Jason Sehorn

[ToughJ.Riggins]

Archuleta wasn't all that bad in coverage last year. First off he had a hurt hand affecting his tackling, secondly he only started 10 games for the Bears and because of just a couple blown assignments, he took major wrath from the drunken fans. There were other guys on the defense making mistakes too, but they didn't "stand out" like Archuletta.

Archuletta numbers wise played solidly last season: 1 INT and 5 tackles a game and 2 sacks. He is not good enough to be a starting CB, but could make it in the league IMO as a backup. With Schweigert he has the measureables of Archuletta, but seems to change direction, adjust and back-peddle better, IMO making him good enough to be a weak #2 CB in the NFL. I haven't watched Brian Russell enough to know about him.

But I respect your opinion Slyke even though I don't agree on Fox. And I admit I am much more knowledgeable about offense than defense.

 

[Kaptain]

Kaptain Poop wrote:

"Not as good as the superstar Sehorn means that they aren't in the top 64! Based on what? You're best guess? What is someone who thinks like that doing on CF anyway?"

So, Kaptain P, when you state your opinions, what makes you think yours are any more informed than the next guy on this site?

I wasn`t aware that this site was full of football talent evaluation experts. There are some who seem to be from the quality of their posts, but many others are just casual fans. I think this makes the site interesting. I also thought this was a place where a group of guys who have varying levels of football knowledge gathered to exchange their "best guesses," especially where it concerns whites getting screwed over.

So even if I disagree with someone else`s assessment of Dustin Fox and Steve Gregory as NFL CBs, I shouldn`t tell the truth? I should just say they are better than a number of starting CBs out there, right?

I think Fox and Gregory lack the overall size of Sehorn and the athleticism he possessed prior to his injury on the preseason kickoff return.

I don`t think they are among the top 64 guys in the NFL at the position-my best guess.

Tell me your best guess, Kaptain P, instead of just complaining about what I said.

I was a little harse in my last sentence I admit. But to say that Fox and Gregory are "not by a longshot" in the top 64 is an opinion I would think belongs on a typical DWF website. My guess? I would guess that if Fox did as well as he did at Ohio State there would be absolutely no reason to think he couldn't be in the top 64. Of course it's all a guess on how he would do in the NFL because he probably never will be given a chance to be an everyday starter. Kinda unfair to assume he can't just because he wasn't given a chance.

Now just think Van Slyke, how many white defensive players are there? Not many. But how many of the white defensive players that actually get a chance to play every down for decent amount of time end up being a bust (outside of injuries of course)? Not many. In fact, I can't think of one. So what would make anyone think that when/if a white defensive player actually got a chance he would be a bust? Go from team to team and find there one or two white players and you'll usually find that they the teams best players - statistically and actually. Fox and even Gregory probably would be too. We just will never know - and that's the self-forefilling prophecy of the caste system. Frankly, I think your statement feeds into that prophecy.

Edited by: Kaptain Poop

 

[Jimmy Chitwood]

Van Slyke, OSU head coach Jim Tressel said that Fox was the best cover man on the Buckeyes roster from his sophomore season until he left. i think he has some knowledge of whether a guy can play or not.

also, for those who question if Steve Gregory can play corner...

as i have posted before, Gregory was the best defensive back in the Big East. he would easily have set the "passes defensed" record if the moronic coaching staff hadn't moved him to receiver for a season and a half. just look at what he did his freshman year alone:

named to All-Big East Freshman Team and Freshman All-America Team by The Sporting News after leading all freshmen in nation with 21 passes defensed. Gregory finished his career ranked third in school history with 40 passes defensed (despite playing a season and a half at wide receiver), including single-game school record with six against North Carolina in 2002. he finished his career with 168 tackles, six interceptions and two forced fumbles.

furthermore, it was acknowledged from the day he signed a scholarship that he was the fastest player on Syracuse's roster. when he moved back to DB as a senior, opposing teams almost never threw at him. if he had been black, he would have gotten HUGE pub, because there have been lesser talents from Syracuse to have done so.

he is a tremendous talent.