Lovie Smith .... Great Job ...

[PitBull]

If Mike Hass was so slow, why was he drafted? Winning college awards
doesn't guarantee anything, but it does provide the OPPORTUNITY to
prove oneself and be drafted high. Name another big college award
winner drafted in the 6th round. Steve Largnet was "slow" too. I'm glad
he was cut before he did the Seahawks damage. Face it, there's a lot
more to getting open and catching a pass than blazing speed. See Willie
Gault. He didn't even see the field much in the pre-season.

Lots of black college QB's are steered into different postions in the NFL.
But why don't you answer White Shoguns' point about Matt Jones not
being good enough to QB in the pros, while his backup is? Please address
this specific case.

Speaking of steering, if black athletes are steered into RB, CB, and WR,
where are white athletes steered? You wouldn't be admitting that white
athletes are steered toward fullback, tight end, linebacker, and safety, are
you? Because steering athletes into postions because of race is one of the
controversial ideas on this site.

Lovie knew darn well who Brock Forsey was. He was trying to be funny,
but instead revealed his racism toward white running backs, in addition
to a deficient ability to make funny jokes. Oops!

David Halberstam is an independent writer, not a national TV show figure
like Michael Irvin. Kind of hard to lose your job when you're self-
employed.

 

[C Darwin]

I wonder what it would look like if we took portraits of the scientists
at Fermilab and lined them up next to one another.

 

[foreverfree]

Looks like a photo lineup in an alleged case of gang rape by a team of football players. But they only do that to lacrosse players..

You've got too much time on your hands, FSU.

How much time is it supposed to take to click the add image button, and copy and paste a link? 5 seconds, maybe? I don't get your point..

Do you have enough time on your hands to identify these guys, FSU? I only know (some of) the names. I can't identify Lito Sheppard. And I'm an Eagles fan.

John

 

[foreverfree]

Looks like a photo lineup in an alleged case of gang rape by a team of football players. But they only do that to lacrosse players..

You've got too much time on your hands, FSU.

How much time is it supposed to take to click the add image button, and copy and paste a link? 5 seconds, maybe? I don't get your point..

Do you have enough time on your hands to identify (every one of) these guys, FSU? I only know (some of) the names. I can't identify Lito Sheppard. And I'm an Eagles fan.

John

 

[Kaptain]

You think winning a collegiate award automatically equate to pro success? What about Rashaan Salaam? Eric Crouch? Andre Ware? Charlie Ward? Desmond Howard? Tommy Frazier? How much run do you think Troy Smith is gonna get?

So much inaccuracy and twisted thinking in your posts. I'll just talk about the paragraph above. Every person you mentioned except Eric Crouch did get more than a shot at the NFL. Charlie Ward opted for the NBA; with similar college stats he would never a sniff of the NBA if he were white. Tommy Frazier had blood clotting problems that ended his chances. Had he been healthy some team would have given him a Kordell Stewart type of treatment. Troy Smith will get drafted high and play for an NFL team. That leaves Eric Crouch and Mike Haas as the only ones legitamate contenders that didn't get a sniff. They have one thing in common - take a wild guess. Edited by: Kaptain Poop

 

[NotreDameIrish]

I quite like Tony Dungy
He has came out and said in the past how White players capable of playing corner and runningback,Wide Receiver at higher levels have been moved after High School level to other poisitons because of the colour of their skin etc and how nowadays positions have been labelled either Black positions or White positions.
i Certainly want him and Manning to win their first Superbowl...
GO COLTS

 

[Matt_Bowen_Fan]

Its true, Dungy has said it and to the national media as well; I think it gets overlooked and pushed aside due to his being biracial and/or a black head coach, but its unfortunate when Dungy is very likely our best shot at national recognition of the problem.

 

[SteveB]

What do you think of the treatment Mike Haas received this year?

He has 4.61 speed. Maybe they didn't think that would cut the mustard in the pros against nfl quality corners.

It hasn't stopped both Mike Williams and Anquoin Bolden (both had slower 40 times) from being employed in the NFL.

Black stud athletes are steered into the the RB, WR, and CB positions.. moreso than white stud athletes. There's always gonna end up being an overabundance of black RB's by college, and eventually the pros.

If you believe this, than you believe that the caste system exists. That is the caste system in a nutshell. There are hundreds of quality white RBs in high schools all across the country. All you have to do is look at the rushing stats for each state to see it. How come these kids don't get a shot to play RB in college? If they get recruited, they are moved to LB, Safety, or FB.

 

[Solomon Kane]

It's an interesting board, don't get me wrong.. but to me, most of the commentary comes across as petty and juvenile.

FSU, in my opinion, the basic insight of this site/board--that whites have gotten a raw deal over the last 35 years, i.e that there really is caste system, and a pro-black bias in the sports media--is pretty much self-evident. I hope that the consciousness about this can be raised so that Americans develop a more equitable system/culture.

But I think that you have a legitimate point. Some of the posts (not the majority of them, in my opinion) at CF can be petty and "whiny" in tone, and sometimes they don't manifest a human willingness to acknowledge the legitimate accomplishment of individuals from another race. You can acknowledge the accomplishments of others, and still root for your own people. (I root for white golfers, yet I acknowledge that Tiger Woods is the best golfer in the world at this point).

So Congrats to Dungy and Smith, who obviously managed well this year, and congrats to Manning, Grossman, and Urlacher.

Still, FSU, I think you will see an over-celebration of the "black victory" aspect of the upcoming Super Bowl. And it will *not* stop after two weeks. It will be used as another lever to demand yet more black coaches throughout the land, in HS, College, and Pros. It will be used to demand that black coaches who are failing be given extra chances. It will make black players in football consider football to be now all the more "their sport". Whites will be viewed increasingly as an anomaly in the very game they invented. Part of this is our fault, to be sure, but a lot does have to do with the culture and system developed over the last 35 years.

 

[voice]

Part of this is our fault, to be sure, but a lot does have to do with the culture and system developed over the last 35 years.

The "culture and system" of individual rights has evolved over the last 3000-4000 years in Western societies and is inherent to our willingness as a race to trust our fellow man which evolved for tens of thousands of years.

Although most whites are ignorant to the fact that whites are the least ethnocentric(i.e. tribal) of all racial groups, and to be perfectly frank, and are ripe for enslavement because of these weaknesses.

We already fund other races to breed unnaturally beyond our numbers(through taxation and non-profits like that nutcase Bill Gates runs) which effectively results in race replacement(some call it genocide)

I know whites want to be "fair" but no other racial group wants to be "fair" they just want to dominate their land area and acquire more whether that is through subjugation via race-replacement(miscegenation), economic enslavement via trade followed by genocide or just plain sheeple like psychological* enslavement like our current system("everything is great because all the races get along perfectly/affirmative action is a right not a privelege blah blah blah")
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*To act in your own interest is freedom

To be unable to act in your own interest in oppression

To act in others interest is slavery

Guess which phase we are in?

Edited by: voice

 

[chris371]

whoops sorry double post please deleteEdited by: chris371

 

[chris371]

Pray tell, why does a fat slow guy get to play RB,

but a muscular slow guy with great hands and similar speed spend his career blocking?

I guess the fat guy has that invisble, indefineable athleticism that the muscular guy is lacking. Edited by: chris371

 

[sunshine]

Throw into the formula would a college team made up of blacks bust their humps if say the wide receivers, running backs and cornerbacks were all white and the major talking point by the media? For some reason I find that hard to envision but that is my best guess at the moment. I suspect there is a built- in segregation system in place that stalls white growth in areas of skill/speed/ positions. Not everywhere but it sure seems common.

 

[Solomon Kane]

Part of this is our fault, to be sure, but a lot does have to do with the culture and system developed over the last 35 years.

The "culture and system" of individual rights has evolved over the last 3000-4000 years in Western societies and is inherent to our willingness as a race to trust our fellow man which evolved for tens of thousands of years.

Although most whites are ignorant to the fact that whites are the least ethnocentric(i.e. tribal) of all racial groups, and to be perfectly frank, and are ripe for enslavement because of these weaknesses.

We already fund other races to breed unnaturally beyond our numbers(through taxation and non-profits like that nutcase Bill Gates) which effectively results in race replacement(some call it genocide)

I know whites want to be "fair" but no other racial group wants to be "fair" they just want to dominate their land area and acquire more whether that is through subjugation via race-replacement(miscegenation), economic enslavement via trade followed by genocide or just plain sheeple like psychological* enslavement like our current system("everything is great because all the races get along perfectly/affirmative action is a right not a privelege blah blah blah")
---------------------------------------------------

*To act in your own interest is freedom

To be unable to act in your own interest in oppression

To act in others interest is slavery

Guess which phase we are in?

I agree. When I say we must "move to a more equitable (just) system", I not only mean: ending all funding, affirmative action, quotas, propaganda in favor of non-white athletes. I also mean moving toward a system/culture that acknowledges that Whites can and ought be ethnocentric, that Whites made America great and created and developed her national sporting past-times, that American white behavior-patterns have been, on average, much better than the behavior-patterns of American blacks, and that it is normal and good for peoples, including whites, to use their own resources to develop their own people first. There is an order to charity and well-wishing. I like my family members more than others, my own ethnic group more than other ethnic groups, etc., etc.

To me justice is not something merely "humanistic" and "folk-neutral." Still less is it affirmative action or kindliness for peoples who have shown little gratitude or improved behavior in response to the help offered them.

"The privileges imprudently granted to you have now been prudently taken away" said King Philip the Fair to the Knights Templars.

This should be our response to the people who have repayed our kindness with mockery, buffoonery, criminality, and surliness.

 

[Animalmuther0]

Pam Whatsherface of Fox Sports (black sideline babe), prior to kick-off in the Bears/Saints game, was going on about the idea that it would be great to see these two Afro-American coaches get into the the SB. "After all (I paraphrase) it would be nice to see coaches that represent 75% of the NFL."

I turned off the tube right there. She just told me that what she would like to see is 75% of the head coaches in the NFL, black.

Prime time racism. Unbelievable.

I do find it kind of amazing that Tony Dungy seems to be the lesser of all the caste pogues that coach these days. He recognizes Dallas Clark and thinks Peyton Manning is the best QB ever.

Lovie Smith seems like an affable enough guy as well, though I don't watch the Bears at all.

I doubt that I will watch much of the SB. I think it will turn into a black love-fest of the likes we won't see in awhile.

 

[Matt_Bowen_Fan]

Where's Lovie from? I'm hearing a bit of a southern accent.

 

[JD074]

To assume that teams are conspiring to diminish the impact of that position by purposely fielding weaker players to me is absurd. They're gonna fill the spot with whom they deem most capable of excelling.. regardless of race.

This is where so many people are confused. It's not "regardless of race." Coaches assume that white players aren't good enough. That's the key word: assume. They are not "conspiring" to play weaker players; they assume that white players are the weaker players. They don't perceive any competitive disadvantage so long as they assume that white players are inferior. Understand?

 

[PitBull]

FSU thinks that teams only care about winning, and that they field the
best players possible. In other words, only merit counts.

But then on the other hand, he thinks that white coaches are hired only
due to their race, and that winning is now not the most important thing.
Somehow, the priorities got changed.

Which is it?

FSU thinks that black people openly lobbying for the NFL to hire coaches
by race, and threatening lawsuits, media slanders of racism, and lobbying
for fines and penalties is okay.

But then on the other hand, he doesn't think that blacks do this regarding
players and playing time openly or behind closed doors. Somehow,
things are different in this regard.

Which is it?

FSU openly admits he thinks black players are slotted and steered into
certain positons because of thier race.

But on the other hand, he refuses to think that white players are steered
and slotted into certain postions because ot their race.

Which is it?

When blacks excel, it is due to merit. When whites excel, its due to
racism. When whites dominate a given field, they exclude other races
from competing and taking away their jobs, but when blacks or other
minorities are dominant in a field, they never exclude whites or other
races from competing and taking away their jobs. With minorities, only
merit counts. But with whites, reacism and racial solidarity are the norm.

Really, FSU? Is this how the real world works?

Face it, you've been brainwashed. There is no logical consistency to your
argument. Think hard about human nature, and how it operates in the
real world, not the imaginary one. Then get back to us and clear this
whole mess up. We intellectual weaklings need your help.

 

[Freedom]

White athletes only exist due to racism. Everything would be all black is the world wasn't racist. Whites don't dance or run as well as the brothers so they oppress the African from everything.

 

[Bart]

According to this article Tank Johnson may not be available to play in the Super Bowl for Lovie.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/lester_munson/ 01/22/tank.johnson/index.html?cnn=yes


There's one Chicago Bear who still doesn't know whether he'll be in Miami for Super Bowl XLI, and he won't know until Tuesday morning.


At half past nine in Courtroom 108 of the 2d District Municipal Courthouse in Skokie, Ill., defensive tackle Tank Johnson and his attorneys will ask Circuit Judge John J. Moran, Jr., for permission to leave the State of Illinois. Without Moran's permission, Johnson won't be going anywhere.


The early indications from Moran are not promising for Johnson, who is charged with violating probation as the result of a police raid on his home and the seizure of six guns and more than 500 rounds of ammunition.

 

[Sark6354201]

The judge granted Tank permission

 

[Bart]

The judge granted Tank permission

That was a huge surprise!

 

[Bear Backer]

The real scoop on Lovie Smith is that he is really nothing more than a figurehead for Jerry "Slick" Angelo. Lovie was never my first choice as a coach and even though the Bears did manage to get to the superbowl under him, I don't see him at all as irreplaceable. Basically Lovie does the bidding and the only real time where he has went against slick is favoring Thomas Jones over Cedric Benson. Other than than lovie is completely Jerry's lackey. To me Lovie Smith is an average coach at best who is blessed with goodtalent. To me a great coach is someone like Bill Belichick who always manages to get great performances out of his teams, even when he has to work withtalent that is not always considered the best. Contrast him to Lovieserratic Defense in St Louis and even the struggles of the Bears during Lovies first year when the talent was not exactly ideal for his system.If the Bears give Lovie Smith a huge contract, I think it will be a mistake, because like I said, he is not irreplaceable and more or less has his coaching success determined by his people around him.There is nothing particularly revolutionary about Lovie's defensive scheme, He runs a basic cover 2, and has shown at times that he and his coaches have not been able to make adjustments, as was the particular case last year when Steve Smith literally ate up the Bears defense in the playoffs. Lovie is just your average ho hum coach, who happens to have a GM who is particularly good at finding Gems in the rough in the later rounds of the draft, and has some very good players to work with. You take Jerry Angelo, Brian Urlacher, TommieHarris,the Bears special teamsand Rex Grossmans "Good games"away from him and the Bears are a middle of the road team. They certainly wouldn't be competing for an NFL title. In fact if Lovie has even oneexceptional quality as a coach it is in the fact that he has a calm demeanor and a cool head. Other than that they could stick any old coach with a cover 2 philosphy in his place and probably getsimilar results. As a Bears fan I will be more than happy to ride Lovie and the Bears success into the Superbowl, but it irks me to no end if it becomes all about Lovie because he is a black coach. Because it is really the talent of the Bears team that deserves the credit, not Lovies masterful coaching. In fact there is not a coach on the entire team that is not replaceable. Not Ron Turner and not "Chico" Ron Rivera. In fact if there is a coach on the roster that the team could not live without it might be ST coach Dave Toub who has turned the Bears into arguably the best unit in the NFL. The Bears would certainly be worse for wear without their special teams, which is such a big part of their game.Edited by: Bear Backer

 

[Guest]

You take Jerry Angelo, Brian Urlacher, TommieHarris,the Bears special teamsand Rex Grossmans "Good games"away from him and the Bears are a middle of the road team.

You could easily say that about any coach. If you take away the best players you obviously will not do as good.

 

[Bear Backer]

You take Jerry Angelo, Brian Urlacher, TommieHarris,the Bears special teamsand Rex Grossmans "Good games"away from him and the Bears are a middle of the road team.

You could easily say that about any coach. If you take away the best players you obviously will not do as good.

No you couldn't say that about any coach. As I pointed out, the difference in an average coach like Lovie and great coaches like Bellichick ,Parcells, Walsh etcis how competitive their teams are when they aren't filled with superstarstars. The Patriots are prime example of teams that have been able to win consistently over the years despite never having a star studded roster with the exception of Tom Brady. The Bears are a team that live and die on the athleticism of a few certain players in Lovie Smiths cover 2 system. Take those players away as with the case of Tommie Harris, and the Bears lost their ability to successfully put pressure on the quarterback. The NFC championship game against the Saints was the first time that the Bears were able to get to the quarterback consistently since Harris went down. Likewise, remove Urlacher from that defense and it easily become exploitable in the gaps created by the cover 2.Likewise on offense take out Grossmans 7 gameleague high 100 QB ratinggames and without their dominantDefensive based on their top stars, the Bears are probably a team that struggles to get to .500. There is nothing particulary extraordinary about the Bears gameplanning or coaching that doesn't take into accountextraordinary performances by their "top"talent. With a team like the Patriots, you can't pin their success onindividual performanceslike that beause it is very much a more system oriented success where pieces aren't as important as the whole picture. With the exception of maybeTom Brady there really isn't one key in the puzzleguy on that squad that can nearly wreck the whole systemas is the case in Chicago with, Urlacher, Harris, Grossman or Hester.The reason is because there is nothing spectacular about the system or coaching but the talent. Thank God for Jerry "Slick" Angelo.


Furthermore Lovie Smith is a branch of the Marty Schottenheimer tree which I have never been impressed with. Now we have twoMarty Ballcoaches who are competing for the Superbowl which will give hope to it's inferior philosophy.Edited by: Bear Backer