NFL 2013-14 Playoff thread

Old Scratch said:
So what? Two of them are prominent receivers and one of them is arguably the greatest QB ever. Patriots only really trump them with their OLine, and the two defensive players (Fletcher didn't see much action despite starting and Chris Jones is an octoroon). Gronk is out, Collie is not used, and they have exclusively black RBs too.
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No, the Pats start up to 3 time as many whites as Denver, also have two prominent receivers (and one backup), started three whites on defense yesterday (I don't include Jones) and have multiple white backups. Moreover, why doesn't the O-line count? NE has 4 whites on the line and Denver has one. The Broncos have less than 20% white starters (4/22), a coal black defense and don't use all that many white backups. They are simply a caste team. A sea of blackness with a few white stars (who I certainly cheer for on an individual basis). To put it in perspective, Seattle starts more whites than Denver. SF starts as many whites. Pittsburgh and Baltimore start as many whites as Denver! A win by Denver would be a HUGE caste victory and set the stage for perhaps the blackest SB ever.
 
Old Scratch said:
How, Super Bowl appearances and wins? Does the fact that Brady has had by far much better defenses his whole career not play a factor? Manning was handicapped with Tampa 2 defenses and mannequins on the sideline when he was a Colt.
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That was disproven, over an 11 year span from like 2001-2011 (discounting Brady in 2008 and Manning in 2011) the average rank of both QBs defenses was like 9.2 for Brady and 9.6 for Manning.
 
To be clear, I am talking about Ninkovich, Gregory and Fletcher starting on D for the Pats.
 
Old Scratch said:
So what? Two of them are prominent receivers and one of them is arguably the greatest QB ever. Patriots only really trump them with their OLine, and the two defensive players (Fletcher didn't see much action despite starting and Chris Jones is an octoroon). Gronk is out, Collie is not used, and they have exclusively black RBs too.
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With white RB's being blacklisted from the league, it's a non factor. Although the pats have a beastly white FB

The Pats should no doubt be the clear CF favorites

3 white receivers in the NFL is unheard of, plus BB+Brady.
 
TBProdigy said:
With white RB's being blacklisted from the league, it's a non factor. Although the pats have a beastly white FB

The Pats should no doubt be the clear CF favorites

3 white receivers in the NFL is unheard of, plus BB+Brady.
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Yeah impressed with Devlin, he is a big factor in Blunt and Ridley's successes this year. Good player.
 
I want the PATS. Its a no brainer. 24 Whites on team, should carry everyone's support here. An I have to go with SF over Seattle. How many whites on blackhawks, let alone anyone of them playing? Single digit territory. F them. At least in SF, a couple of pale faces are starting and getting reps when it counts.
 
True but just to play devil's advocate, it could be said that Belichick has had one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time to work with so maybe he looks better as a result lol.
 
What does CF think is more important, defense ranked by yards or points?
 
davidholly said:
That was disproven, over an 11 year span from like 2001-2011 (discounting Brady in 2008 and Manning in 2011) the average rank of both QBs defenses was like 9.2 for Brady and 9.6 for Manning.
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Brady's defense for his 3 super bowl victories and 2007 super bowl appearance were elite. Manning NEVER had an elite defense.
 
Manning had a top 10 scoring defense 5 times from 2001-2011. When he won the Super Bowl in 2006, his defense was ranked 23rd in scoring.

Brady had a top 10 scoring defense 7 times from 2001-2011.

Manning had the top scoring defense in 2007, honestly if not for a blown knee I think Philip Rivers would have had a Super Bowl ring in 2007.
 
Old Scratch said:
Brady's defense for his 3 super bowl victories and 2007 super bowl appearance were elite. Manning NEVER had an elite defense.
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That's true but since becoming an elite QB Brady's defenses have been on par with Manning but Brady still does better in the postseason.
 
davidholly said:
Manning had a top 10 scoring defense 5 times from 2001-2011. When he won the Super Bowl in 2006, his defense was ranked 23rd in scoring.

Brady had a top 10 scoring defense 7 times from 2001-2011.

Manning had the top scoring defense in 2007, honestly if not for a blown knee I think Philip Rivers would have had a Super Bowl ring in 2007.
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Do you need to look at misleading statistics to form an opinion?
 
foobar75 said:
Wilson is not a prick like Kaepernick or sCam from what I've been able to gather. He doesn't do any silly antics or celebrations on the field like the other 2. Apparently, he's also pretty low-key off the field, arrives at the facility at 6am before anyone else and does volunteer work in the community.

But ultimately he's an above average QB being hyped as elite, which isn't even close. He also plays for a team whose coach, fans, and a good chunk of its players are the most loathsome in the league.

You know it's truly sad when we're left with trying to decide the lesser of two evils between Seattle and SF. At this point, we should analyze which team would be a better match-up for either DEN or NE at the SB.
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Wilson like many professional athletes is involved in community service doesn't necessarily make him a decent guy. I know he displays typical black athlete behavior in that as part of his success he can't deny himself the white trophy wife/girlfriend. There are millions of black women that would love to marry successful black athletes /black men and enjoy the benefits of their men's success like many white women do when a white guy is successful, but these successful black guys are so full of self hate and find their women so unattractive how can we possibly expect them to do what virtually ever successful white man/athlete does and that is to marry within their own ethnicity. I guess my idea of a black guy who I think is a decent black guy is LeBron James. Despite having tremendous amount of fame and money he married his high school girlfriend who is a black women and didn't feel the need to get himself the white trophy wife like many of these black athletes need to get to stick it in white men's faces.
 
davidholly said:
That's true but since becoming an elite QB Brady's defenses have been on par with Manning but Brady is still better in the postseason.
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His 2007 defense was elite, one of the top 3 in the league. Only the defense in his last super bowl appearance sucked, and they lost. He has no super bowl wins without an elite defense.
 
Since the offense became the focal point of the Patriots team Brady has about as much playoff success as Manning. He has 3 rings from when the Pats D was top 3, and they only won by 3 points in each of them, and got fortunate with officiating to get there in the first one.
 
Old Scratch said:
Since the offense became the focal point of the Patriots team Brady has about as much playoff success as Manning. He has 3 rings from when the Pats D was top 3, and they only won by 3 points in each of them, and got fortunate with officiating to get there in the first one.
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And Manning's only Super Bowl ring came in a post season where he threw 7 picks and only 3 touchdowns. Looks like everyone benefits from good defense.
 
davidholly said:
And Manning's only Super Bowl ring came in a post season where he threw 7 picks and only 3 touchdowns. Looks like everyone benefits from good defense.
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When he faced 3 elite defenses; Bears, Ravens and Patriots. Colts D was mediocre but faced bad offenses except for the Patriots when they gave up 34 points.
 
Give Manning the super bowl winning Patriots defenses and he wins them too, so pointing out that Brady has the rings so should be rated higher is a fallacious argument. Brady has led his team to zero super bowl wins since becoming an elite QB.
 
newguy said:
Wilson like many professional athletes is involved in community service doesn't necessarily make him a decent guy. I know he displays typical black athlete behavior in that as part of his success he can't deny himself the white trophy wife/girlfriend. There are millions of black women that would love to marry successful black athletes /black men and enjoy the benefits of their men's success like many white women do when a white guy is successful, but these successful black guys are so full of self hate and find their women so unattractive how can we possibly expect them to do what virtually ever successful white man/athlete does and that is to marry within their own ethnicity. I guess my idea of a black guy who I think is a decent black guy is LeBron James. Despite having tremendous amount of fame and money he married his high school girlfriend who is a black women and didn't feel the need to get himself the white trophy wife like many of these black athletes need to get to stick it in white men's faces.
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You sound upset almost to the point of taking things personal, who cares? These are random skanky class less delusional broads of no connection to either of us.

Wilson actually seems like a good person, I genuinely like the guy as a human being, supporting white athletes doesn't necessarily have to be about hating black competitors on a personal basis.

I don't care out of SEA/SF because it makes no difference, I may not even bother watching the game... as long as neither of them win the SB, it's a great result.

Looking back at the start of the year, a Broncos or the Pats win was always the ideal scenario.
 
davidholly said:
How are they misleading? Manning has had good defenses before.
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Because it's more multivariate than just points or yards allowed, you have to factor in things like strength of schedule. You can name the people that think Manning ever had a great defense as a Colt on one hand and they're all in the looney bin. The Patriots defense from 2000 up until about 2009ish was top 3 or top 5 year in and year out.
 
Peyton Manning is my favorite football player and the best quarterback of all time and I'd love to see him win a second Super Bowl, but there's such a pronounced difference in White players between Denver and New England this year, with the Broncos going in the wrong direction, that I'm going to have to pull for the Patriots. New England is the closest a team has come in the past 30 years to defying Caste System rules, plus they've lost the past two Super Bowls they've been in to fluky Giants teams and amazing/fluky plays, take your pick. It's been almost a decade since they won their third title during the Brady-Belichick regime, so gotta go with New England, though I won't be overly upset if Manning gets another shot at a second ring. The most important thing is that the AFC representative win the Super Bowl.
 
Patriots are the better overall AFC representative but I'm pulling for Manning. Even if the Patriots run all over the Broncos and the Broncos defense gives up 60 points they'll say Manning choked again if he doesn't get this Super Bowl.
 
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