Mets do 180 on racial makeup

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It is not unusual for a new GM to immediately put his stamp
on a team after taking over. He is for all intents and purposes the new
"sheriff"Â in town.







When Omar Minaya â€" the first "Latino" to become an MLB </span>GM - took over as GM for the New York Mets,
he set about to "clean house"Â from his predecessors Steve Phillips and Jim
Duquette. So he brought in Pedro Martinez, Carlos Beltran, Carlos Delgado,
Johan Santana, and Francisco Rodriguez as players to help resuscitate a dormant
franchise. No one can truly fault him for these acquisitions, players who had a
track record of good performances for other teams, so the hope was the Mets
would become contenders for a long time.







However, the house-cleaning started to look a little fishy
with certain trades, notably when he traded away Kris Benson for a 40-year-old
relief pitcher Roberto Hernandez, with a White pitcher (John Maine) included in
the deal. The joke was that the trade was really about ridding the Mets of </span>the very public and opinionated Anna Benson â€"
Kris' wife. Some NY fans, however, couldn't help but feel that Minaya was using
that excuse in his remaking the team into "Los Mets."Â







Now, Omar Minaya has been sent packing in favor of </span>Sandy Alderson, who is considered the
Godfather of what is called Moneyball (stats over observed skills), and he has
set about undoing his predecessor's
</span>acquisitions. Bullpen mainstay Pedro Feliciano was not offered a new
contract. One-time lightning in a bottle player Fernando Tatis was let go.
Elmer Dessens, the injured and never pitched Kelvim Escobar, and catchers Omir
Santos and Henry Blanco all declared free agency.







The most stunning moves of all were to come: the waiving of
Mets pariahs </span>pitcher Oliver Perez and 2B
Luis Castillo, which sent a cheer throughout the fan base.







The end result is that the Opening Day 25-man roster for the
Mets looks to be one of the Whitest teams in MLB.







With Johan Santana on the shelf recovering from surgery, the
starting rotation looks to be an all-White affair.







Mike Pelfrey looks to be the Opening Day Starter â€" hoping to
build upon his 15-win 2010 season. Chris Young and Chris Capuano are both
talented </span>starters trying to reestablish
their careers coming off injuries. Knuckleballer R.A. Dickey is looking to pick
up his re-invention where he left off in 2010 and Jonathon Niese is a young
pitcher looking to take the next step up. If any of the starters falter,
prospects Pat Misch and Dillon Gee wait in the wings.







Prospect Josh Thole has been effectively handed the starting
catcher position. He projects to be a good bat, but his catching skills have
been questioned. His development this season will indeed be worth observing.
David Wright is the mainstay at 3B and is looking to continue solving the
"riddle of Citi Field."Â In 2009 he struggled with his power numbers, in 2010
his BA dipped to a still respectable .283 but he did launch 29 HR's . Wright will
be looking to return to 30-30 .320 form. Across the diamond, Ike Davis looks to
build upon a good rookie year and establish himself as the Mets 1B-man for now
and into the future.







The waiving of the aforementioned Castillo left 2B as the
most contested everyday position. The Mets have been high on getting Daniel
Murphy's bat into the lineup. His 2010 season wiped out by injury, they have
been looking to find a place for Murphy to fit on the team. Right now the
competition is between him and Rule 5 Draft acquisition Brad Emaus for the job,
along with weak-hitting Luis Hernandez. Failing winning starting 2B outright, Murphy
is seen as no worse than back-up IF for first, second and third-base







Jason Bay
looks to rebound from a struggling and concussion shortened 2010 with a big
offensive season, which would help the Mets contend. Perennial prospect Nick
Evans might have secured himself a spot on the 25-man roster with his strong
Grapefruit League performance and serve as 4<sup>th</sup> OF, possibly starting
often if now-RF Carlos Beltran's permanently disabled knees act up frequently..







In the bullpen, former Mets "Generation K"Â prospect and
former Cardinals closer (but oft-injured) Jason Isringhausen returns to help as
potential set-up man, along with Bobby Parnell and acquisitions Taylor Buchholz
and Tim Byrdak.







In the most "cosmopolitan"Â multicultural city in the world,
up to 20 out of 25 roster spots look to be White players, with a minimum of 17
White players on the roster, a complete 180 from 2010's 18 of 25 being
foreign-born.


Edited by: Jack Acid
 

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Interesting info there, Jack Acid, and welcome to CF! It is good to see positive changes within one team, but it would really be great to see this happen all throughout the majors.
 

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Great post Jack Acid. Very informative. From one fellow New Yorker to another, welcome to the board!
 

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Colonel_Reb said:
Interesting info there, Jack Acid, and welcome to CF!
Thanks, Colonel!
It is good to see positive changes within one team, but it would really be great to see this happen all throughout the majors.

As the "Chairman" Frank Sinatra would say: "If I can make it there, I can make it anywhere!"

If it works in Queens, it'll be duplicated across MLB.
 

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Freethinker said:
Great post Jack Acid. Very informative. From one fellow New Yorker to another, welcome to the board!
Thanks, Freethinker. Us NY guys must stick together.
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Welcome to the site.A few months ago I mentionedin this forum thatthe ultra-liberal media in Toronto hated J.P. Ricciardi because his teams were "too white". Somedubbed him a racist and his teams were mockingly called the "White Jays", by the commies. If I'm not mistaken, Ricciardi is now with the Mets, re-united with his ex-boss from Oakland?


http://www.canadafreepress.com/2003/media070703.htm

None the less, I think the Mets will improve draftically with Alderson and Ricciardi running the show. Heck, what does the NYC media know anyway, they were the same clowns slobbering all Carmelo Anthony...and how's that trade looking at this point
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Very good post Jack,and welcome!,yes you are right about the Mets,but the Phillies have gone the other way,adding Castillo to their lineup,the push for diversity,and the displacement of White American players continues unabated as many teams invest in training facilities in the Dominican Republic,watching the college world series,and minor league baseball brings a sense of frustration also as the "social engineers"inject multiculturalism there also!
 

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Mets Opening Day Roster (White players in bold):

C - Josh Thole
1B - Ike Davis
2B - Brad Emaus
3B - David Wright
SS - Jose Reyes
LF - Lucas Duda*
CF - Angel Pagan
RF - Carlos Beltran

SP - Mike Pelfrey
SP - Jonathon Niese
SP - R.A. Dickey
SP - Chris Young
SP - Chris Capuano

Bench:

IF - Daniel Murphy, Chin-lung Hu,
OF - Scott Hairston, Willie Harris
C - Mike Nickeas

Bullpen

Francisco Rodriguez
D.J. Carrasco
Bobby Parnell
Blaine Boyer
Taylor Bucholz
Tim Byrdak
Pedro Beato

In total 17 Whites on the current active roster.

* Lucas Duda will likely be demoted once Jason Bay is able to return from the DL.
 

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Sandy Alderson hasn't wasted any time in upgrading and updating the roster. 2B Brad Emaus and RP Blaine Boyer have both been DFA'd. OF Lucas Duda and RP Bobby Parnell returned to the minors as expected. Both SP Chris Young and CF Angel Pagan are on the 15-day DL. CF Jason Pridie, 2B Justin Turner, and RP Jason Isringhausen and Ryota Igarashi have been called up. Jason Bay has been activated from the DL and has produced positive early returns.

Current roster:

C - Josh Thole
1B - Ike Davis
2B - Daniel Murphy
3B - David Wright
SS - Jose Reyes
LF - Jason Bay
CF - Jason Pridie
RF - Carlos Beltran

SP - Mike Pelfrey
SP - Jonathon Niese
SP - R.A. Dickey
SP - Dillon Gee
SP - Chris Capuano

Bench:

IF - Justin Turner, Chin-lung Hu,
OF - Scott Hairston, Willie Harris
C - Mike Nickeas

Bullpen

Francisco Rodriguez
D.J. Carrasco
Jason Isringhausen
Ryota Igarashi
Taylor Bucholz
Tim Byrdak
Pedro Beato
 

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1B Ike Davis is going to be a star. He is tearing it up on my fantasy baseball team!
 

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Sandy Alderson hasn't wasted any time in upgrading and updating the roster. 2B Brad Emaus and RP Blaine Boyer have both been DFA'd. OF Lucas Duda and RP Bobby Parnell returned to the minors as expected. Both SP Chris Young and CF Angel Pagan are on the 15-day DL. CF Jason Pridie, 2B Justin Turner, and RP Jason Isringhausen and Ryota Igarashi have been called up. Jason Bay has been activated from the DL and has produced positive early returns.

Current roster:

C - Josh Thole
1B - Ike Davis
2B - Daniel Murphy
3B - David Wright
SS - Jose Reyes
LF - Jason Bay
CF - Jason Pridie
RF - Carlos Beltran

SP - Mike Pelfrey
SP - Jonathon Niese
SP - R.A. Dickey
SP - Dillon Gee
SP - Chris Capuano

Bench:

IF - Justin Turner, Chin-lung Hu,
OF - Scott Hairston, Willie Harris
C - Mike Nickeas

Bullpen

Francisco Rodriguez
D.J. Carrasco
Jason Isringhausen
Ryota Igarashi
Taylor Bucholz
Tim Byrdak
Pedro Beato
Alderson has continued whitening the Mets from even last year's team. He let Jose Reyes walk and traded Carlos Beltran. This team is such a joy to watch compared to Los Mets under Omar Minaya. With the current injury to Andres Torres (who is fairly White anyway), the Mets are starting 8 of 9 Whites on a daily basis. Usual lineup complete with the players age:

SS - Rubén Tejada (22)
2B - Daniel Murphy (27)
3B - David Wright (29)
1B - Ike Davis (25)
LF - Jason Bay (33)
RF - Lucas Duda (
26)
C - Josh Thole (25)
CF - Kirk Nieuwenhuis (24)

P - 4 of the 5 Mets starters are White (Johan Santana could be traded by midseason depending on his health and the Mets record)

Of the bench 3 of 5 guys are White: Justin Turner, Mike Baxter and Mike Nickeas.

The bullpen is a bit Latino but overall the team is definitly one to root for with young talent. 17 of 25 overall are White guys. They started the season 3-0 but are expected to struggle in a tough NL East. Let's see if they can surprise people.
 

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Nice to see the Mets' dramatic demographic makeover. It's been a rarity over the past 20 years for a New York or New Jersey team in baseball, football or basketball to be among the relatively White friendliest in those sports.
 

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Sandy Alderson is a Marine 67-68 grunt and the father of "moneyball."

He's a good guy.

Tom Iron...
 

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Sounds like a good turn for the Mets. Speaking of MLB...what are the (current) projections in the way of teams with the # of White starters (including Pitchers and closers)?
 

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Sounds like a good turn for the Mets. Speaking of MLB...what are the (current) projections in the way of teams with the # of White starters (including Pitchers and closers)?
I don't know what the Mets were thinking when they did their ethnic pandering. The Mets were always a team that was rooted on by predominately White NYC people and people from Long Island and Jersey. I recall seeing PR or Dominican thugs attacking Mets fans who wore Mets colors during inter-league games and the Subway series in 2000. When the Giants played in the Polo Grounds which was in Harlem the Giants had Black and PR following around the time they left for San Fran Freako....
 

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I don't know what the Mets were thinking when they did their ethnic pandering. The Mets were always a team that was rooted on by predominately White NYC people and people from Long Island and Jersey. I recall seeing PR or Dominican thugs attacking Mets fans who wore Mets colors during inter-league games and the Subway series in 2000. When the Giants played in the Polo Grounds which was in Harlem the Giants had Black and PR following around the time they left for San Fran Freako....

Mets were being run by Omar Minaya (from 2004 to 2009) and his top assistant, Tony Bernazard, who made it well known early on that they wanted to use their clout as "Latino's" to bring in big name Hispanic free agents. Both were AA hires from Montreal, brought in to run the Expos when Bud Selig (and MLB) ran the team for several years. Frank Robinson, who was way too disinterested (used to fall asleep in the dugout) to be a skipper in his 70's, was another AA hire by Selig -- he actually made it to Washington after they were sold/moved.

While some of Minaya's big name signings did okay for a few years (Beltran, Pedro Martinez, Delgado), they wildly overpaid for these stars and loaded up the roster with too many marginal Latin veterans that did little. So the team eventually got into a huge finacial mess and had really little to show for those years of free-spending on Latin stars....Irony here is, outside of Jason Bay, most of these whites starting today came up through the sytem while Minaya was in charge.

One good thing that did happen while Minaya was in charge, is there was some fan backlash about the team being too Latin...I never seen this sort of DWF backlash with the Knicks, Nets, Jets or Giants (being too black). This "backlash" probably led to the Bay signing, as the Mets owners knew they couldn't field an all-Latin team and still hope to fill Citi-Field.
 

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So far, the Mets are playing some real good baseball.
It'll be interesting to watch them this year. The combination of Alderson and Collins seems to be clicking early anyway. Last night, every player on the field for the Mets, except one was a white guy.

Tom Iron...
 
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