numbers as Razorbacks.
With Hillis punching holes in the defense, McFadden ran into the runner-up position for the Heisman award behind Ohio State standout Troy Smith. In addition to his fullback duties, he played tight end. He also made big contributions to special teams as a punt returner.
After his senior season at Arkansas, Hillis graduated with a degree in Sociology, and declared for the 2008 NFL Draft with a group of five teammates.
According to scouting reports, Hillis' strengths include being an excellent receiver out of the backfield, keeping forward motion with his pad level low, taking good angles while blocking, and having above-average balance and strength when breaking tackles. There are concerns about his height, 6'1" and weight of 240 pounds, durability, and about the fact that he might only ever be a "tweener" in the pros.
Running a 4.58 at the combine, the same time the Chiefs' Dexter McCluster ran this year, wasn't enough to impress scouts and was drafted at No. 227 overall in the seventh round by the Denver Broncos.
Under Mike Shanahan, Peyton showed great promise in the Broncos' offense, rushing for 343 yards on 68 touches in his rookie season. The 2008 season also saw him earning the Diet Pepsi NFL Rookie of the Week and NFL Ground Player of the Week honors. Unfortunately, during the next season under new coach Josh McDaniels, Hillis was buried in the depth chart and saw very little field time.
Fast forward to this season, the Browns acquired Hillis, a sixth-round draft pick in 2011, and a conditional pick in 2012 from the Denver Broncos in a deal for former starting quarterback Brady Quinn.
So far in Browns' camps, the 24 year old Hillis has shown solid poise and strength on the field, prompting head coach Eric Mangini to claim, "He catches the ball well out of the backfield. He's 245 pounds and he is a really physical runner. That's going to add an element to the offense that's a little bit different."Â
The idea that the usually reserved head coach Eric Mangini is excited about Hillis and speaking in such detail could lead anyone to believe that the coach's plans for this season feature Peyton Hillis.
"You could use him as the tailback and Vickers as the fullback and you get a lot bigger,"Â Mangini said. "You could use him as a fullback with Jerome, and both of those guys are really effective catching the ball and even running with the ball. You can mix him in a lot of different places. He's played on special teams."Â
Highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48HAiaY3vps&feature=related
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/407078-cleveland-browns-spotlight-peyton-downhill-hillis
Cleveland Browns Spotlight: Peyton "Downhill" Hillis
by Samuel Ingro Written on June 16, 2010
In Cleveland, Peyton Hillis might not have the famous name that Brady Quinn has, but by the end of the 2010 season he may be a household name.
Hillis is a versatile offensive player from Arkansas, and for four seasons he was the starting fullback at Arkansas. He helped lead NFL standouts Felix Jones and Darren McFadden to record-breaking numbers as Razorbacks.
With Hillis punching holes in the defense, McFadden ran into the runner-up position for the Heisman award behind Ohio State standout Troy Smith. In addition to his fullback duties, he played tight end. He also made big contributions to special teams as a punt returner.
After his senior season at Arkansas, Hillis graduated with a degree in Sociology, and declared for the 2008 NFL Draft with a group of five teammates.
According to scouting reports, Hillis' strengths include being an excellent receiver out of the backfield, keeping forward motion with his pad level low, taking good angles while blocking, and having above-average balance and strength when breaking tackles. There are concerns about his height, 6'1" and weight of 240 pounds, durability, and about the fact that he might only ever be a "tweener" in the pros.
Running a 4.58 at the combine, the same time the Chiefs' Dexter McCluster ran this year, wasn't enough to impress scouts and was drafted at No. 227 overall in the seventh round by the Denver Broncos.
Under Mike Shanahan, Peyton showed great promise in the Broncos' offense, rushing for 343 yards on 68 touches in his rookie season. The 2008 season also saw him earning the Diet Pepsi NFL Rookie of the Week and NFL Ground Player of the Week honors. Unfortunately, during the next season under new coach Josh McDaniels, Hillis was buried in the depth chart and saw very little field time.
Fast forward to this season, the Browns acquired Hillis, a sixth-round draft pick in 2011, and a conditional pick in 2012 from the Denver Broncos in a deal for former starting quarterback Brady Quinn.
So far in Browns' camps, the 24 year old Hillis has shown solid poise and strength on the field, prompting head coach Eric Mangini to claim, "He catches the ball well out of the backfield. He's 245 pounds and he is a really physical runner. That's going to add an element to the offense that's a little bit different."Â
The idea that the usually reserved head coach Eric Mangini is excited about Hillis and speaking in such detail could lead anyone to believe that the coach's plans for this season feature Peyton Hillis.
"You could use him as the tailback and Vickers as the fullback and you get a lot bigger,"Â Mangini said. "You could use him as a fullback with Jerome, and both of those guys are really effective catching the ball and even running with the ball. You can mix him in a lot of different places. He's played on special teams."Â
Highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48HAiaY3vps&feature=related
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/407078-cleveland-browns-spotlight-peyton-downhill-hillis
whiteathlete33
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At least he's out of Denver. Josh McDaniels has no clue what he's doing. Besides screwing Hillis Tony Scheffler's production dropped as well. Hopefully Scheffler does better in Detroit.
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It sounds like Mangini is really going to give Hillis a shot this year, I hope he does
because he won't be disappointed. Hillis is a STUD and he has more than earned his chance to show the world what he (and so MANY other White RB's) can do when given a fair chance!
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ToughJ.Riggins
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Some high compliments from Mangini, but I remember that McDaniels also had great things to say about Hillis over the summer, in training camp and in the pre-season. We all see how that worked out.
In a fair world Hillis should be the front runner to start at tailback, but of course he could also play FB a little too and both block, run and catch passes to keep the D guessing from the FB spot. Without the caste system Hillis should see more than half the carries with the rest going to Harrison and/or Hardesty.
In a fair world Hillis should be the front runner to start at tailback, but of course he could also play FB a little too and both block, run and catch passes to keep the D guessing from the FB spot. Without the caste system Hillis should see more than half the carries with the rest going to Harrison and/or Hardesty.
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Sorry if this particular video has been posted. Don't know if it is appropriate viewing for the children. It's spooky.
http:///www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K9cSqlca4w
http:///www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K9cSqlca4w