Most Over Rated Ever?

[P-NutLane]

In my book Ali, Tyson, Ray Leonard, Mayweather, Tony, Sam Peters are all way too hyped, and over praised for there skills. I wonder what you fine gentleman think about this? Who am I forgeting in the long line of propaganda boxers whove been drooled over, even when they lost? Im no expert, I know there must be many. Whatdoya think fellas? All time most Overated?Edited by: P-NutLane

 

[white lightning]

I would put Tyson as the number 1 overrated fighter. He can't even box. Mike has not chance of outpointing anyone. If he can't knock you out, he gets killed. Tyson was taken to school by Holyfield and Lewis. Even the Irish guy made him quit. All Mike Tyson had was power. No skill to go with it.


Ali would be my second most overrated boxer. He had 5 losses in his career but could have easily had twice as many. At least he had all around skills. More than I can say for Tyson. Ali just didn't have much power and always got the benefit of the decision in close fights. I belive Frazier won 2 or the 3 fights. Many other fighters lose very questionable decisions to Ali. It was because of his immense popularity in the black community and the world. He was a politcal black spokesman for the masses so he had to be labled the greatest being it was during and soon after the civil rights movement.


Sam Peter is an overweight stiff, nobody. He will never even win a belt.

 

[Sean]

In no particular order, Ali, Holmes, Robinson, RJJ, Tyson, Foreman.

Basically any heavyweight fighter from the 70's is also way too overhyped (except Quarry, wonder why?).Edited by: Sean

 

[Westside]

P-Nut, out of the blk fighters you listed, I would say Leonard and to a certain degree Tony(when he was below)175 lbs were all time greats. I can never take anything away from Sugar Ray when he fought Duran to a close decision loss in the first fight or how he beat bentize and hung with Haglar. No, Leonard was an all time great.

Tony when he was a middleweight and all the way to 175 lbs was good to great. You can't take it away from him. He beat some good fighters, but also got a gift draw or win against a journeyman fighter named Tiberei while 160 lbs. He lost that fight. I remember a ABC announcer told him he lost that fight, and Toney being the ghetto child that he was,stated on live television, "f..k that and you, you don't know what your talking about, f..k!"

 

[aussieaussie31]

1)Ali
2)Tyson

 

[whiteathlete33]

It's funny this topic is mentioned. When you ask whites today about Tyson they talk of him almost as a god. Why hasn't anyone questioned the type of competition Tyson faced? There were very few Slavs fighting in the heavyweight division at that time. The truth is he would have been destroyed in several rounds by many of todays Russian fighters. Tyson is very small at 5'11.

 

[Boxing Trainer]

Tyson was a gimmick

 

[P-NutLane]

Westside says Ray Leonard is an all time great. I respect his heart, and he was SWEET to watch scrap. I only say he is overated because he only had 40 fights, lost 3, and 1 draw. To me, if you got 4 non-wins or more, you need to have fought 44 or 45 bouts to be an all time great pound for pounder. People would have snatched every ounce of credibility from Calzaghe if he would have lost to Kessler, Hopkins, or Jones. 1 loss and the DWF, and MSM wouldve said "See, he was talented and well managed, but not as good as we all thought"

Ray leonard is Maybe the 20th all time best Lbs for Lbs,in my book. Westside is probably right about J Tony, I just cant stand him, so I say he overated. Maybe a better word is overespected.


I feel almost exactly like whiteathlete on this one, he said it very well.

 

[Observer]

It would have been almost criminal to throw those puny black heavyweights into the same ring as the Slavs.

 

[whiteathlete33]

The media would have you believe that Tyson in his prime could beat one of the Klitschko's or Povetkin. Big Mike Tyson at 5'11. That's just absolutely absurd. What would the midget do if he faced Valuev? That would be a good one.

 

[Blue Devils]

Tyson and Vitali walking around Kiev together. Notice the size difference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbr2aGxAAN8

 

[Westside]

P-Nut well stated, I can not argue with your post, may disagree but well argued.

 

[Sean]

It would have been almost criminal to throw those puny black heavyweights into the same ring as the Slavs.

Great post Observer. That one made me chuckle. It's also true.

 

[Charles Martel]

Muhammed Ali - 90% media hype. Was given gift decisions. Lost at age 29 to Frazier and at age 31 to Norton. Too bad he's not 25-35 and fighting now, he'd be tailor-made for Wladimir

Floyd Mayweather - hand-picked resume, lost to Castillo but helped by Arum's Las Vegas judges

Mike Tyson - Vitali would have handled him easily

 

[Doc Holliday]

Muhammed Ali is by far the most overrated overhyped ATHLETE of all time.... As Cassius Clay he LOST a fight to a guy named Doug Jones but was given a decision he didn't deserve...He lost the 2nd fight to Frazier, lost to EArnie Shavers, Jimmy Young, Ken NOrton ALL 3 times, etc. etc. but was GIVEN these decisions....His career shows he lost 5 times but add these 6 losses & that totals 11 losses that he EARNED!!!!

Edited by: Doc Holliday

 

[werewolf]

Muhammed Ali is by far the most overrated overhyped ATHLETE of all time.... As Cassius Clay he LOST a fight to a guy named Doug Jones but was given a decision he didn't deserve...He lost the 2nd fight to Frazier, lost to EArnie Shavers, Jimmy Young, Ken NOrton ALL 3 times, etc. etc. but was GIVEN these decisions....His career shows he lost 5 times but add these 6 losses & that totals 11 losses that he EARNED!!!!

Edited by: Doc Holliday

Some more of Clay's crooked wins: Foreman (fixed ring ropes), a club fighter named Alonzo Johnson, Henry Cooper 1 - all kinds of dirty tricks by his corner after he was knocked down, and, of course, Liston, twice.

Hype job Clay comes to mind because they just churned out another movie glorifying him, again.

 

[Extra Point]

Ali would be my second most overrated boxer. He had 5 losses in his career but could have easily had twice as many. At least he had all around skills. More than I can say for Tyson. Ali just didn't have much power and always got the benefit of the decision in close fights. I belive Frazier won 2 or the 3 fights. Many other fighters lose very questionable decisions to Ali. It was because of his immense popularity in the black community and the world. He was a politcal black spokesman for the masses so he had to be labled the greatest being it was during and soon after the civil rights movement.

The leftists promoted Ali as the greatest boxer of all time, no one even close. This is part of their black supremacist agenda, to portray blacks as better than whites.

They did the same thing with Jimi Hendrix who they called the greatest guitarist of all time, in a class by himself.

It's all part of a political agenda.

 

[werewolf]

All you need to do to see what a bad fighter he really was, and how his fights were fixed, is watch the vid of him fighting, and losing to, 189 pound club fighter Alonzo Johnson. In the Youtube vid I last watched they clipped out the ending where the announcers expressed their outrage that they gave the fight to Clay. Or you can watch the two Norton fights that the crooked judges say he won (and then watch how Gerry Cooney demolished Norton to see how good Cooney really was), or the two idiotic so-called fights with Sonny Liston!

 

[a5308860]

mayweather. sorry, when you go around calling yourself the greatest of all time but you only fight hand picked opponents on ppv and avoid the one fighter everyone wants to see you face, sorry, not buying it. greatest at making money for the least amount of risk but as far as fighting, nope - not close to the greatest.

undersized HW of the past. a lot of 'fans' say guys like tyson would destroy both klitschkos but he always had trouble with taller fighters. either brother beats him very easily. he'd probably try to foul out once he got frustrated. klitschkos would be competitive in any era. holyfield was rated by one of the magazines as one of the top HW of all time but he's undersized. he overachieved. neither brother would have much problem with a prime holyfield. only a prime lewis would give either any trouble.