MLB 2023 Season

[knightedsoldier5000]

I remember watching Wakefield's debut. The Cardinal announcers were just raving about the break on his pitches.

 

[FootballDad]

It's odd that the knuckleball has become all but extinct at the major league level, as those pitchers who mastered it had amazingly long careers. The Niekro brothers, Wakefield, and Hoyt Wilhelm come quickly to mind. Phil Niekro and Wilhelm nearly pitched into their 50s.

The only exception I can think of is Wilbur Wood, whose last season was when he was 37. But after initially being a reliever Wood became a starter and a workhorse unlike no one since the early 1900s when Cy Young and Jack Chesbro were compiling stats that will never be surpassed. Wood pitched 376 innings in 1972 and 359 innings in 1973. In '73 he won and lost 20 games, finishing 24-20!

With that kind of endurance and with the amount of money baseball players make now, there should be lots of aspiring pitchers trying to master the knuckleball.

Yeah, always one of my favorite pitches growing up. In addition to Phil, his brother Joe Niekro threw a good knuckler. Being a Dodger fan, Charlie Hough was one of my favorite knuckleballers. It is curious why nobody throws this pitch with any regularity, or at all these days. I know for one that it's a difficult pitch to master since it is so unpredictable on its way to the plate. And it's boring. A slow, meandering pitch that won't wow anyone. These days pitchers just want to throw 100 MPH fastballs and 90 MPH sliders. And since they only pitch 6 innings at most, they can get away with it for awhile.

 

[Don Wassall]

Was looking at the three finalists in each league for the 2023 Cy Young Award and at first I thought I was reading The Onion or Babylon Bee. Of the three AL finalists one finished the '23 season with an 8-8 record and another was 12-9. 8-8 and he may win the award as the American League's best pitcher!!

The NL has a finalist with a 14-9 record and another with a record of, believe it or not, 11-13. When I followed baseball, starters who finished 8-8 or 11-13 were often back in the minors the next season or out of baseball altogether, especially if they were on a good team. Now they're the best of the best.

I don't care about their WAR, strikeouts per nine innings or any other metric, I could never get interested in baseball again when those kinds of won-loss records are competing for the Cy Young Award. I'm not encouraging anyone not to follow baseball as I don't like it when I read posts on CF encouraging people here to not watch any football and I'm glad we still have posters who do follow baseball as it's the only way I keep up at all.

But it certainly doesn't create any doubt in my mind that I might have made the wrong choice when I stopped following baseball over a decade ago, the sport I loved so much as a kid, in the way so many American boys have through the years, or used to, as I don't think the younger generations will ever understand the hold baseball used to have on this country. What hockey has always meant to Canadians is what baseball used to mean to Americans, is probably the best comparison. But I don't recognize baseball any more in a lot of different ways, from the disappearance of many fundamentals and basic strategies, to the strikeout or hit a home run mentality that rules today, to the absurd amounts of guaranteed money thrown at mediocrities, to the way TV warps the natural rhythm and pace of baseball to try to adjust to a dumbed down population. Just no interest at all and don't see that changing.

 

[knightedsoldier5000]

Was looking at the three finalists in each league for the 2023 Cy Young Award and at first I thought I was reading The Onion or Babylon Bee. Of the three AL finalists one finished the '23 season with an 8-8 record and another was 12-9. 8-8 and he may win the award as the American League's best pitcher!!

The NL has a finalist with a 14-9 record and another with a record of, believe it or not, 11-13. When I followed baseball, starters who finished 8-8 or 11-13 were often back in the minors the next season or out of baseball altogether, especially if they were on a good team. Now they're the best of the best.

I don't care about their WAR, strikeouts per nine innings or any other metric, I could never get interested in baseball again when those kinds of won-loss records are competing for the Cy Young Award. I'm not encouraging anyone not to follow baseball as I don't like it when I read posts on CF encouraging people here to not watch any football and I'm glad we still have posters who do follow baseball as it's the only way I keep up at all.

But it certainly doesn't create any doubt in my mind that I might have made the wrong choice when I stopped following baseball over a decade ago, the sport I loved so much as a kid, in the way so many American boys have through the years, or used to, as I don't think the younger generations will ever understand the hold baseball used to have on this country. What hockey has always meant to Canadians is what baseball used to mean to Americans, is probably the best comparison. But I don't recognize baseball any more in a lot of different ways, from the disappearance of many fundamentals and basic strategies, to the strikeout or hit a home run mentality that rules today, to the absurd amounts of guaranteed money thrown at mediocrities, to the way TV warps the natural rhythm and pace of baseball to try to adjust to a dumbed down population. Just no interest at all and don't see that changing.

It's absolutely ridiculous that Spencer Strider with 20 wins isn't one of the top 3 finalists, but we do live in clown world.

I was a huge baseball fan too as a child. I loved McGwire, then a couple years after his huge season we found out they were all on steroids. Then Bonds cheated his way to the top. I was done with baseball. Mike Trout got me paying some attention again when he came on the scene, at least to check box scores. But it's totally different now than it was in the 80s with greats like Boggs, Mattingly, and even black stars like Puckett and Gwynn. Back then if a hitter struck out 100 X / year he was a total bum ready to be sent down to the minors. Now, it's rare for someone to have less than 100 Ks. The game has not changed for the better by any stretch of the imagination.

The steroid scandal ruined the game for me. They're all a bunch of cheaters.

 

[FootballDad]

Big money has played a huge role in destroying the sport from a fan standpoint as well. The NFL managed this by instituting the salary cap and negotiating deals with the players union. Baseball has no parity at all. Big money teams will win nine times out of ten over a small-market team that can't pay every player 10 million a year.

As Don mentions, the basic fundamentals of the game are lost. Everything is about power, hitters and pitchers both. Back when I was a huge baseball fan in the '70s and '80s, you knew your starting rotation. Pitchers were the equivelent to quarterbacks in the NFL. Now every staff is largely a bunch of nobodies, complete games, no-hitters and perfect games are a mere memory. It's all a committee. Look at game 4 for the Diamondbacks in the WS, they literally just used the bullpen from the start, everyone got an inning or two. Absurd and unwatchable.

 

[sport historian]

Was looking at the three finalists in each league for the 2023 Cy Young Award and at first I thought I was reading The Onion or Babylon Bee. Of the three AL finalists one finished the '23 season with an 8-8 record and another was 12-9. 8-8 and he may win the award as the American League's best pitcher!!

The NL has a finalist with a 14-9 record and another with a record of, believe it or not, 11-13. When I followed baseball, starters who finished 8-8 or 11-13 were often back in the minors the next season or out of baseball altogether, especially if they were on a good team. Now they're the best of the best.

I don't care about their WAR, strikeouts per nine innings or any other metric, I could never get interested in baseball again when those kinds of won-loss records are competing for the Cy Young Award. I'm not encouraging anyone not to follow baseball as I don't like it when I read posts on CF encouraging people here to not watch any football and I'm glad we still have posters who do follow baseball as it's the only way I keep up at all.

But it certainly doesn't create any doubt in my mind that I might have made the wrong choice when I stopped following baseball over a decade ago, the sport I loved so much as a kid, in the way so many American boys have through the years, or used to, as I don't think the younger generations will ever understand the hold baseball used to have on this country. What hockey has always meant to Canadians is what baseball used to mean to Americans, is probably the best comparison. But I don't recognize baseball any more in a lot of different ways, from the disappearance of many fundamentals and basic strategies, to the strikeout or hit a home run mentality that rules today, to the absurd amounts of guaranteed money thrown at mediocrities, to the way TV warps the natural rhythm and pace of baseball to try to adjust to a dumbed down population. Just no interest at all and don't see that changing.

I remember in my childhood baseball being the number one sport and how big the World Series was. They didn't need the hype machine used for the Super Bowl. Until 1971 the WS was played during the daytime. People would tell each other what the score was.

 

[white is right]

Big money has played a huge role in destroying the sport from a fan standpoint as well. The NFL managed this by instituting the salary cap and negotiating deals with the players union. Baseball has no parity at all. Big money teams will win nine times out of ten over a small-market team that can't pay every player 10 million a year.

As Don mentions, the basic fundamentals of the game are lost. Everything is about power, hitters and pitchers both. Back when I was a huge baseball fan in the '70s and '80s, you knew your starting rotation. Pitchers were the equivelent to quarterbacks in the NFL. Now every staff is largely a bunch of nobodies, complete games, no-hitters and perfect games are a mere memory. It's all a committee. Look at game 4 for the Diamondbacks in the WS, they literally just used the bullpen from the start, everyone got an inning or two. Absurd and unwatchable.

I remember when Jose Canseco's skills slipped to the point where he only swung for the fences and either struck out or hit a homerun and never shortened up his swing. He was maligned for this but in this era every slugger is doing this. Schwarber didn't even break the Mendoza line(.200) and there wasn't any talk of his career fading or if he needed to tune up his swing in the off season.

This era of station to station baseball with a dh in both leagues is barely watchable IMO. It reminds me of weekend beer league softball games.

PS I remember when you went to school and at around 3pm the playoff games began. I remember coming home and running to a neighbors house to watch the playoff Dent homerun off of Mike Torrez. I also remember when the world series switched from day to night games on weekdays but kept the day games on the weekend for families so that grammar school children wouldn't doze off early in the game.

The only thing that has kept any daytime games on television is the over lap of the first round which is because everybody and his brother makes the first round now.

 

[Bucky]

Orioles' Henderson wins AL ROY unanimously

Baltimore Orioles shortstop Gunnar Henderson garnered all 30 first-place votes win American League Rookie of the Year unanimously.

www.espn.com

 

[white lightning]

I don't like this move but I understand why they did it. I hates seeing so much baseball history changed but that's modern sports sadly.
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