On With The Debate

[Menelik]

Well it looks like Obama rejected a postponement of the debate. Do you all think its a good or bad idea? For McCain to suspend his campaign and Obama to reject it. Or does it matter?

Lets Debate

 

[Don Wassall]

It's all gamesmanship. McCain has something like 83 Wall Street lobbyists on his campaign staff but is now posing as a populist speaking out against Wall Street greed.


This bailout is going to be yet another example of those in power escaping punishment for their egregious crimes against America and Americans. It's all about protecting their sorry asses and continuing their misrule. The political system is a sick joke.


It had to be like this in the last days of the Soviet Union. Will the last person who still thinks Washington has any credibility please turn out the lights.


The real debate ought to be about what we're going to do as individuals and a community to protect ourselves and then gain control of the situation if the evilAmerican Empiredoes collapse.

 

[Menelik]

Today you could vote early in Georgia. I voted for Barr. He has a snowballs chance in hell of winning but at least I can sleep at nights.

 

[Kaptain]

To debate you have to have opposing views. Might as well cancel it I say.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Personally, I'd love to see the debate canceled. Ole Miss and the liberal haven of Oxford, Mississippi has spent millions getting ready for this debate. It wouldn't hurt my feelings a bit if that turncoat "Newniversity of Mississippi" lost out on it.

 

[Jimmy Chitwood]

To debate you have to have opposing views. Might as well cancel it I say.

excellent point, Poop. even Ron Paul said something along those lines on the 21st to Wolf Blitzer.

here's the video.

Dr Paul gets in a few good zingers, too.

edited to add: for those who still think we have two options from the main party candidates, here are a couple of well-done sites that compile video of what the candidates have actually said. seems they can't even keep their lies straight.

the truth about Obama

the real McCain

very enlightening, and very shameful. Edited by: Jimmy Chitwood

 

[White Shogun]

Mere gamesmanship, in my opinion. Who ever is running McCain's campaign (Rove?) is doing a great job. I think they asked to postpone the debate so McCain can be seen as 'putting the country first' over politics. "Here is a man who wants to work on fixing the problems of the country rather than talk about it on tv blah blah blah."

No matter what Obama does, he looks bad: if he says, yes I agree, he looks weak, he didn't come up with it first, and he is following McCain's lead. If he says no, we must debate - then he looks selfish - 'Hey Obama, the country is facing catastrophe, and you're worried about a damn debate??!'

We'll see how the McCain camp spins this now that Obama has declined to postpone the debate.

 

[GiovaniMarcon]

I don't think Obama would be a good U.S. President, however I think he would be a good assistant manager at some Nordstrom's ladies' dress department or something. Maybe he'd also be a so-so elementary school principal, provided he has smart vice principals in the background to do the real work.

McCain looks like a wax vampire. Like he eats the souls of the young.

 

[Westside]

I would like to view the debates for the mere fact of watching BO speak without telepromptors. This guy is a studdering fool without script. It would be entertaining at least.


I would love for the moderators or McCain to catch him in his double speak and flip flops. I know many here believe BO and McCain are both different sides of the same coin, however, having a Black President will be distastrous pschologically on whites and their youth.


The line would go something like this, "you white boys aren't affeletic and can't even govern. Boyget that water and don't think about playing nor becoming impotent."

 

[Tom Iron]

Jimmy Chitwood,

Thanks for the video of Ron Paul. He's looking/sounding good as usual.

Tom Iron...

 

[DixieDestroyer]

To debate you have to have opposing views. Might as well cancel it I say.

Well said KP!

Far too many sheeplized lemmings just can't comprehend that these two Globalist shills are two sides of the same (NWO controlled) coin!

 

[Menelik]

Well it looks like the debate is back on:

Lets DebateEdited by: Menelik

 

[Westside]

I have read the numerous posts here disparging McCain for good reason, however, I still want him to wipe the floor with this blk racist,marxist/wealth re distributor, BO.


I fear waking up the day after election day with BO proclaimed the next President of America.The feeling will be terrible. 100 times worse when Hatton was KO'd by Mayweather last December.


I hope BO stumbles and studders throughout the debate. This BOhasgotten a pass from the MSM that is undeniable. Regardless, this debate will have drama. Looking forward to it.

 

[Westside]

In case anyone here is wondering, McCain won the first debate. He looked alert and in command of foreign policy issues and subject manner. BO looked flustered and attempted to interrupt McCain on several occasions. He also agree at least 8 times with McCain!


BO attempted to state that McCain's own advisors agreed with him, notably Henry Kissinger. Kissinger today reputated BO and sided with McCain, in case anyone here is keeping score. McCain 1 BO 0!

 

[ARThunder]

I don't want Obama to win but he made McCain look like a fool last night.

 

[GWTJ]

I don't want Obama to win but he made McCain look like a fool last night.

Really, when was that? Would you like to point out just when during the debate that happened?

I watched the debate. Both candidates spoke well though with different styles. Obama made the mistake of agreeing with McCain's point of view way too often. A major blunder in any debate.

I was impressed with how mentally sharp McCain was. I expected Obama to be the sharper of the two but McCain represented himself just fine.

The one other thing I noticed was that McCain seemed to be the candidate with a heart. He seemed to be the more patriotic candidate. I guess getting tortured for the stars and stripes will give you a different view of things.

That being said, I wish either of the two candidates would have come even remotely close to saying what Ron Paul said about the bailout. A subject that both candidates danced around the whole debate. It was the telltale sign that neither candidate will help the American people.

This is an e-mail sent out by Ron Paul to his supporters:


Wednesday, September 24, 2008

Dear Friends,

Whenever a Great Bipartisan Consensus is announced, and a compliant media assures everyone that the wondrous actions of our wise leaders are being taken for our own good, you can know with absolute certainty that disaster is about to strike.

The events of the past week are no exception.

The bailout package that is about to be rammed down Congress' throat is not just economically foolish. It is downright sinister. It makes a mockery of our Constitution, which our leaders should never again bother pretending is still in effect. It promises the American people a never-ending nightmare of ever-greater debt liabilities they will have to shoulder. Two weeks ago, financial analyst Jim Rogers said the bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac made America more communist than China! "This is welfare for the rich," he said. "This is socialism for the rich. It's bailing out the financiers, the banks, the Wall Streeters."

That describes the current bailout package to a T. And we're being told it's unavoidable.

The claim that the market caused all this is so staggeringly foolish that only politicians and the media could pretend to believe it. But that has become the conventional wisdom, with the desired result that those responsible for the credit bubble and its predictable consequences - predictable, that is, to those who understand sound, Austrian economics - are being let off the hook. The Federal Reserve System is actually positioning itself as the savior, rather than the culprit, in this mess!

-The Treasury Secretary is authorized to purchase up to $700 billion in mortgage-related assets at any one time. That means $700 billion is only the very beginning of what will hit us.

-Financial institutions are "designated as financial agents of the Government." This is the New Deal to end all New Deals.

-Then there's this: "Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency." Translation: the Secretary can buy up whatever junk debt he wants to, burden the American people with it, and be subject to no one in the process.

There goes your country.

Even some so-called free-market economists are calling all this "sadly necessary." Sad, yes. Necessary? Don't make me laugh.

Our one-party system is complicit in yet another crime against the American people. The two major party candidates for president themselves initially indicated their strong support for bailouts of this kind - another example of the big choice we're supposedly presented with this November: yes or yes. Now, with a backlash brewing, they're not quite sure what their views are. A sad display, really.

Although the present bailout package is almost certainly not the end of the political atrocities we'll witness in connection with the crisis, time is short. Congress may vote as soon as tomorrow. With a Rasmussen poll finding support for the bailout at an anemic seven percent, some members of Congress are afraid to vote for it. Call them! Let them hear from you! Tell them you will never vote for anyone who supports this atrocity.

The issue boils down to this: do we care about freedom? Do we care about responsibility and accountability? Do we care that our government and media have been bought and paid for? Do we care that average Americans are about to be looted in order to subsidize the fattest of cats on Wall Street and in government? Do we care?

When the chips are down, will we stand up and fight, even if it means standing up against every stripe of fashionable opinion in politics and the media?

Times like these have a way of telling us what kind of a people we are, and what kind of country we shall be.

In liberty,

Ron Paul

Edited by: GWTJ

 

[sport historian]

Usually, these so-called debates don't matter much in the end. Kerry looked better than Bush in 2004, but still lost. It is also hard to "debate" when both sides agree on most issues.

 

[guest301]

I don't want Obama to win but he made McCain look like a fool last night.

I don't know what debate you were watching last night but Westside and GWTJ have it right on the mark. McCain clearly won that debate last night, especially the last hour of it. He was on point and on message throughout the night and never got rattled. He also had the best sound bites coming out of last night and unfortunately soundbites are often how people decide one way or another who they are going to vote for. Even the Obama camp in the spin room after the debate claimed they broke even and McCain was on his "home turf" last night in discussing foreign policy. When even his schills are saying he broke even instead of claiming victory then you know Obama lost.

 

[White Shogun]

I'm trying to be objective about it, and I feel McCain 'won' the debate but he didn't win it so convincingly that it's going to sway any body to his side who wasn't already leaning that way anyway, just my opinion.

I expected McCain to be stiffer and less articulate, but he definitely seemed to be more at ease up there than Obama. Obama for his part uh'd and er'd a little too much; he agree with McCain too much (like GW said), and he referred to McCain as John, which I think could come across as disrespectful, especially when McCain continued to refer to him as Senator Obama.

You know I'm not a McCain supporter, but it just shows how far we have fallen that a guy like McCain has to even share the stage with a guy like Barack Hussein Obama.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

I didn't watch it so I can't tell you who I thought won and I really don't care. I'm not voting for either one.


Shogun, where do you get those Asian quotes from? They are funny!

 

[White Shogun]

Glad you like it, Reb.

I was on hold and the pre-recorded voice kept saying, 'All of our agents are busy serving other customers..' But it sounded like 'Asians', and since everyone that I spoke to in the customer service department was Asian...it just seemed more accurate to say:

"All of our Asians are busy serving other customers. Please continue to hold."

 

[Don Wassall]

It was all about how to conduct the U.S. empire's imperial wars more efficiently. Nothing about our over 700 overseas military bases, our troops permanently stationed in dozens of countries, our treaty obligations to defend countless countries militarily. Nothing about the Pentagon's budget being larger than the rest of the world's military budgets combined. Nothing about neutrality in foreign affairs, endlinginternal meddling abroad, and of course plenty of words about how Iran is a threat -- not to the United States -- but to Israel.McCain was also adamant that there won't be a "second Holocaust." I had to wonder at times which country he's primarily interested in representing.


It was all about debating style, at which McCain was better, though Obama has his strengths too. Though I will give both credit for speaking out against torture. Sadly, this takes some courage for a politician to do; who would have thought this country could ever be brought so low for that to be the case?Edited by: Don Wassall

 

[Don Wassall]

http://www.peteyandpetunia.com/VoteHere/VoteHere.htm

 

[white is right]

It was all about how to conduct the U.S. empire's imperial wars more efficiently. Nothing about our over 700 overseas military bases, our troops permanently stationed in dozens of countries, our treaty obligations to defend countless countries militarily. Nothing about the Pentagon's budget being larger than the rest of the world's military budgets combined. Nothing about neutrality in foreign affairs, endling internal meddling abroad, and of course plenty of words about how Iran is a threat -- not to the United States -- but to Israel. McCain was also adamant that there won't be a "second Holocaust." I had to wonder at times which country he's primarily interested in representing.


It was all about debating style, at which McCain was better, though Obama has his strengths too. Though I will give both credit for speaking out against torture. Sadly, this takes some courage for a politician to do; who would have thought this country could ever be brought so low for that to be the case?

AIPAC and their dirty money, they might as well let the mob fund campaigns again...

Edited by: white is right

 

[Liverlips]

I think it's over guys. Obama keeps going up in the polls. Even if McCain gets 60% of the white vote he still could lose.

The GOP is dead as their base (whitey) is being overwhelmed. Expect a long (maybe permanent) period of Democratic rule.