Malignaggi vs. Ngoudjo

[Charles Martel]

Paulie Malignaggi will be fighting to defend his IBF Light Welterweight title on Jan 5, televised by Showtime.

I remember a few years ago in Toronto, I went to watch some amateur fights with several other Canadians I worked with, including a black man and a black woman. One of our local Toronto white boxers was fighting an American black guy. It was a very good, close fight, and I noticed the blacks were becoming very excited, rooting for the American to defeat the Canadian...

Another time, at Cobo Arena in Detroit on a Hearns undercard, a black fighter from Britain was fighting a local Michigan white boxer. I remember how all the American blacks sitting around me were rooting for the British boxer...

This Saturday, although I'm Canadian, I'll be rooting for the American to defeat the Canadian-based Ngoudjo! Go Paulie!

 

[Maple Leaf]

JD1986:

I have seen the same thing you talked about countless times. Once I mentioned how on Eastside Boxing how, since blacks mostly support their own regardless of origin, I do the same. I was banned for it.

In boxing, and all fighting, most fans see colour first with few exceptions other than whites who are stunned and brought up to be embarassed to talk about their own race.

I'm with you, go Malignaggi.

 

[Guest]

Happy New Year Gents. Growning up I watched and attended many boxing matches. I always observed what you guys mentioned, blacks rooting for blacks regardless of nationality. What I found odd was the most fanatical were the black women! These woman have be abused verbally and physically by their black men for ages. They would be dismissed by most black men for any thing not negro, i.e; white, hispanic and Indian (from India)! This is truely shameful.

One time back in 1978 I went to the Los Angeles Sports Arena to watch an up and coming black welterweight. He was fighting some dark complexion Mexican fighter who had no chance of winning. During the bout, a negro with entitlement money was yelling at the top of his voice, "f..k up that white boy up, crack that cracker"! This moron with his supposed life of oppression was lumping a Mexican as a white. From that point on, I always root for anyone against a black fighter. The two exceptions were Sugar Ray Leanord and Ken Norton becuase they were true sportsmen.

Anyways I am hoping for Malignaggi to win. I just wish he had more pop in his fists. He has outstanding boxing skills. He will have to totally rely on them to win most of his fights Go Magic Man!

 

[white is right]

I can't see Paulie losing to this guy. The African can't punch and is mostly rugged, but not tremendously skilled. I know this site hates stereotypes but African fighters and dirty/rugged fighting is quite prominent. The sugary slick Black North American fighter didn't inherit that slickness from his African ancestors....

 

[lumsdenpower]

Well, throw me what you want lol but I'm gonna root for Hermann Ngoudjo..I've met him one and he is a gentleman, he is proud of the Quebec.
Even if he is a born african, when Bute faced Bika(another african), Ngoudjo was rooting for Bute saying that now Ngoudjo is canadian like Bute..
I think that's gonna be the first time of my life that I root for a black man over a white!

I hope you are still liking me

GO NGOUDJO!!!!

 

[Guest]

In life there is always exceptions. Lumsdenpower, let this be an exception. In my life, there were two exceptions, Ray Leonard and Ken Norton due to the way they fought and the class they exhibited after they won.

I still hope the Magic Man wins to further destroy the myth of the black affelet and fighter.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Well, throw me what you want lol but I'm gonna root for Hermann Ngoudjo..I've met him one and he is a gentleman, he is proud of the Quebec.
Even if he is a born african, when Bute faced Bika(another african), Ngoudjo was rooting for Bute saying that now Ngoudjo is canadian like Bute..
I think that's gonna be the first time of my life that I root for a black man over a white!

I hope you are still liking me

GO NGOUDJO!!!!

An excerpt taken from an article written on fightnews.com:


Ngoudjo earned the shot at Malignaggi by registering a 12-round split decision over hard-hitting, former world champion Randall Bailey in an IBF elimination bout in his last start on June 8, 2007.

"This world title fight means the world to me," Ngoudjo said. "I've waited a long time and endured plenty of hardships. I've made a lot of sacrifices to get to this point and trust me when I say this, I will win this fight.

"I don't care what Malignaggi says or what he thinks of me. I'm going to take his belt."

With a victory over Malignaggi, Ngoudjo, nicknamed "Black Panther" for his quickness and speed, will become the first boxer from Cameroon to capture a world title.

Even though Ngoudjo feels that his country has been less than supportive, he still yearns to make his native country proud of him.

"I'll go back to Cameroon after I win the title," Ngoudjo said. "Hopefully, my country will have a big parade for me."








My response:

How easily we are fooled to lose favour for our own kind. He is not a Canadian, he is not a Quebecer, he is not proud of Quebec. And I would not expect him to be any of those as it would be unfair to HIM. His head and heart lie in his homeland, CAMEROON, as it is should be.



As for the fight, Malignaggi survived the onslaught of Cotto and has gone on to improve himself further. His speed will be telling as he wins a majority decision.


Edited by: Maple Leaf

 

[aussieaussie31]

Anyone who has the nickname of "black panther" is gonna have to wait a very long time for me to cheer him on.

 

[Charles Martel]

Anyone who has the nickname of "black panther" is gonna have to wait a very long time for me to cheer him on.

Same with me. Go Paulie!

 

[Guest]

Paulie the 'Magic Man' won a UD! It was a tough fight. I had Malignaggi winning by 1 or 2 points, by no means was it a cake walk for him. He seemed to be off a little bit. Maybe the 7 months away from the ring had a factor in his subpar performance. The most important thing is that he got the W.

Hopefully the next fight he will look better, congrats to the 'Magic Man' on a hard earned victory.

 

[White Shogun]

I'm surprised but not surprised that this fight was on PPV. I tuned in to Showtime expecting to be able to watch the fight, and switch back and forth between it and the Stillers game.

Much to my surprise, it was only on PPV. But I thought about it, and boxing rarely ever televises a fight that isn't PPV, so....

 

[Guest]

I have Dish Network and it was free. I saw some adds regarding this fight being on PPV, but it was free on my set. Maybe Dish was showing me some love for the 50 dollars I dropped on the Hatton/PBF fight.

 

[Charles Martel]

Paulie the 'Magic Man' won a UD! It was a tough fight. I had Malignaggi winning by 1 or 2 points, by no means was it a cake walk for him. He seemed to be off a little bit. Maybe the 7 months away from the ring had a factor in his subpar performance. The most important thing is that he got the W.

Good point about the 7 months inactivity - fighters sometimes become less sharp and focused after many months away from the ring.

It was a close fight, with Paulie doing just enough to win some of the rounds. I watched it on French Canadian TV. Paulie didn't seem as quick and energetic tonight as he was in his brilliant performance against N'Dou. I scored it 115-113 for Malignaggi. Nice to see Paulie survive his mandatory and retain his IBF title!

Edited by: JD1986

 

[Maple Leaf]

Malignaggi defeats Ngoudjo!

Saturday, January 5 2008

By Matt Richardson at ringside / Photo: Ed Mulholland


IBF junior welterweight champion Paulie Malignaggi (24-1, 5 KOs) won a twelve round unanimous decision over Herman Ngoudjo (16-2, 9 KOs) on Saturday night at Bally's in Atlantic City. Malignaggi got off to a good start, but Ngoudjo started getting to him in the third and cut him over the left eye in the fourth. Things settled down in the fifth and sixth, but the challenger had a big round seven, punishing Malignaggi for the full three minutes. Malignaggi outboxed Ngoudjo down the stretch, but Ngoudjo closed strong. In the end, scores were 115-113, 116-113, 117-111.


------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------





Was there ever ANY doubt? Thank you Paulie for bettering my caste record on predictions to 6-1. All he had to do is keep his hands pumping and moving laterally and that's what he did.

 

[white is right]

I'm surprised but not surprised that this fight was on PPV. I tuned in to Showtime expecting to be able to watch the fight, and switch back and forth between it and the Stillers game.

Much to my surprise, it was only on PPV. But I thought about it, and boxing rarely ever televises a fight that isn't PPV, so....

Wow a relatively nothing fight like this on PPV? I saw this fight for free on French CBC, Vive le France...

 

[referendum]

Nice to see a white boxer getting a win via decision, that there are fair judges out there who don't automatically give an edge to a black fighter.

 

[Maple Leaf]

white is right wrote:

"Wow a relatively nothing fight like this on PPV? I saw this fight for free on French CBC, Vive le France... "


It's vive le Québec...but I'll forgive you.

It is pretentious of the Liberal run RADIO CANADAto present fighters like Ngoudjo as Québecers. If they think they are fooling anyone they are not. Only an unpatriotic twit would assume these foreigners are nothing less than what they are: fighters fighting and training out of gyms located in the province of Québec.
There aren't any twits around here, are there?

 

[JD074]

I scored it 115-113 for Malignaggi.

That's about what I had. I gave Paulie seven or eight rounds, I couldn't quite decide on the eighth round. I thought Paulie won five of the first six rounds, and N'Goudjo decisively won only four rounds (4, 7, 11, and 12.) Al Bernstein was really getting on my nerves. He was acting as if N'Goudjo had decisively won rounds 5 and 6. I don't think so! And neither did the judges or press row scoring (I assume, given their scores.) N'Goudjo did next to nothing in those rounds. Walking forward and missing does not win rounds! And he kept complaining about Paulie not throwing enough jabs, but in many rounds, including 5 and 6, that's pretty much all he threw! I haven't had a problem with Bernstein before, but he really had me fuming last night.

 

[lumsdenpower]

Ngoudjo was robbed, comon everybody, that was clear
Paulie wasnt doing sh*t, Ngoudjo was the better boxer ...
That's another shot at boxing..One judge had it 117-111 for the metrosexual..comon that a joke, thats lame...


(I feel like a troll lol but i'm not one!)

 

[white is right]

I tuned in at the midpoint of the fight because I didn't know that it was on network tv . From what I saw the fight looked about even, but the African fighter clearly dominated the 7th. Actually I thought it was a matter of time until he ko'd Paulie(while watching the 7th), so for Paulie to be even up with him for the rest of the fight, the scoring was about right. Also from what I read Paulie swept the early rounds. I know Radio Canada had the scoring 117-111 Ngoudjo and the guy doing the scoring is former referee and current world class judge(Guy Jutras).

 

[Guest]

Ngoudjo was robbed, comon everybody, that was clear
Paulie wasnt doing sh*t, Ngoudjo was the better boxer ...
That's another shot at boxing..One judge had it 117-111 for the metrosexual..comon that a joke, thats lame...


(I feel like a troll lol but i'm not one!)

I completely agree. Here's two posts I made on another forum right after the fight:


Malignaggi looked very weak, and he was ineffective throughout. I always root for the White guy, but that was a bullsh*t decision. Par for the course in the crooked world of pro boxing.


ww
_________________



They ought to hire me as Malignaggi's trainer. First of all, I know how to tie a shoelace. Then I'd have him lift weights so he doesn't punch like a girl. And then I'd have him start acting like a White man.




ww



_________________________


"117-111"? I missed that one!




ww
Edited by: werewolf

 

[Maple Leaf]

Over the weekend thousands of posters on websites known chattered and bemoaned how Ngoudjo was "robbed" and cited over and again how we only had to look at round 7 - which Ngoudjo clearly won - as an example. Like parrots they all chirped: "round 7...wraaap...round 7...wraaap".

I reviewed round 7. It's on youtube right now. I counted 4 clean right hands that Ngoudjo landed in 3 minutes - and some punches behind the head when they clinched.
Could this be that highlight round 7 all of the chatter-bugs were talking about? There wasn't even 1 knockdown; it was just a 10-9 round. The way they went on one would think they were talking about round 1 of Paquiao/Marquez or round 1 of Hearns/Duran!

 

[Maple Leaf]

They ought to hire me as Malignaggi's trainer. First of all, I know how to tie a shoelace. Then I'd have him lift weights so he doesn't punch like a girl. And then I'd have him start acting like a White man.

Werewolf, I don't think weights are what Malignaggi needs.

Malignaggi's forte is his hand and foot speed. He won the fight because of it. Extensive weight training will either make him put on weight or tense his arms and slow him down. If he puts on weight he'll have to fight even bigger men than he is fighting now and he will have even less power. If his arms become more toned and tensed as a result of extensive weight training he'll be slower and experience more arm fatigue during longer fights and his punch count will fall. No, more weight training isn't going to give him more punching power and make him punch less "like a girl", as you say.

Have you ever heard of Mark Breland? He was a black American boxer who won a gold medal in the '84 Olympics. He had a bean pole body which he wasn't too proud of as he covered up immediatly after fights. He was undefeated as an amateur and won a good many pro fights as well on his way to the top. He wasn't perfect by no means but he made the most out of nothing -and I mean nothing- by using good technique. Breland looked emancipated but he still was able to punch with some power.

Why have I brought this guy up? Breland is a good example of how good technique can go far. Malinaggi needs to bend more at the knees and push from the floor. He needs to "sit on his punches": when he power punches. He runs around and flails and that is why he has no power. You know something about weightlifting. When a weightlifter wants to clean more over his head he bends his knees and springs the weight up. A similiar idea is employed in boxing. The punch has to come from the entire body. A good example of an active boxer with this type of technique is a man you love to go to bat for: Ricky Hatton. Watch Hatton's short, compact, piston-like punches. He has laid a lot of welts with those!





Edited by: Maple Leaf

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

Well, throw me what you want lol but I'm gonna root for Hermann Ngoudjo..I've met him one and he is a gentleman, he is proud of the Quebec.
Even if he is a born african, when Bute faced Bika(another african), Ngoudjo was rooting for Bute saying that now Ngoudjo is canadian like Bute..
I think that's gonna be the first time of my life that I root for a black man over a white!

I hope you are still liking me

GO NGOUDJO!!!!

My response:

How easily we are fooled to lose favour for our own kind. He is not a Canadian, he is not a Quebecer, he is not proud of Quebec. And I would not expect him to be any of those as it would be unfair to HIM. His head and heart lie in his homeland, CAMEROON, as it is should be.



As for the fight, Malignaggi survived the onslaught of Cotto and has gone on to improve himself further. His speed will be telling as he wins a majority decision.

It doesn't mean he doesn't support Canada, it is just that he supports the land he was born in more.

I just recently moved to New Jersey and am a duel citizen of the U.S and Canada. I already don't like Jersey much and it has me longing strongly for my birthplace Canada. I always cheer for Canada and Ireland before the U.S, but that doesn't mean I don't like America at all. It seems to me this Ngoudjo is a decent guy who is proud of his birthplace Cameroon foremost, but also loves Canada and the life it has brought him.

How can you fault a guy for loving and supporting his birth country of Cameroon that is filled with poverty. From my impression blacks from Africa and black Canadians are usually less racist against whites than black Americans, just my two cents. I think this is because black Americans haven't forgiven white Americans for Slavery or lack of Southern rights until the 60's and demogouges like Jesse Jackson aren't helping. I truly think this Ngoudjo guy may support a white Canadian from time to time that he likes or knows over a black American. LumsdenPower should feel no shame for supporting a black Canadian from time to time that is a stand up guy, but I admit I was still rooting for Malignaggi!

 

[jaxvid]

Your race is your country. Blood ties trump any concept of "nation" which are just lines drawn by a politican on a map. If you have any questions about this ask a black person they can explain it to you in clear terms as they understand the concept while many whites do not.