NFL Network Top 100 Players

[Woody]

Yeah! Lets hear it for the Murderer! He's the ultimate hero for the black athlete...not only did he achieve some success on the field, he murdered a white woman!

Sorry to burst your belief bubble, Woody, but the evidence in the brutal killing of Nicole Simpson exonerates OJ. Unfortunately, the local cops fixated on OJ, to the extent they planted a few drops of blood on OJ's socks. The dumb cops should have known better because they were dealing with a multimillionaire who could afford a 1st class defense and not some crackhead. We know the blood was planted because it contained a preservative. There was plenty of other evidence which exonerates OJ, but the jury was not going to convict in any case once they learned the blood was planted. William Dear, a famous private investigator, conducted an multi-year investigation into the Simpson killing at his own expense, and he concluded OJ's kid, Jason, was the prime suspect. The link below is the story of the investigation:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7905933759946122795#

I highly recommend watching the video if you want to learn about what might have actually happened in the Nicole Simpson killing from a world class investigator.

BTW, I think OJ is an idiot and a thug, but he was a very good football player for a few years in the early 70's. Was he in the top 50? I don't know. He had a couple great years running behind FB Jim Braxton at Buffalo. Per wikipedia, "most of his [OJ's] 11,236 career rushing yards were due to Braxton." He rushed for over 1000 yards per year between 1972 - 1976. Not bad.

I highly, highly doubt a white player would be on the list with OJ's numbers if the white guy had the same story and rap sheet as OJ. No way.

 

[Woody]

Interesting. I've always thought OJ killed her, maybe thats not true. You say his son may have killed her. Without any prompting from Daddy? Sorry, but call me bigoted, but I think he had a hand in her death. Perhaps we will never know. I did hear he was going to write a book called something like "how I would have killed her, if I did." I know, it sounds too crazy to be true.

 

[sport historian]

O.J. Simpson was the most obviously guilty suspect in any high profile trial in recent history. Only unserious people or black racists argue otherwise.

Since I started the thread and am keeping tabs on the series, KEEP ON THE SUBJECT.

 

[qj]

O.J. Simpson was the most obviously guilty suspect in any high profile trial in recent history. Only unserious people or black racists argue otherwise.



Since I started the thread and am keeping tabs on the series, KEEP ON THE SUBJECT.

Quite frankly, you speak from a position of gross ignorance. You obviously did not watch the linked video in my first post in this thread. Instead of checking it out or addressing the basic facts of the Simpson case, of which I briefly alluded to in my first post, you insinuate that I'm not serious or that I'm a black racist. Gee, you dismissed me like a typical DWF dismisses you (and us on the forum) when presented with basic facts about the Caste system. How ignorant and wrong of you.

Mr. William Dear, a world famous private investigator, does not make arguments based upon gross ignorance like you have. Shortly after the Simpson killing, his first impression was the same as yours, but his son challenged him on this assumption, so he conducted an extensive investigation into the death of Mrs. Simpson and Goldman. The investigation lasted several years and Mr. Dear concluded that OJ's son is the prime suspect based upon the facts and evidence in the case. Before you blindly spew more bullcrap and misinformation (DWF-like) about me and the Simpson case, you might want to spend the time to actually learn about the basic FACTS of the case as outlined by Mr. Dear. You can be assured the MAJOR (CASTE) MEDIA did not discuss the basic facts, just like they NEVER discuss the basic facts about how the REAL NFL and caste system works (you know what I mean). OK?

BTW, I did not start this subject; another member of this forum did, and you had to perpetuate it with the comment above. I just want make sure the "facts" expressed in this forum are correct and not the parroted myths of the mainline (CASTE) media clowns (CMCs). Yeah, that's right; you're PARROTING THE MYTHS OF THE MAINLINE MEDIA. Sorry, but you've been duped by the CMC's. Over and over in this forum, the DWF's are ridiculed for not seeing the obvious facts of the caste system, even when basic facts are placed right under their proverbial noses. Well, I just discussed some of the basic FACTS of the OJ case, and I've been treated just like you (and we) are treated by DWF Nation when we discuss basic facts of the caste system. Not cool. OK?

If you write no more on this subject, I'll write no more on this subject. OK? Just don't cheaply and wrongly characterize me as "unserious" or a "black racist."

BTW, I still think OJ is a bum who beat his wife and should have been banned from football and shunned. His conduct was 50x worse than Big Ben, yet he probably would still be a celebrity if it was not for the killing of his ex-wife. He shouldn't be on the 100 player list at all in my opinion. And no I did not watch the last few 100 best player episodes because I find them to be blarney talk.




Edited by: qj

 

[Don Wassall]

I know I've diverted more than a few threads from their original subject matter,so let's agree to disagree on O.J. Simpson (and Steve Van Buren and whatever else) and get back on topic, especially now that the show is down to the final 20.

 

[sport historian]

The next episode is Thursday night at 9pm ET. It will be #20-11. Bronko Nagurski will be on the list.

 

[sport historian]

11. Ronnie Lott
12. Anthony Munoz
13. Joe Greene
14. Sammy Baugh
15. Deacon Jones
16. Otto Graham
17. Barry Sanders
18. Ray Lewis
19. Bronko Nagurski
20. Brett Favre

 

[Woody]

Where is John Riggins on this sh*tty list? I looked for him on the complete list and he was nowhere to be found. He retired with the most TDs I'm pretty sure, and I believe he owns the record for most post-season rushing yards. His TD in the super bowl he was MVP in is considered by some to be the greatest super bowl moment of all time, and was ranked in the top ten by NFL network. 10,000yd rusher too, even though every defender knew he was going to get the ball.

 

[sport historian]

Where is John Riggins on this sh*tty list? I looked for him on the complete list and he was nowhere to be found. He retired with the most TDs I'm pretty sure, and I believe he owns the record for most post-season rushing yards. His TD in the super bowl he was MVP in is considered by some to be the greatest super bowl moment of all time, and was ranked in the top ten by NFL network. 10,000yd rusher too, even though every defender knew he was going to get the ball.

Riggins didn't retire with the most TDs and he doesn't hold the record for most post-season rushing yards. Riggins' biggest feat was his performance in Super Bowl XVII.

It looks like the final 10 will be in no particular order:

Walter Payton
Dick Butkus
Jerry Rice
Joe Montana
John Unitas
Jim Brown
Lawrence Taylor
Peyton Manning
Reggie White
Don Hutson

I saw all of these men play on TV except for Don Hutson and I've seen Manning and White in person when they were in college at Tennessee.

 

[qj]

Where is John Riggins on this sh*tty list? I looked for him on the complete list and he was nowhere to be found. He retired with the most TDs I'm pretty sure, and I believe he owns the record for most post-season rushing yards. His TD in the super bowl he was MVP in is considered by some to be the greatest super bowl moment of all time, and was ranked in the top ten by NFL network. 10,000yd rusher too, even though every defender knew he was going to get the ball.

I can still hear the diesel horn blaring as he crushed the Dolphin defender like an aluminum can as he steamrolled into the open field, kicked on the burners, and on to glory.

 

[sport historian]

Sean Lahman, author of "The Pro Football Historical Abstract," is a member of the Pro Football Researcher's Association Forum. Lahman posted a few weeks ago his opinion that the Top 100 list has too few pre-1960 players.

Lahman felt that Terry Bradshaw didn't belong on the list (he was #50). In his book, Lahman wrote that Dick Butkus and Gale Sayers are way overrated. He uses statistical analysis somewhat like Bill James does for baseball.

 

[snow]

Where is John Riggins on this sh*tty list? I looked for him on the complete list and he was nowhere to be found. He retired with the most TDs I'm pretty sure, and I believe he owns the record for most post-season rushing yards. His TD in the super bowl he was MVP in is considered by some to be the greatest super bowl moment of all time, and was ranked in the top ten by NFL network. 10,000yd rusher too, even though every defender knew he was going to get the ball.

Riggins didn't retire with the most TDs and he doesn't hold the record for most post-season rushing yards. Riggins' biggest feat was his performance in Super Bowl XVII.

Riggins retired with the 2nd most rushing touchdowns, right behind Jim Brown with 104 to Brown's 106. He also retired with the most 100 yard playoff games with 6, and he did it in 9 games. Smith has 7 in 17 games, only Terrell Davis had had more in around the same amount of games, which was 7 out of 8. Also is 3rd with postseason tds with 12, of course that is also in only 9 games. The guys ahead of him had closer to 20 playoff games, he is tied with Terrell Davis who did it in 8.
Edited by: snow

 

[white is right]

I think the biggest omission is probably Steve Largent. Largent was the best receiver from the late 70's until the Rice era began. Considering some of the questionable current players listings Largent deserves to squeeze in somewhere on this list.

 

[Don Wassall]

I agree about Largent. That was a huge omission. And Riggins should have been on there somewhere too, at least between 80 and 100.

 

[DixieDestroyer]

I agree about Largent.  That was a huge omission.  And Riggins should have been on there somewhere too, at least between 80 and 100.

Largent's a top 25 player IMO, & Riggins top 50.

 

[Wolfman82]

Largent not being on there is one of many reasons this list is trash. Jonathan Ogden, and Ed Reed being on there is nonsense. Steve Young way down at 81 is way off. IMO young should be top 25. The fact that Bruce Matthews is not the highest ranked lineman makes no sense at all. That guy was in the pro bowl every year. He played ceter gaurd and tackle, and did well.Sammy Baugh led the leauge in passing punting and interceptions one season. Now that should launch him into the top three without question.

 

[white is right]

I looked up a Sporting News list and their list from about 07' had Largent at 47 if I'm not mistaken. Obviously in the last 3 years 53 "legends" have played and bumped him off the list.....

I agree that Riggins should be on the list too. But IMO he would be near the end of the list and his omission wouldn't be that glaring. There is no way Irving or Warfield are better pure receivers than Largent.

 

[sport historian]

I looked up a Sporting News list and their list from about 07' had Largent at 47 if I'm not mistaken. Obviously in the last 3 years 53 "legends" have played and bumped him off the list.....

I agree that Riggins should be on the list too. But IMO he would be near the end of the list and his omission wouldn't be that glaring. There is no way Irving or Warfield are better pure receivers than Largent.

The Sporting News list came out in 1999. Steve Largent was ranked #46.

 

[white is right]

Here is the Sporting News list from 99'. Notice how the list near the top is relatively similar, but near the bottom things go awry....
1. Jim Brown
2. Jerry Rice
3. Joe Montana
4. Lawrence Taylor
5. Johnny Unitas
6. Don Hutson
7. Otto Graham
8. Walter Payton
9. Dick Butkus
10. Bob Lilly


11. Sammy Baugh
12. Barry Sanders
13. Deacon Jones
14. Joe Greene
15. Gino Marchetti
16. John Elway
17. Anthony Munoz
18. Ray Nitschke
19. Night Train Lane
20. John Hannah


21. Gale Sayers
22. Reggie White
23. Ronnie Lott
24. Jim Parker
25. Merlin Olsen
26. O.J. Simpson
27. Dan Marino
28. Forrest Gregg
29. Roger Staubach
30. Jack Lambert


31. Lance Alworth
32. Marion Motley
33. Earl Campbell
34. Alan Page
35. Bronko Nagurski
36. Mel Blount
37. Deion Sanders
38. Eric Dickerson
39. Sid Luckman
40. Raymond Berry


41. Bart Starr
42. Willie Lanier
43. Larry Wilson
44. Terry Bradshaw
45. Herb Adderley
46. Steve Largent
47. Jack Ham
48. John Mackey
49. Bill George
50. Willie Brown


51. Randy White
52. Bobby Layne
53. Tony Dorsett
54. Chuck Bednarik
55. Art Shell
56. Mike Singletary
57. Roosevelt Brown
58. Bruce Smith
59. Fran Tarkenton
60. Paul Warfield


61. Ken Houston
62. Gene Upshaw
63. Steve Young
64. Ted Hendricks
65. Joe Schmidt
66. Bobby Bell
67. Buck Buchanan
68. Emmitt Smith
69. Willie Davis
70. Emlen Tunnell


71. Lenny Moore
72. Marcus Allen
73. Kellen Winslow
74. Mel Hein
75. Mike Webster
76. Sam Huff
77. Steve Van Buren
78. Jim Otto
79. Larry Little
80. Red Grange


81. Darrell Green
82. Brett Favre
83. Franco Harris
84. Dwight Stephenson
85. Charley Taylor
86. Jack Christiansen
87. Rod Woodson
88. Jim Thorpe
89. Elroy Hirsch
90. Mike Ditka


91. Art Monk
92. Dan Fouts
93. Mike Haynes
94. Fred Biletnikoff
95. Troy Aikman
96. Joe Namath
97. Lem Barney
98. George Blanda
99. Lou Groza
100. Charlie Joiner.... If you notice on the NFL list Thorpe gets a big bump up, but in general old timers have been dropped or demoted. No agenda here, move on....

 

[foreverfree]

I know I've diverted more than a few threads from their original subject matter, so let's agree to disagree on O.J. Simpson

I concur. But I reserve and have exercised the right to start a thread on the Simpson case (and William Dear's video) on Happy Hour.

John

 

[Kaptain]

I agree about Largent.  That was a huge omission.  And Riggins should have been on there somewhere too, at least between 80 and 100.

A huge omission and not at all by accident. We're talking about statistically the top white WR and RB of all time not even making the list. What's more, at the time of their retirement they were both statistically the top overall (black or white etc.) at their repective positions. Riggins really stands out as an omission as there is absolutely no arguement that can be made to keep him out. IE - never won the big one, wasn't valuable, never dominant, didn't have the stats ect. In his short stint with the Jets, he was voted the team MVP twice and I believe left the team as the all-time leading Jets rusher. As a Redskin, he was league MVP, superbowl MVP, and set a number of league all time records - rushing TDs, TDs in a single season, and consecutive playoff 100 yard games. How does a guy like that get omitted?

 

[Wristshot]

Shouldn't Paul Krause be listed in the top 100?
Retired as history's all-time interception leader with 81. Played in eight Pro Bowls. . .All-NFL four times. . .All-Eastern Conference 1964, 1965. . .All-NFC five times. . . Started at free safety in four Super Bowls, five NFL/NFC championship games.
C'mon the all time interception leader and he's not in the top 100, what's a guy got to do to be noticed? More interceptions than anyone in the history of the NFL, ....Hello?

 

[sport historian]

The 1999 Sporting News list had Larry Wilson #43, Steve Largent #46, and Bill George (longtime Bear middle linebacker) at #50. None of these three make the Top 100 in this list.Edited by: sport historian

 

[foreverfree]

Have any CasteFootballers put in their two cents at http://www.the506.com/smf/index.php?topic=7610.0 ? (you have to register and log in to see the boards there)

John

 

[Kaptain]

Shouldn't Paul Krause be listed in the top 100?
Retired as history's all-time interception leader with 81. Played in eight Pro Bowls. . .All-NFL four times. . .All-Eastern Conference 1964, 1965. . .All-NFC five times. . . Started at free safety in four Super Bowls, five NFL/NFC championship games.
C'mon the all time interception leader and he's not in the top 100, what's a guy got to do to be noticed? More interceptions than anyone in the history of the NFL, ....Hello?

One of the biggest secrets in NFL lore. The fact he did this in an era of reduced games and much less passing and his record still stands is incredible.