NFL Week 16 2011

bearclaw500 said:
Shannon Sharpe did the post game highlights for the Browns/Ravens game. Not once did he mention the name Peyton Hillis. When talking about the Browns all he talked about was Seneca Wallace. Sharpe also did the Vikings/Redskins post game highlights. Not once was Toby Gerhart mentioned. Sharpe was slobbering all over Joe Webb. At the end of their show, before signing off Sharpe gave special recognition to Tarvaris Jackson and Cam Newton for their outstanding play this season. Phil Simms brought up Andrew Luck in the closing 10 seconds of the show, in an attempt to make a comment about him. Immediately Sharpe leaned over in front of Phil and started shouting MERRY CHRISTMAS!! multiple times so his comments about Luck could not be heard, and that was how the show ended. How pathetic.
(I wonder if these analysts get to pick which games they are going to do the post game analysis for. What a coincidence Sharpe got both of those games.)
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I was watching that. After the highlights of the Vikings game they put up the scoreboard and they showed Peterson's rushing stats instead of Toby's.
 
When it comes to the way games are "analyzed", or presented to the world via sportstalk shows, or for that matter any media, I think a big part of why Whites are shunted off into tertiary status is because their very competence is considered boring, or, at least American sportsfans have been conditioned to view White athletes as boring.

As in, if the NFL were majority White, there would no doubt be more professionalism, and (I dislike calling it this, but that's what it is) cold-blooded Teutonic efficiency. Throw the ball, catch the ball, run with the ball, smash the defender, follow and respect the rules, honor your opponents, do not bring extra attention to yourself like a preening teenage female, obey the laws of society so that children can look up to you, etc.

Fans want primadonnas and obnoxious displays of [perhaps false] bravado, self-centeredness and basically clownish entertainment, and this is the type of "sportsmanship" in which Blacks excel naturally moreso than Whites.

Blacks cannot, by and large, play cooperative team sports with the same level of efficiency and competence as Whites, the smart, "White" way is deemed incorrect, and the jiggaboo shucking and jiving mongrel carnival is the way to go now.

The only way Whites can get the same attention is if they behave like Whiggers, or else are like Tim Tebow and are mocked because they pray to God instead of to the bank.
 
Just got back to the computer sooo JOE WEBB IS BACK AGAIN BABY!!!! although without scrubby #### Ponder in we'll probably win unfortunately. With Ponder it was a guarenteed loss but Webb is going to be a top notch QB in a year or two so it's time to build around him!
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Damn I love Gerhart he isn't explosive but he will level people.
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DWFs say the darndest things.
 
It appears that Adrian Peterson has a torn ACL, plus additional structural damage, according to several breaking news reports that I just saw. Having seen the replay of the injury a few times, I would not be surprised if it were that serious.

I never root for anyone to get hurt, especially anything that bad. In fact, most of us here have asked for Peterson to suffer something minor, such as the recent high-ankle sprain, so he would miss a couple of games and give Gerhart a chance to show what he can do. The idea is that Gerhart can then parlay that into an opportunity with another team. We all feel (even DWFs from the Vikings message boards) that he has done well during the past 4 weeks. But the caste system necessitates this sort of stuff, where often times an undeserving black has to get hurt before the White player get his chance. I will make no apologies for feeling a bit satisfied with this situation.

This now changes everything. Peterson is such an explosive player that he may never regain his past form after such a major injury. We all know these ACL injuries take at least 2 years to heal, so even he comes back at some point next year, he won't be carrying the ball 25-30 times a game.

This bodes really well for Toby. I think even within the confines of the vile caste system, he's proven to the fans and coaches to be a legit starter at the RB position. He should enter next year's camp as the undisputed featured back.

Karma works in funny ways. Just a few weeks ago, we were all talking about Toby getting out of there because he'd never have the chance to get meaningful playing time behind Peterson. And Peterson has no one but himself to blame for his insistence on coming back too soon and playing these last few games for fear of his White backup getting some of the glory, and look what's happened.
 
This is a banner day for White RBs and I totally forgot about the games! :biggrin: Stoked about Hillis and Gerhart! I hope both of them make the most of next week! :high5:
 
I'm really not sold on any of the rookies this year. Newtons stats have alot more to do with a Hal Mumme pass happy system, look at what it did for Tim Couch, and look at what a bust he turned out to be.
 
Toby Gerhart is now averaging 4.94 yards per carry - higher than Adrian Peterson's.

The Broncos games are exact repeats of nearly every Bronco game as far as play calling. What should be the least predictable offense in the league is game in and game out the most predictable. Every called Tebow run was directly up the middle. The third and short play calling was particularly horrible. With Tebow as quarterback, why would you run a standard pitch out ever? The tempo and play calling outside of the first series is slow predictable and clock killing - even when down by two touchdowns. Are they trying to lose? It's either all running until the dead horse is beaten with a dead horse or it is straight back pocket passing in second half desperation. I didn't see a single belly option that Tebow kept and ran to the outside. Nor did I see a single triple option. The play calling at Florida was far more inventive, wide open, and complex. The coaching staff has 4 years of film to figure out how to run these plays, but they are incompetent. I don't see John Fox every changing a single thing. His ego is quite clearly getting in the way of winning.
 
Confirmed ACL tear for Adrian Peterson. They said it might even effect his next year's playing time.

Edit: ESPN is reporting he tore his MCL too.
 
I'm not happy to see any player hurt, but this injury could be Gerhart's chance to start next season.
 
Great post Kaptain and I couldn't agree with you any more.

If you watch Denver play, they mainly just run the ball for the first half or even 3 quarters. Then they dig themselves a huge hole every game. Let Tebow come out thowing more on first down. Use options and trick plays. Hell they could even have Tebow go out for passes once in while afer he pitches it to the running back. The head coach and offensive coordinator are about as dumb as they come. No variety or imagination in the playbook what so ever.

As has been said here before on this board, it seems like they want Tebow to fail and that he wasn't supposed to win those games. What a damn shame. I hope I'm wrong and Elway helps him to improve and they get a new offensive coordinator. After all is said and done, they are still tied for first place with the Raiders. Let's see what happens on the final weekend of the season.
 
seattlefan said:
I'm not happy to see any player hurt, but this injury could be Gerhart's chance to start next season.
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It's a bad one, certainly a career altering injury, if not all together career threatening. AP's strength is his ability to plant & cut and change direction, which he does better than anyone else in the league. He'll never be the same player again, regardless of how surgery and rehab goes. Earliest he can return is late next season, and here's hoping that Toby has long established himself as the bona fide starter by then. I'd be shocked if the Vikes try to bring in another replacement and keep Toby in his backup role.
 
foobar75 said:
It appears that Adrian Peterson has a torn ACL, plus additional structural damage, according to several breaking news reports that I just saw. Having seen the replay of the injury a few times, I would not be surprised if it were that serious.

I never root for anyone to get hurt, especially anything that bad. In fact, most of us here have asked for Peterson to suffer something minor, such as the recent high-ankle sprain, so he would miss a couple of games and give Gerhart a chance to show what he can do. The idea is that Gerhart can then parlay that into an opportunity with another team. We all feel (even DWFs from the Vikings message boards) that he has done well during the past 4 weeks. But the caste system necessitates this sort of stuff, where often times an undeserving black has to get hurt before the White player get his chance. I will make no apologies for feeling a bit satisfied with this situation.

This now changes everything. Peterson is such an explosive player that he may never regain his past form after such a major injury. We all know these ACL injuries take at least 2 years to heal, so even he comes back at some point next year, he won't be carrying the ball 25-30 times a game.

This bodes really well for Toby. I think even within the confines of the vile caste system, he's proven to the fans and coaches to be a legit starter at the RB position. He should enter next year's camp as the undisputed featured back.

Karma works in funny ways. Just a few weeks ago, we were all talking about Toby getting out of there because he'd never have the chance to get meaningful playing time behind Peterson. And Peterson has no one but himself to blame for his insistence on coming back too soon and playing these last few games for fear of his White backup getting some of the glory, and look what's happened.
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The posters at this Forum should remember that what happened to Peterson can happen to Gerhart or Hillis.
 
white lightning said:
Great post Kaptain and I couldn't agree with you any more.

If you watch Denver play, they mainly just run the ball for the first half or even 3 quarters. Then they dig themselves a huge hole every game. Let Tebow come out thowing more on first down. Use options and trick plays. Hell they could even have Tebow go out for passes once in while afer he pitches it to the running back. The head coach and offensive coordinator are about as dumb as they come. No variety or imagination in the playbook what so ever.

As has been said here before on this board, it seems like they want Tebow to fail and that he wasn't supposed to win those games. What a damn shame. I hope I'm wrong and Elway helps him to improve and they get a new offensive coordinator. After all is said and done, they are still tied for first place with the Raiders. Let's see what happens on the final weekend of the season.
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I think Tebow can eventually be a very good QB but right now he has his limitations.
 
foobar75 said:
It's a bad one, certainly a career altering injury, if not all together career threatening. AP's strength is his ability to plant & cut and change direction, which he does better than anyone else in the league. He'll never be the same player again, regardless of how surgery and rehab goes. Earliest he can return is late next season, and here's hoping that Toby has long established himself as the bona fide starter by then. I'd be shocked if the Vikes try to bring in another replacement and keep Toby in his backup role.
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My prediction is the Vikings use their first roung pick on a running back. They wanted Gerhart as a backup, not as a starter.
 
sport historian said:
I think Tebow can eventually be a very good QB but right now he has his limitations.
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The media reminds us constantly of his limitations already. Thanks though :icon_rolleyes:. He's now 7-3 as a starter on a team that is coached by a guy that wants to limit him every game. That's obvious. He's a good quarterback now but needs to be used correctly. No quarterback can be successful passing the ball with that play-calling. It's OK for Tebow to have a bad game too. Plenty of qbs have thrown 4 ints this year Tom Brady and Cam Newton come to mind. You can't take over a 1-4 team with a dead offense and go 7-3 with many fantastic come from behind finishes and not be a good quarterback. You just can't rely on doing it every single week which is exactly the position the coaching staff has put Tebow in every single week.
 
I want to see Tebow succeed as much as anyone, but I'm just as excited about Andy Dalton and especially Jake Locker. Locker is an excellent runner, not quite as good as Tim, but he's a far more developed passer at this point. Steve Young is a good comparison to Locker, except that Young was slow to develop whereas Locker has looked very good both in the preseason and regular season of his rookie year. I don't understand why he isn't starting yet because he's going to be a star; the only question is if he will reach the upper echelon currently manned by Brady, Rodgers, Manning, Manning, and Brees.
 
sport historian said:
The posters at this Forum should remember that what happened to Peterson can happen to Gerhart or Hillis.
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Yeah, a similar thing already happened to Hillis this year when he rushed back, he rushed back for different reasons. Unlike Peterson, Hillis being a starter was not guaranteed and he was called a primadonna for the contract situation and not playing. Peterson rushed back because he didn't want Gerhart carrying the ball. Peterson being a starter is a guarantee. Gerhart shining will only lead to a small decrease in Peterson's touches, he would still get enough for 1k a year.

Yes he had a totally different injury that he was rushing back from but from my experience when you rush back from injury you are more prone to other injuries, it weakens your body because it tries to overcompensate to keep things up. Ive seen a few players rush back from mild things only to fall apart, almost becoming china dolls.

The hit he took didn't look that bad. I saw Gerhart take a ton to both of his knees after he got all that hype. Gerhart did tear his mcl early in college but I think the hit was much worse than that, and this was one of the reasons defenders targeted him because they knew of it. Yes they were college level players but I have seen players take big hits to the knee in the NFL similar to that. Peterson tore both his acl and mcl with that. I mean it could have been just one of those freak hits where hit just the right spot, but I think if Peterson were 100 percent it wouldn't have happened.
 
For roughly half the season, we were watching the stat accumulator version of Cam Newton. However, even in that span, he had weak games (against JAX and TEN for example). He also had multiple games where he played one good half and sucked the other half. This version of Newton was making too many mistakes and causing Carolina to lose.

It could be said that Carolina was treating him like a "veteran QB" that could handle all that responsibility. Right off the bat, they wanted to show Newton as "mentally capable" of handling a full plate. That strategy failed, and it took the Panthers' organization a while to realize it.

In recent weeks, Carolina has essentially turned Newton into Andy Dalton. Or, in other words, both teams are now treating their QBs like ROOKIES. They probably looked at the fact that Cinci was winning and Carolina wasn't, and they decided to construct a gameplan to "limit Newton's mistakes." It couldn't be lost on people that Dalton tends to not put up huge numbers, but they will finish the season above .500. Cinci has Benson; Carolina has DeAngelo Williams and Jon Stewart. Cinci has Gresham; Carolina has Shockey and Olsen. As has been noted on CF previously, Steve Smith has played very hard this year. Looking at the above, I would say that Carolina is more equipped than Cinci to play as a team. And, with Tampa's COMPLETE COLLAPSE, I would also say that Cinci's division - the AFC North - is tougher than the NFC South.

At TCU, Dalton had some of the shorter, quicker receivers and did well with them.. so it's very possible that he could be more productive with Steve Smith rather than A.J. Green. Steve Smith is also more physical. So, yes, Carolina is playing more as a team now and they had the talent to do that all along, but how much of them "looking better" has to do with their dominating sweep of Tampa Bay? --One of those wins was over Josh Johnson.-- That's 2 wins right there, and puts them 2 games above Tampa in their division. Tampa was given a much tougher schedule this year, but their collapse is shown in losses to JAX and TEN and getting destroyed by Carolina this week. Tampa's collapse has served to "elevate" Carolina as the sexy pick for next year in the NFC South. In the Draft, Carolina will likely focus on WRs, DL and secondary. Maybe a few OL as well (Gross and Wharton not getting younger and Otah's issues). Nearly every pick will be celebrated..

Of course, Atlanta and New Orleans need to improve if they are to stay on top. Atlanta needs to replace Michael Turner, get a successor to Gonzalez, build a better d-line and secondary. Every area of the New Orleans "D" could use improvement. Coby Fleener, who somehow wasn't a Mackey finalist, might be a steal for somebody in the 2nd round or later. What if more teams try to "copy" New England's Gronk/Hernandez tandem? Tyler Eifert could possibly be in this Draft as well. Coby Fleener could end up on a GOOD offensive team that wants to create matchup problems. I sure hope so!
 
It must be torture having to witness the DWF's all over your state revelling in SuperCam-mania, while you're sitting at home constantly scratching and scraping for things to say to diminish his success. Is it really that hard to accept the fact that he might actually, God forbid, be good? Would you rather have Jimmy Clausen back at the helm?

Also, the reason Cincinnati was winning with a vastly inferior offense (CAR - ranked 5th, CIN - ranked 23rd), and an almost identical turnover ratio (CAR +2, CIN +1), was that they had a vastly superior defense (CIN - 6th, CAR - 22nd), and much less penalty yards (CAR - 2nd, CIN - 12th).

Are you hoping your home team addresses their defensive deficiencies to become the juggernaut they're destined to be, or are you hoping they stay the course, and continue their mediocre defensive play so you can bash your affaroleetie Negro quarterblack? Just curious..
 
OkieState said:
It must be torture having to witness the DWF's all over your state revelling in SuperCam-mania, while you're sitting at home constantly scratching and scraping for things to say to diminish his success. Is it really that hard to accept the fact that he might actually, God forbid, be good? Would you rather have Jimmy Clausen back at the helm?

Also, the reason Cincinnati was winning with a vastly inferior offense (CAR - ranked 5th, CIN - ranked 23rd), and an almost identical turnover ratio (CAR +2, CIN +1), was that they had a vastly superior defense (CIN - 6th, CAR - 22nd), and much less penalty yards (CAR - 2nd, CIN - 12th).

Are you hoping your home team addresses their defensive deficiencies to become the juggernaut they're destined to be, or are you hoping they stay the course, and continue their mediocre defensive play so you can bash your affaroleetie Negro quarterblack? Just curious..
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Lol dude seriously? We all know Newton is the NFL's next great Black hope at QB:hail:.. You can go to any other friggin board on the internet and praise Scam. Frankly we don't want to hear it. I see the same type of career for Cam as that of Culpepper. He'll have a few years where he runs wild and accumulates some big time stats, then like most black quarterbacks who flat out lack the mental makeup of an NFL QB, he will fade and he will fade fast.
 
I was glad to see Welker have another great game & actually see two white RBs go for 100 in the same day.Thats gotta b something that hasn't happened in decades but i have to admit i don't like the way Gerhart got there,he should have earned the amount of carries he got after his last month of action.No big surprise that he had a good game even on limited carries.

I will probably take a lot of flak for this but i hated seeing AP suffer a potentially career threatening injury as he is one of the few truly elite RBs in the league and has actually lived up to his hype since he came into the league.He has had the extremely rare ability to cut like a much smaller back AND have power & speed and is one of the few black players that i actually do enjoy some highlights of & think actually deserves some of the hype they get.This knee injury even if it doesn't end his career will almost definitely take away from the way he ran before the injury.I liked seeing him go down with the ankle injury because it let Toby show what he could do and hopefully audition for another team that could use him as their primary runner.I'm glad Toby will be their primary runner for the remaining game and probably early next year but he could have been great trade bait during the off season and maybe went somewhere where he would be a true starter,now even if AP is only 60% when he comes back we all know Toby will go back to the bench.

Big props to Hillis on his first true 100 of the year and it looks like he is finally fully healthy and trying to get a bigger contract somewhere in the offseason.
 
OkieState said:
It must be torture having to witness the DWF's all over your state revelling in SuperCam-mania, while you're sitting at home constantly scratching and scraping for things to say to diminish his success. Is it really that hard to accept the fact that he might actually, God forbid, be good? Would you rather have Jimmy Clausen back at the helm?

Also, the reason Cincinnati was winning with a vastly inferior offense (CAR - ranked 5th, CIN - ranked 23rd), and an almost identical turnover ratio (CAR +2, CIN +1), was that they had a vastly superior defense (CIN - 6th, CAR - 22nd), and much less penalty yards (CAR - 2nd, CIN - 12th).

Are you hoping your home team addresses their defensive deficiencies to become the juggernaut they're destined to be, or are you hoping they stay the course, and continue their mediocre defensive play so you can bash your affaroleetie Negro quarterblack? Just curious..
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Looks like Shockwave aka SoundWave is back. Seriously, don't you have anything better to do with your life than troll the only pro-white sports site on the internet on Christmas Day? There are dozens of pro black sports sites, why don't you go address your agenda there?
 
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celticdb15 said:
Lol dude seriously?.
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Uh, yea dood, seriously. I couldn't care less about black busts, white busts, polkadot busts, Daunte Culpepper, or Dante's Inferno. I was just curious if Deadlift had reservations about rooting for his home team because of their afroleetie under center. Most people have an innate allegiance to their home team, so of all the Cam-bashing on the board, I found his constant, obsessive sCam rants kinda peculiar.. especially considering the funk the Panthers have suffered through lately.

Would having a Negro or, God forbid, dreaded Jew at the helm of your local team skew your loyalty?
 
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