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Did not think this fight would happen. But with few lucrative options, if the tales are true, seems Ward has 5 million reasons to fight Kovalev. So now that they are about to go at it, within days, I’ll post what I observed, and what I think will be.


Ward aka “SOB”

Ward was made the “Super Six” Super Middle Weight Champion by fighting all Kessler, Bika, Green, Abraham, and Froch at home at the Oracle Area in Oakland, California. His bout with Kessler was particularly crooked in that he speared Kessler many times with his head causing a deep cut to Kessler’s face. Home referee saw none of it. Every other competitor in the tournament had to travel, and most abroad, save Ward. Most acknowledge that close fights are awarded to home fighter by judges. Wonder why Ward “won” the tournament?

Since three judges scored Ward the winner by a round when he fought Froch five years ago, Ward has fought five times. None of the bouts are much to brag about, though the ever-boastful Ward yet today is published saying “…I’m everything I’ve shown…”. We’ve seen some of what he’s shown; let’s see more.

Since Froch, Ward bested a shrunken Chad Dawson at super middle weight. Same Dawson who had already lost to tough Jean Pascal at light heavy weight. Dawson, finding defeat to his liking, went on to lose to both Adonis Stevenson and Tommy Karpency at light heavy weight.

When Ward, a natural light heavyweight, couldn’t get a fight with middleweight Golovokin, he declared to the world he would take the bold move up in weight to fight at light heavyweight. No sooner said, he went back to weight manipulation. He fought cruiserweight/light heavyweight Edwin Rodriguez at 170, middleweight Paul Smith at 172. He fought a legitimate light heavyweight at light heavy with Sullivan Barrera. Not in favor of a fair contest, he then took two steps backwards again and fought middleweight Alexander Brand at 176.


Ward V Sullivan Barrera

As Barrera is Kovalev’s size, and Ward fought Barrera at the light heavyweight limit, the fight is worthy of a few words. Ward did not put on a “master class” as many gab on about. If you want to see what a “master class” is, go watch Lomachenko. You won’t believe your eyes. Though Ward won at least 8-9 rounds and in 1 round knocked Barrera down with a counter shot. Barrera is slow afoot, doesn’t use feints, traps himself, among other poor tactics. In spite of his faults, Barrera won the last 2 rounds by simply firing straight shots down the middle which a tired Ward caught with his head and face. The fight seemed like Ward slipped in an extra 2-3 taps per round to get the win. Compubox, for whatever it is worth, records 166-111 in favor of Ward.


Ward’s Style

To quote a poster on boxingscene.com:

“Ward is not really that skillful to begin with. He's not the fastest, not the biggest puncher, dosent have much of a right hand, not the best punch selection and a shaky chin. His best punch is either the jab or a short left hook coming off the break almost like a sucker punch. He dosent have a deep tool box to choose from, he just has his few weapons and he makes it work for himself. His strengths are his mental toughness, physical strength, endurance, timing, and probably his best asset is his ability to make adjustments on the fly”

Jimmyd79 Mon, Oct. 24, 2016 @ 8:08,





Kovalev aka “Krusher”

Has demolished every fighter he has faced. Moves like a cat and hits like a tank. Keeps his opponents on the defensive with his laser guided armor piercing jab which reaches his opponents everywhere from beyond visual range. Zips out of range left-right-backwards and snap-shifts at angles. He throws a combination of about 8 different punches almost all with power.


His only showing of criticism is his last fight against his stablemate Isaac Chilemba. Very difficult to get a good opponent to go to Russia. Chilemba went. On condition? Who knows. Kovalev wore big, padded gloves; not his usual Grants; Chilemba wore small Reyes; touched gloves after many rounds. Kovalev got a knock down and won every round. They hugged afterwards. Kovalev doesn’t hug his opponents. Chilemba is a funny guy: he had a woman as his corner man in the fight. Not a serious bout. I like Chilemba.



Kovalev V Ward

Kovalev hits everything much like Marciano used to do. Heavy punchers need to make hits. The only true miss is one that goes through the air. Shots landed on arms, gloves, sides, back, belt line, are all connects whether the judges accept them as connects or not. Recipients of these shots know they count at that is what really matters. In a long professional fight these indefensible shots add up and make room for the bullseyes on the head, liver, and kidney. Ward tosses many throw-away punches trying to get his opponents to make false defenses so he can tap them a slap or two and snicker away. My oh my is he special.

Ward’s body jab is all trickery; when he throws it he never intends nor can produce harm with it; it’s just a distraction to get head shots open. Kovalev’s body jab is a killer. He knocked Agnew and Caparello out with it. He knocked the very tough Pascal down with it.


Jackson Sees Four Flaws

John David Jackson, Kovalev’s trainer, has famously said he studied Ward and saw 3-4 significant flaws in his style. Said he has gotten away with it up until now. Maybe not anymore. Here is what Jackson may be seeing.

1) Paws and measures with jab. Old timers used to say this is a mistake. “Leaving a jab out there” takes the jab out of play, removing its surprise, removing its power, and remove the shot completely. Makes it easier to defend against and easier to counter into. Can you see Kovalev’s right blasting over Ward’s pawing jab?

2) Bending at the waist. Old timers used to say bend at the knees not the waist. Ward typically bends at the waist instead of the knees. When a fighter bends at the waist he becomes a one arm fighter with no counter power. Fighters take their whole arsenal out of play by bending at the waist. Wonder who that might be?

3) Doesn’t move his head. Surprisingly, for a defensive fighter, Ward doesn’t move his head left-right to slip punches. Maybe he hasn’t needed to? He is, however, excellent at parrying and deflecting punches and staying out of range by putting his head lower than his opponent’s waist. Barrera found Ward’s head late in their fight. Will Kovalev find it?

4) Takes his eyes off his opponent! Surprised? I don’t know any who have scouted this? This is the most surprising fault I found watching Ward videos: he has the habit of looking down and away while bending at the waist and stepping to his right. See for yourself. Never, ever, ever, take your eyes off your opponent. Ward looks at the floor while bending at the waist while under heavy fire! I see two big fat punches just waiting for him when he does this: the straight right body shot to the kidney or the left to the body hitting his ear. Will Kovalev jump on these if offered?


Possible Outcome

Robert Byrd will be the referee and he is known for not letting fighters get away with excessive holding, and he is quick to take points away for rule breakers. This favors Kovalev.

Burt Clements, John McKaie, and Glen Trowbridge are the judges. All have worked Los Vegas fights for years and all were pals of Mayweather Weasel. Obviously, this favors Ward.

With less reach, few weapons, shorter range, little power, low output and there is something of his chin he’s been hiding, how is Ward to overcome straight power shots down the middle? Ward says “I’m everything I’ve shown”, agreed, usually what we see is what we’ll get. Kovalev will feint and throw murderous shots down the middle and try to move in and out of range. Ward, feeling his power and accuracy, will try the bend at the waist defense only to get kidney shots, and leaned on. Ward will switch to trying to smother Kovalev’s range and power by incessantly trying to clinch and score worthless taps that the parrot judges will scribble as punches landed. But Ward’s attempt to clinch, foul, smother, and spoil the fight may not be enough for he may find Kovalev too big, too strong, and too responsive for him. Kovalev cannot win a decision against Ward by passively boxing like he did most of the fight with Hopkins. To win Kovalev must rely on his ability to box and punch with such ferociousness and viciousness to cause Ward to quit, run, or lose. I expect Kovalev will do just that. If Barrera can land 111, Kovalev can land 200 -and 150 with power. Kovalev UD 12

Of course, anything can happen. Kovalev can get injured, he can get cut, and he can make himself lose by falling fool for Ward’s fakery.
 

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Current odds:

Andre Ward -135
Sergei Kovalev +115

Will something shady happen? Kovalev is obviously the better fighter, but a win by Sergey doesn't fit with the Cultural Marxists' agenda.
 

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Did not think this fight would happen. But with few lucrative options, if the tales are true, seems Ward has 5 million reasons to fight Kovalev. So now that they are about to go at it, within days, I’ll post what I observed, and what I think will be.


Ward aka “SOB”

Ward was made the “Super Six” Super Middle Weight Champion by fighting all Kessler, Bika, Green, Abraham, and Froch at home at the Oracle Area in Oakland, California. His bout with Kessler was particularly crooked in that he speared Kessler many times with his head causing a deep cut to Kessler’s face. Home referee saw none of it. Every other competitor in the tournament had to travel, and most abroad, save Ward. Most acknowledge that close fights are awarded to home fighter by judges. Wonder why Ward “won” the tournament?

Since three judges scored Ward the winner by a round when he fought Froch five years ago, Ward has fought five times. None of the bouts are much to brag about, though the ever-boastful Ward yet today is published saying “…I’m everything I’ve shown…”. We’ve seen some of what he’s shown; let’s see more.

Since Froch, Ward bested a shrunken Chad Dawson at super middle weight. Same Dawson who had already lost to tough Jean Pascal at light heavy weight. Dawson, finding defeat to his liking, went on to lose to both Adonis Stevenson and Tommy Karpency at light heavy weight.

When Ward, a natural light heavyweight, couldn’t get a fight with middleweight Golovokin, he declared to the world he would take the bold move up in weight to fight at light heavyweight. No sooner said, he went back to weight manipulation. He fought cruiserweight/light heavyweight Edwin Rodriguez at 170, middleweight Paul Smith at 172. He fought a legitimate light heavyweight at light heavy with Sullivan Barrera. Not in favor of a fair contest, he then took two steps backwards again and fought middleweight Alexander Brand at 176.


Ward V Sullivan Barrera

As Barrera is Kovalev’s size, and Ward fought Barrera at the light heavyweight limit, the fight is worthy of a few words. Ward did not put on a “master class” as many gab on about. If you want to see what a “master class” is, go watch Lomachenko. You won’t believe your eyes. Though Ward won at least 8-9 rounds and in 1 round knocked Barrera down with a counter shot. Barrera is slow afoot, doesn’t use feints, traps himself, among other poor tactics. In spite of his faults, Barrera won the last 2 rounds by simply firing straight shots down the middle which a tired Ward caught with his head and face. The fight seemed like Ward slipped in an extra 2-3 taps per round to get the win. Compubox, for whatever it is worth, records 166-111 in favor of Ward.


Ward’s Style

To quote a poster on boxingscene.com:

“Ward is not really that skillful to begin with. He's not the fastest, not the biggest puncher, dosent have much of a right hand, not the best punch selection and a shaky chin. His best punch is either the jab or a short left hook coming off the break almost like a sucker punch. He dosent have a deep tool box to choose from, he just has his few weapons and he makes it work for himself. His strengths are his mental toughness, physical strength, endurance, timing, and probably his best asset is his ability to make adjustments on the fly”

Jimmyd79 Mon, Oct. 24, 2016 @ 8:08,





Kovalev aka “Krusher”

Has demolished every fighter he has faced. Moves like a cat and hits like a tank. Keeps his opponents on the defensive with his laser guided armor piercing jab which reaches his opponents everywhere from beyond visual range. Zips out of range left-right-backwards and snap-shifts at angles. He throws a combination of about 8 different punches almost all with power.


His only showing of criticism is his last fight against his stablemate Isaac Chilemba. Very difficult to get a good opponent to go to Russia. Chilemba went. On condition? Who knows. Kovalev wore big, padded gloves; not his usual Grants; Chilemba wore small Reyes; touched gloves after many rounds. Kovalev got a knock down and won every round. They hugged afterwards. Kovalev doesn’t hug his opponents. Chilemba is a funny guy: he had a woman as his corner man in the fight. Not a serious bout. I like Chilemba.



Kovalev V Ward

Kovalev hits everything much like Marciano used to do. Heavy punchers need to make hits. The only true miss is one that goes through the air. Shots landed on arms, gloves, sides, back, belt line, are all connects whether the judges accept them as connects or not. Recipients of these shots know they count at that is what really matters. In a long professional fight these indefensible shots add up and make room for the bullseyes on the head, liver, and kidney. Ward tosses many throw-away punches trying to get his opponents to make false defenses so he can tap them a slap or two and snicker away. My oh my is he special.

Ward’s body jab is all trickery; when he throws it he never intends nor can produce harm with it; it’s just a distraction to get head shots open. Kovalev’s body jab is a killer. He knocked Agnew and Caparello out with it. He knocked the very tough Pascal down with it.


Jackson Sees Four Flaws

John David Jackson, Kovalev’s trainer, has famously said he studied Ward and saw 3-4 significant flaws in his style. Said he has gotten away with it up until now. Maybe not anymore. Here is what Jackson may be seeing.

1) Paws and measures with jab. Old timers used to say this is a mistake. “Leaving a jab out there” takes the jab out of play, removing its surprise, removing its power, and remove the shot completely. Makes it easier to defend against and easier to counter into. Can you see Kovalev’s right blasting over Ward’s pawing jab?

2) Bending at the waist. Old timers used to say bend at the knees not the waist. Ward typically bends at the waist instead of the knees. When a fighter bends at the waist he becomes a one arm fighter with no counter power. Fighters take their whole arsenal out of play by bending at the waist. Wonder who that might be?

3) Doesn’t move his head. Surprisingly, for a defensive fighter, Ward doesn’t move his head left-right to slip punches. Maybe he hasn’t needed to? He is, however, excellent at parrying and deflecting punches and staying out of range by putting his head lower than his opponent’s waist. Barrera found Ward’s head late in their fight. Will Kovalev find it?

4) Takes his eyes off his opponent! Surprised? I don’t know any who have scouted this? This is the most surprising fault I found watching Ward videos: he has the habit of looking down and away while bending at the waist and stepping to his right. See for yourself. Never, ever, ever, take your eyes off your opponent. Ward looks at the floor while bending at the waist while under heavy fire! I see two big fat punches just waiting for him when he does this: the straight right body shot to the kidney or the left to the body hitting his ear. Will Kovalev jump on these if offered?


Possible Outcome

Robert Byrd will be the referee and he is known for not letting fighters get away with excessive holding, and he is quick to take points away for rule breakers. This favors Kovalev.

Burt Clements, John McKaie, and Glen Trowbridge are the judges. All have worked Los Vegas fights for years and all were pals of Mayweather Weasel. Obviously, this favors Ward.

With less reach, few weapons, shorter range, little power, low output and there is something of his chin he’s been hiding, how is Ward to overcome straight power shots down the middle? Ward says “I’m everything I’ve shown”, agreed, usually what we see is what we’ll get. Kovalev will feint and throw murderous shots down the middle and try to move in and out of range. Ward, feeling his power and accuracy, will try the bend at the waist defense only to get kidney shots, and leaned on. Ward will switch to trying to smother Kovalev’s range and power by incessantly trying to clinch and score worthless taps that the parrot judges will scribble as punches landed. But Ward’s attempt to clinch, foul, smother, and spoil the fight may not be enough for he may find Kovalev too big, too strong, and too responsive for him. Kovalev cannot win a decision against Ward by passively boxing like he did most of the fight with Hopkins. To win Kovalev must rely on his ability to box and punch with such ferociousness and viciousness to cause Ward to quit, run, or lose. I expect Kovalev will do just that. If Barrera can land 111, Kovalev can land 200 -and 150 with power. Kovalev UD 12

Of course, anything can happen. Kovalev can get injured, he can get cut, and he can make himself lose by falling fool for Ward’s fakery.

Great analysis,could you do one on lomochenko v walters, another big caste match up a week later?


I layed good bucks on a kovalev win. hes slight underdog where i have him massive favourite. so i cant ignore this bout.

But even if you thought it was a close match, i simply dont think wards fought good enough opposition and good enough activity to face some like kovalev. has ward even faced anyone as good as cleverly, pascal, chilemba, hopkins etc at light heavy?im not sure he has, does a pot bellied paul smith(who he sttuggled to stop, groves and degale both stopped him within 5 rounds) even remotely prep you for pascal/cleverly etc, let alone sergey?

I too worry fot head butts and a cuts stoppage mind :(
 

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Ambrose, great write up and analysis. I posted earlier, that this could be a easy and showcase fight for Kovalev. If....he fights from the outside much like he did against a still crafty Hopkins. With Ward, however, a different animal. Kovalev must fight with urgency and from a distance. He must constantly be snapping out his power jab. Raking Ward's body and mug whilst constantly moving. After 6 rounds of piling up the points. Ward will becoming desperate by jumping in with his head as a battering ram. Kovalev must make the adjustment and launch power right hand shots down the middle where his fists meets Ward's head. Then change it up by launching vicious upper cuts to finish off Ward. I see a TKO in round 9 or 10.

No doubt that Jackson has prepared Kovalev for this moment. I can not see Ward beating a prime Kovalev after seeing his last two performances. He could not knock out a cab driver over 12 rounds last outing. Kovalev must seize this great opportunity to become the PFP fighter while closing out 2016. Must see fight.
 
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Ambrose, my friend, that is the best fight analysis I've ever read!
 
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"My Fight: Kovalev/Ward - Full Show"

I skipped the first half which is about the American negro. It then goes on to show Kovalev's background, his home town in Russia. (credit for posting this to White Russian)

 

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Ambrose - I think that maybe u didn't give enough weight to the las vegas factor re the ref in favor of K. They generally seem to make nice arrangements with the refs there so he fights alongside the house fighter to make it 2 to 1 in the ring. Krusher K by KO within 4! Let's see the ref fix that!
 

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Ambrose - I think that maybe u didn't give enough weight to the las vegas factor re the ref in favor of K. They generally seem to make nice arrangements with the refs there so he fights alongside the house fighter to make it 2 to 1 in the ring. Krusher K by KO within 4! Let's see the ref fix that!

Wolfman, I thought about that, but, honestly, I like these black referees better than the high profile white ones. Remember Tony Weeks let Maidana beat up Mayweather Weasel in their first fight? Kovalev has just finished not just clearing out the light heavyweight division but he demolished it without letting anyone get inside him. He keeps them on the outside and keeps them on the defensive. There is much cheating a referee can do with a fighter who stays on the outside. The cheating begins with the infighting. Remember Tony Weeks couldn't help Klitschko very much when he fought Tyron Fury? Fury stayed outside of Wladimir the whole fight. Unlike others, I can't see this as a phone booth fight because Kovalev moves too well and too much.
 

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Ambrose, great write up and analysis. I posted earlier, that this could be a easy and showcase fight for Kovalev. If....he fights from the outside much like he did against a still crafty Hopkins. With Ward, however, a different animal. Kovalev must fight with urgency and from a distance. He must constantly be snapping out his power jab. Raking Ward's body and mug whilst constantly moving. After 6 rounds of piling up the points. Ward will becoming desperate by jumping in with his head as a battering ram. Kovalev must make the adjustment and launch power right hand shots down the middle where his fists meets Ward's head. Then change it up by launching vicious upper cuts to finish off Ward. I see a TKO in round 9 or 10.

No doubt that Jackson has prepared Kovalev for this moment. I can not see Ward beating a prime Kovalev after seeing his last two performances. He could not knock out a cab driver over 12 rounds last outing. Kovalev must seize this great opportunity to become the PFP fighter while closing out 2016. Must see fight.

Thanks West. Good post. I don't think we have to worry about Kovalev being too cautious and nice. The past few days he's been growling like a caged lion. I have never seen him look meaner. The sparks are going to fly.
 

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Here is a youtube video of a poster who has scouted Andre Ward and gives his take on what he sees as J.D. Jackson's famous "3" flaws of Ward. You can skip to the 4:24 mark to read this:
1) Lazy Jab 2) Pulls straight back 3) Circles only to his left


I don't think any of the above are factual. What say you?
 
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Here is a youtube video of a poster who has scouted Andre Ward and gives his take on what he sees as J.D. Jackson's famous "3" flaws of Ward. You can skip to the 4:24 mark to read this:
1) Lazy Jab 2) Pulls straight back 3) Circles only to his left

I don't think any of the above are factual. What say you?


U forgot the link!
 

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Thanks West. Good post. I don't think we have to worry about Kovalev being too cautious and nice. The past few days he's been growling like a caged lion. I have never seen him look meaner. The sparks are going to fly.


Ha ha no I don't think we have to worry about Krusher being too nice!
 

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Wolfman, I thought about that, but, honestly, I like these black referees better than the high profile white ones. Remember Tony Weeks let Maidana beat up Mayweather Weasel in their first fight? Kovalev has just finished not just clearing out the light heavyweight division but he demolished it without letting anyone get inside him. He keeps them on the outside and keeps them on the defensive. There is much cheating a referee can do with a fighter who stays on the outside. The cheating begins with the infighting. Remember Tony Weeks couldn't help Klitschko very much when he fought Tyron Fury? Fury stayed outside of Wladimir the whole fight. Unlike others, I can't see this as a phone booth fight because Kovalev moves too well and too much.


Hate to say it but I'm getting that impression lately. It sure didn't used to be that way, but Mills Lane doesn't work there any more. The las vegas refereeing job that still has me angry is Joe Cortez when he joined up with Mayweather to fight Hatton. I'm also pissed off at all those British hooligans who went all the way there and didn't riot and bust the place up. Too much security I guess. I would like to see Cortez' bank account statement before and after that fight, and also a record of his new acquisitions right afterwards - cars, fur coats.
 

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Here is a youtube video of a poster who has scouted Andre Ward and gives his take on what he sees as J.D. Jackson's famous "3" flaws of Ward. You can skip to the 4:24 mark to read this:
1) Lazy Jab 2) Pulls straight back 3) Circles only to his left


I don't think any of the above are factual. What say you?


I'm glad u said that because that's what I was thinking. I don't know what he was going on and on and on about a "lazy jab". Ward seems to be doing pretty good with it. And yeah definitely skip the first 4 minutes. What interested me - and I've seen very little of Ward - is this: Is he really a one handed fighter who has little or no power in his right because of a damaged shoulder? I've seen very little of him but the clips on that video, I didn't see him throw anything with his right. Yep, Krusher by early KO!
 

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WTH!? How can that be true? Why would Kovalev's team agree to that?

I haven't seen any of the documents, but I think those are the guaranteed numbers up front and Kovalev gets a higher percentage of the gate and PPV takings. The winner may also get a lump sum set aside in escrow.
 

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I'm glad u said that because that's what I was thinking. I don't know what he was going on and on and on about a "lazy jab". Ward seems to be doing pretty good with it. And yeah definitely skip the first 4 minutes. What interested me - and I've seen very little of Ward - is this: Is he really a one handed fighter who has little or no power in his right because of a damaged shoulder? I've seen very little of him but the clips on that video, I didn't see him throw anything with his right. Yep, Krusher by early KO!


Yes, he had surgery on his right shoulder and now throws fewer rights and few rights with power. Fixed or not it's still a psychological weakness. Watch for Kovalev to attack that shoulder and try to get Ward worried and turn sideways more; this also will make Ward throw even fewer rights. Two great arms almost beat one great arm.
 

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I haven't seen any of the documents, but I think those are the guaranteed numbers up front and Kovalev gets a higher percentage of the gate and PPV takings. The winner may also get a lump sum set aside in escrow.


Oh...OK...otherwise Kovalev needs to get himself some Philadelphia lawyers (as they used to say) before he signs up for these things.
 

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Yes, he had surgery on his right shoulder and now throws fewer rights and few rights with power. Fixed or not it's still a psychological weakness. Watch for Kovalev to attack that shoulder and try to get Ward worried and turn sideways more; this also will make Ward throw even fewer rights. Two great arms almost beat one great arm.



Yep, that's what they r saying in that thing I just posted - if he can't get to his head break his shoulder and make him quit.
 

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Kovalev vs dirty fighting Ward and the Las Vegas ref who won't see anything and the Las Vegas judges and the biased US tv commentators...and Krusher will knock the bum out! Within four rounds is my prediction.
 
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