More Ricky Williams nonsense

[White Shogun]

Nick Saban is on record as saying he would welcome Ricky Wiliams back
to the Dolphins, should he decide to return. The pot-meister has
supposedly been off the herb for a month and is contemplating a return
to the NFL.



I don't know what words to use. When guys like Ricky WIlliams can get a
pass to return to the league, and be accepted with OPEN ARMS, while
guys like Forsey, Jervey, and others rot on the bench and find
their careers fading away, its just pathetic. Disturbing. I don't know
what else to say.



Worst thing is there isn't much we can do about it.

 

[Bear-Arms]

<div style="text-align: center;">I think you just posted this to make me angry

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[White Shogun]

Nah, it pissed me off, too.



Great drawing, by the way.

 

[bigunreal]

What is lost in the Ricky Williams soap opera is the fact that the guy
wasn't even that great a player. Deuece McCallister put up much better
numbers in New Orleans the season after Williams went to Miami. Here is
another case of pro sports giving second (and third, and fourth....)
chances to underachieving and overrated black players who cause
dissension in the clubhouse and break the law with impunity. Compare
this incredibly tolerant attitude towards black troublemakers to the
way much less problematic white players have been dealt with by the
NFL. Art Schlichter; considered a pariah by teams, fans and media
alike, because of his nonviolent gambling problems. Brian Bosworth;
dared to act half as brash and obnoxious as the lowliest black special
teams player, and was run out of the league because of it. Cade McNown;
this very untroubled white player, with more athletic ability than at
least 3/4 of the starting QBs in the NFL today, was hated by fans and
media alike for no reason at all, except that he "wasn't liked" by his
teammates in Chicago. What a double standard!

 

[Bear-Arms]

I don't think you can call Cade McNown untroubled, he was a smartass
who said stupid things to the media. He was just someone that didn't
grow up after college, and partyed like he was still there.
Jauron gave him the starting job in 2000, and said he wouldn't pull him
out no matter what, and that he gave him the best chance to win. I
think the fans and teammates resented that statement. He started off
really well, but every week after that he regressed. His teammates
didn't like him because his attitude, and it was clear they didn't play
as hard for him when he was out there. Cade couldn't handle
criticism and often lashed out at the media. He also got hurt that
year. The fans we're frustrated the team went 5-11... What's funny
though is that the same exact thing is happening with Rex Grossman and
Lovie Smith no one says a word about it. They blame the whole thing on
injuries it's really amazing. It was the worse offense ever, and they
fired the offensive coach. Here is a website dealing with Cade
Mcnown website. He wasn't a bust he just didn't get another chance and a chance to grow up.



What I mean by the samething is happening with Grossman is that he was
given the starting job without getting challenged. Samething all the
players and fans got upset about when that happened to Cade.

 

[bigunreal]

Bear-Arms,



NFL teams are notoriously inconsistent in their treatment of young QBs,
but no QB in recent memory flashed as much potential in as little
playing time as Cade McNown. This guy had 275 yards passing in one half
against the Redskins in his first extensive playing time as a rookie.
In one of his first starts (might have been his first, can't remember),
he threw for over 300 yards and 4 TDs. Then, when he started the first
game of his second season (despite the constant negative publlicity
towards him by EVERYONE in the sports media), he threw for 290 yards
and ran for 90 yards, in a close loss to the Vikings. This incredible
performance was barely noted, and not a single jock-sniffer in the
media said a word about this fantastic rushing-passing combined
yardage. Matt Millen-who was then still doing his lame John Madden
impersonation as a commentator-told audiences that he couldn't
understand why the Bears weren't starting mediocre journeyman Jim
Miller. This was right after McNown's incredible opening game! Then,
things hit rock bottom when Joe Theismann-for the first and only time
in his announcing career-came out and criticized an NFL player during a
Sunday night telecast. I remember vividly that McNown was driving the
Bears downfield, in a game they already led 7-0, and he was 8-10 for
over 100 yards passing at the time, when Theismann suddenly said, "You
have to wonder how much longer the Bears are going to wait until they
bring Jim Miller in at QB." Here you have a guy who thinks that every
player in the league is great, every draft pick every team has ever
made was great, and that every coach in the league is a genius, yet he
picks this young QB, who had shown much more potential than just about
any of his peers at a similar stage in their careers, to
unfairly criticize.



I know that McNown was said to be brash and *******y, but in interviews he
certainly seemed pretty polite to me. Compare his attitude, and
whatever small problems they presented to his team, with the attitude
of virtually any black player in the league. Compare the patience teams
have had with savage criminals like Lawrence Phillips, who not only was
a violent repeat offender, he was a complete bust and absolute poison
in the clubhouse, to that exhibited towards McNown, who probably didn't
even start a full season worth of games during his tenure with the
Bears. Compare the performances of McNown and McNabb as rookies; their
stats were about the same, except that McNabb showed none of the
potential for greatness (except in running the ball) that McNown did.
Yet, no one questioned the future of McNabb or booed his many, many
ridiculous passes. Even Akili Smith, who always looked terrible on the
field, was given more starts than McNown was.



McNown may have been immature, but like Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, Brian
Bosworth, or any other less than meek white player, his behavior
was much better than most of the black players in the league, who are
rarely said to be "troubled." . It's a complete travesty that a super
talent like Cade McNown is not even playing in a league with so many
horrible QBs.

 

[Don Wassall]

I agree with bigunreal. We've discussed McNown before and there's no question he was intensely disliked and hounded out of the NFL. He was a confident guy who could run and throw. In fact, when we see what's happening with Matt Jones, and previously to Eric Crouch and Mike McMahon, one of the problems may have been that McNown was too good of a runner. You can be white and be a pretty good running quarterback, but after the onset of the age of Kordell Stewart, Culpepper, McNabb and Vick, you better not be too good.


McNown, and Ryan Leaf, are long gone from the NFL, but one of their first round draft pick contemporaries, Akili Smith, has been signed by yet another NFL team. Smith had a good senior year in collegebut had done nothing before that. He also somehow greatly increased his Wonderlic score in his final attempt from the very low end to the very high end, leading to speculation that someone took it for him. McNown flashed star ability on a lousy team; Akili Smith has been simply horrible in the NFL yet is still being given chances.

 

[Bear-Arms]

I wasn't saying anything about McNown's ability as a player I remember
seeing every game he played in. He did said some dumb stuff as many
other "black players" do, but the thing is the player's disliked him.
The team was in love with Jim Miller, and so we're the fan's. I don't
see anyother reason beside that. The reason why Chicago never has a
good QB is because of the fan's. If you're not good in 1 or 2 years
your butt better be out of there. I was just suggesting you can't call
him an untroubled quarterback which he wasn't. Players threaten to sit
out unless Cade was benched you can only imagine what that can do to a
young QB's confidents. The newspaper's are really on the player's
in Chicago, and really ripped Cade a new one almost every other week.
He could of been great if he hadn't gone to Chicago...

 

[Don Wassall]

Fans in every city are rough on white quarterbacks, but Chicago fans seem particularly brutal. Maybe it goes back to the days of Mike Ditka when he was the head coach, or maybe Ditka just reflected the prevailing attitude. Ditka seemed to enjoy publicly screaming at his QBs, particularly Mike Tomczak. But the fact that his (black) teammates hated Cade McNown and basically demanded that the team get rid of him is very telling about some of the racial dynamics at work in the NFL. J. B. Cash's recent column "Hostile Work Environment" covered this quite well.

 

[Bear-Arms]

16 QB since 1990 that I can remember started for the Chicago Bears just
2 of them being black. That's an average of a 1 new starting QB
every single year. Maybe we will hear from Cades side of the
story one day, and I'd love to hear what happened in Chicago. That is
book material if something racially happened there. One of the things
that happened with Cade which coincides with the Ricky Williams deal is
that Cade took himself out of one of the games in the 2nd half.
Of course the media ate that up, and called him weak. But, here
we have Ricky Williams who took himself out an entire season, and
they will welcome him with open arms.



I haven't read much into Ryan Leaf, but Im gonna do a search, and see
what you guys have said about him. Someone was talking to me about
Jason Sehorn writing a book anyone know anything about that?
Maybe I have the wrong player....