MVP Award

[JD074]

Steve Nash has been in the MVP discussion all season long.
At first, the debate was Nash vs. Lebron James. Of course
most of the talking heads sided with James (partly because he
has less talent around him, which is true, but I'm sure there are
other reasons why they prefer him.) But since his team has
totally tanked, the debate is now Nash vs. Shaquille O'Neal.
And once again, most of them are saying that someone else is
more deserving than Nash.

O'Neal is the only "star" in the league who can challenge Nash
for the award. James, Garnett, and Bryant are out of the
playoffs. Duncan has been too injured, McGrady isn't in the
running. This is the best chance a white player has had to get
this award in years. And it may be years before one has a
chance like this again. Go Steve!!! Edited by: JD074

 

[kevin]

shaq has been hurt to. IT is wade that has been the scorer.

 

[Kaptain]

There seems to be a media push to take away the MVP from Steve Nash and give it to Shaq. Recently the basketball talking heads that I have heard comment have choosen Shaq for MVP or have been undecided. No one has had the guts to say that Nash should be the MVP. Black commentators in unison have been pushing for Shaq. One of the announcers I heard the other night said that Shaq has improved his team more than Nash. What are these guys thinking? Miami nearly made it to the finals last year without Shaq while Phoenix didn't make the playoffs. It is clear cut - Nash should win the MVP easily and without discussion. First the Olympics and now a white MVP.

 

[white lightning]

It's a no brainer.It has to be Nash by a considerable
margin.He has took this team on his back and lead them
into the playoffs.They not only win,but it is how they
win that impresses me.Nash for M.V.P.

 

[Bart]

Unconfirmed source, says Nash to be awarded MVP.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Nash has won it! Check out this article I just saw. Be back next weekend.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/3597010?GT1=6534

 

[White Shogun]

The whining has already started.



Now they are comparing how well Nash and Shaq's FORMER teams did after
their departiure as a way of proving Shaq deserves the MVP. The Mavs
improved by a couple games and the Lakers tanked. Therefore , even
though neither guy plays for either team, that PROVES that Shaq shold
be the MVP, since his old team stinks without him !! Can you believe
that bulls***?



They are comparing statistics. Who scored the most points, most
rebounds, most assists. News flash: the MVP has never been about
who scores the most points. The MVP is about which player is the MOST
VALUABLE to his team's success.



Nash should be the MVP no contest. The Suns were nothing without him
and would remain so without him.. Hands down, Nash IS the MVP of
the NBA this year.

 

[Don Wassall]

Two weeks ago Matt Jones became the first white wide receiver picked in the first round of the NFL draft in 24 years. Now Steve Nash becomes the NBA's first white MVP in almost 20 years. Just like 2004, 2005 is shaping up to be a year of important accomplishments for white athletes.


Young white basketball players should watch Nash whenever possible. Not just the way he plays the game but the many ways he shows leadership in such an overtly black environment. It's great to see Nash fill in thevoid left by the retirement of John Stockton. Kirk Hinrich looks like he can be just as good an all-around player as Steve and at a younger age. Hopefully there are others on the way.

 

[White Shogun]

There is an interesting article about Nash on the ESPN site,
NBA. It discusses Nash's youth in a small town and his
recruitment to play college ball by one college, Santa Clara.



Of course, his teammates point out that the MVP award is a "team"
award, and that the whole 'team' deserves it, but Nash is the "motor"
that keeps things going. (Motor is the NBA version of 'hustle'
and 'hardworking', that other sports use to describe good white
athletes.)



Now I'm left to wonder if Shaq had won it after all, would it have been considered a 'team' award?

What about when Garnett and Duncan won it? Or Jordan? Team awards?



Whatever.



I guess I'm not happy unless I have something to complain about, EH?</span> &lt;---- in honor of Nash's Canadian roots. Eh?

Edited by: White Shogun

 

[white lightning]

Congrats to Steve Nash.I can only imagine how much better
the Mavs would have been if he was still there.He more
than deserves the award.He breaks down defenses like Joe
Montana did in football.It could not go to a nicer guy.
Hinrich is already looking like a allstar,then you have
Luke Ridnour,Dan Dickau and J.Williams.Only one of these
teams didn't make the playoffs.It kind of makes you open
your eyes.Also to be a star point guard,you have to be
one of the most athletic and well conditioned athletes
on the whole team.Oh but whites are too slow.Ha.ha.

 

[Bart]

I'm happy Steve won the award but wish he would brag about himself just a little bit. Even when white guys win awards they act as though they don't even desreve to be on the same field or floor with blacks. Why does he feel the need to belittle his accomplishments and diminish his talents? The guy is very gifted yet he leaves the impression he should sit at the back of the team bus.Freddiie Mitchell and Steve Nash, two players who are products of the Caste mentality. Freddieis nothing special butthinkshe's great while Steve plays great but thinks he's nothing special. Go figure.


BobBaum AP: ``I definitely won this award because of my role on the team,'' Nash said. ``I didn't win this because I overpower people or I'm dominating people with physical ability, whether it's jumping ability or strength or height.''


``I would probably vote for Shaquille (O'Neal),'' he said. ``He's one of the greatest ever to play the game. I look up to him. He's a huge part of this game's history already. He's one of the very best personalities and players in the game's history.''

 

[Bear-Arms]

Steve Nash sounds like a modest guy, and I don't think there is anything wrong with that. But, I'm with you Bart he should give himself a little bit of credit for his achievement. He did the stand up thing though giving credit to his team, and giving the other MVP candidates respect.

Steve Nash really set a new standard, and changed the make-up for the NBA. I mean you don't have to be a certain color to be considered good now, hopefully. He might be the Jackie Robinson of the NBA. Okay, that might be taken it to far, but you know what I mean.

 

[White Shogun]

I just participated in the ESPN front page poll, who would have gotten your vote for MVP, Nash or Shaq?



I'm not sure if there were a bunch of band-waggoners participating,
with Nash already having won the award, but I was pleasantly surprised
to see that 59% of fans selected Nash for MVP, while only 41%
voted for Shaq.



I guess the average guy on the street knows more about basketball than 90% of American's sports writers.



I wonder how long it will be, if it hasn't started already, that people
will say Nash was awared the MVP because he is white and they had to
give it to a white guy to keep all the crackers happy.

 

[GreatLakeState]

So the sports writers who voted for the MVP came from the
remaining 10 percent?

 

[White Shogun]

So the sports writers who voted for the MVP came from the

remaining 10 percent?

There is a type of writing in which one uses hyperbole and exaggeration to make a point.

My post was an example of this. Please don't take everything you read literally.

 

[Don Wassall]

When a white athlete accomplishes something great, count on Caste System advocatesto try and knock him down a few pegs by claiming "racism" was a factor in his success. A white know-nothing named Dan Le Batard of The Miami Herald seems to think that the sportswriters who voted for Steve Nash -- you know, those same sports writers who can always be counted on to religiously abide by the Caste System's rules of reporting -- went for Nash because he's white and Shaq is black:


[url]http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/11591949.h tm[/url]

 

[JD074]

Of course they have to couch Nash's wonderful achievement in
negativity and suspicion. They can't just let it be. I've been
watching ESPN today and every discussion has been, "Did he
deserve it?" Fortunately most of the talking heads have
supported Nash, but simply putting it in that context each and
every time they discuss it is not a good thing.

As for racism, he's the first white MVP since Bird, as we all
know. There's no history of undeserving white players winning
this award. There may be some sportswriters who have been
educated about the team game thanks to the Olympics, and
have realized what's lacking in the streetball-style American
game. Nash may be the epitome of the team game in their
minds. Or not. But there's no way that the black-worshipping
media is going to prefer a white player.

Also, the argument that the Mavs are better this year than last
year is dumb. It's a totally different team. They picked up
Terry, Stackhouse, Dampier, Van Horn, and their rookie, and
let go of Jamison and Walker. Dirk is healthier this year as
well. It's stupid to compare this year's Mavs to last year's.

 

[Bart]

Dan LeBastard, has got to be the biggest,politically correctdoofus I have ever read. Does he want to be O'Neals next agent or what? What a disgusting little weasel. I must admit to being really angry at the way media dolts are discrediting Steve Nash. I'm not going to continue with this post, I maywrite something vulgar, maybe later when I cool down. Unbelievable!

 

[Kaptain]

The media bashing of steve nash is now in full force. Sports writers will have to think twice before they ever give an MVP award to a white guy again. I did a quick search mvp award, steve nash, and shaq. The internet is littered with articles ridiculing Nash. The one arguement that they seem to be screaming in unison was that the mavericks won a whole 6 more games than last year. Never mind that Dallas won 60 games the year before that with Nash, or that since the arrival of Nash to Dallas the franchise turned from perennial losers to winners. What they also don't mention is that Nash improved the Suns by 33 games and the best record in the NBA! (I have not heard the number 33 talked about). Shaq left the Lakers along with HOFers Karl Malone, Gary Payton, and Phil Jackson. He went to a team that came on strong at the end of last year and nearly made it to the finals. If they want something to compare the two by the should look at this year - the only year that counts. Nash lead the league in assists while Shaq actually posted below average numbers for himself. Without Nash the Suns looked pathetic and lost four straight games. Without Shaq this year the Heat pretty much had the exact same winning percentage as with him. Case closed! It wasn't even close, or shouldn't have been anyway.

 

[Bear-Arms]

I wonder if they would of done this if Jarome Iginla won the Hart Trophy? Would the media be saying he didn't deserve the award? Sometimes you have to reverse the situation. Would they be even talking about this if Steve Nash was colored himself?

Okay they're saying because he didn't average 16 pts and Shaq had more points than Nash. Nash had more steals and assists. Plus, Shaq doesn't even have 3P%. So obviously comparing the two is futile they play different roles and styles.Edited by: Bear-Arms

 

[Ta Waki Mumba]

In a sad way this whole thing is funny as hell! All the black sports reporters I've read or listened to agree that Nash deserved the MVP award. The only people who are bitching about this and saying Shaq should have got the awardarewhite.

 

[GreatLakeState]

There is a type of writing in which one uses hyperbole and
exaggeration to make a point.
My post was an example of this. Please don't take everything
you read literally. 


Sorry, when you recite statistics, I conclude you're dealing with
facts.

 

[Don Wassall]

Here's an article about Nash with a different take. It comes from an anti-war site and is generally considered "left wing," whatever that means these days, but the author takes the time to trash Dan Le Batard's racist trash piece along the way:


http://www.counterpunch.org/zirin05102005.html

 

[White Shogun]

There is a type of writing in which one uses hyperbole and

exaggeration to make a point.

My post was an example of this. Please don't take everything

you read literally.





Sorry, when you recite statistics, I conclude you're dealing with

facts.

Sorry, I thought it was apparent that I wasn't citing statistics when I used the term "average guy."



As it is virtually impossible to estimate the number of actual sports
writers in the USA and Canada, including blog writers, I
will refrain from using the term "sports writers" referring
to ALL sports writers, and limit my use of the definition to the 127
who voted in the recent MVP balloting.



Fifty-eight of those 127 cast first place ballots for Shaq, meaning
that a clear 45.6692913 % of the aforementioned
sports writers are idiots.



Using the ESPN website fan poll as a gauge of fan balloting
nationwide, we find that 59% of fans voted for Nash, as opposed
to 41% of those favoring Shaq.



Given that there were 10,000's of votes cast on the website, it is easy
to see that the 59% of fans voting for Nash for outnumber the
45.6692913% of sports writers who voted for Shaq. This therefore
validates my conclusion that the 'average fan' is smarter and a
better judge of basketball skill than the 'average sports
writer.'

And if you can't tell THIS posst was written completely tongue in cheek, I dont know what to tell ya!

 

[JD074]

He's just hard for many people to comprehend because he's
small, skinny, supposedly unathletic, and white. In other
words, he doesn't pass the "eyeball test." Despite being fat,
Shaq clearly passes that test. Nash is like the baseball players
mentioned in Moneyball. Most people, even supposed experts,
are just too superficial to see the value of players like Nash,
Jeremy Brown, and Scott Hatteberg. They'd rather ooh and
awe over "freaky athletes" like Lebron James and Michael Vick.

I'll also say that the NBA MVP award always goes to a player
on one of the top teams in the league. It's not like MLB when
Alex Rodriguez won the MVP despite being on the worst team
in its division. It doesn't work that way in the NBA. Allen
Iverson, for example, didn't have a chance because his team
wasn't dominant enough. And there wasn't any player that had
freakishly good numbers like Garnett last year and Duncan in
the past. It could only be Nash or Shaq.

I will give credit to Shaquille O'neal for not acting like a punk so
far. He joked about it and complimented Nash.