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In sad news in what seems to be rampant now among European countries is that Ireland's 2 top 60 meter sprinters happen to be of Arabic decent. I am Irish and not a huge fan of the culture but it seems like most of Europes top sprinters are no longer white like in Portugal , Sweden, Switzerland and Norway. At least Italy and Germany are still mostly white from a sprinting perspective. Look for young Michael Tumi of Italy to crack 10.1 this summer in the 100 meters.
 

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why aren't you a fan of the Irish culture?


as for White Irish sprinters, have you been to Ireland? Most of those people are not concerned with sprinting. If there was an Irish version of Christophe then we would see a few more, but compared to Italy and Germany, the population of Ireland is small (probably the same number of Irish living outside than in, the estimate is 70 million but who knows how many of those are 100 %, there is like 6 million on the island itself). Remember Christophe lived in the middle of nowhere and really didn't know anything about sprinting when he was found. I am sure it is the same with most European countries.
 
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why aren't you a fan of the Irish culture?


as for White Irish sprinters, have you been to Ireland? Most of those people are not concerned with sprinting. If there was an Irish version of Christophe then we would see a few more, but compared to Italy and Germany, the population of Ireland is small (probably the same number of Irish living outside than in, the estimate is 70 million but who knows how many of those are 100 %, there is like 6 million on the island itself). Remember Christophe lived in the middle of nowhere and really didn't know anything about sprinting when he was found. I am sure it is the same with most European countries.
agreed, athletics is way down the line, soccer and rugby are way ahead in popularity and lads look at money and earning capabilities, but many are wise to doping . note though even in ireland the likes of paul hession and derval orourke and david gillick shine through competing at the highest levels :biggrin:. population is 4.75 million in the republic:smiley:
 
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Just to give you a bit of hope, the fastest 100m time last year by an Irish man was a 10.22 run by a white lad named Jason Smyth. He has a debilitating eye issue but still runs at a very high level! Make no mistake, there is a Lemaitre in Ireland! But as stated above, the money and fame lies in rugby and soccer.
 

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The first Olympic 100 meter champion was an Irish American named Burke. If there were to be an Irish champion in sprinting it would probably be from the US as the population of Irish Americans is probably 10 fold the Republics population.
 
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I'm sorry gentlemen for my comments. What I was trying to say is that because I have a Celtic background as an American , you think I would be rooting for fast Irish men because of my love for track and field.
What I was just trying to express is that many European countries with high white populations seem to have more minority sprinters coming onto their teams representing them and their culture.
I did not know Athletics was not a big part of the Irish culture as I was naive to think it was up there with football in most European countries.
 

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In my opinion there is only a social problem. In every european country a great number of athletes are immigrated from other countries. But not only from Sub-saharan Africa. You tell about arabian irish sprinter. Are the arabian people famous for their sprinting? A great number of immigrant, at least in Italy, are from east europe. For me the problem are the opportunities in a society. What were in the past the opportunities for Afroamerican people (in USA) in studing or other work, which are not showbusiness, music and some sports (basket, football and athletics)? For me this situation is changing in the usa. Why? In the past the most important long jumper, triple jumper, sprinter (60m, 100m, 200m, 400m) and runner in 110h and 400h were only or mainly from USA. And so, from a long time they were afroamerican. There were european (whites) athletes that were capable to compete with afroamerican athletes. But in USA there weren't white sprinter or jumper... Why? It's cultural. And opportunity.
My father was a long jumper in National Athletics italian team at the beginning of '70. A black long jumper from the USA athletic team (i don't remeber the name but i could find it) ask to my father if his record was over 8.00 m (His record was less than 8 meters) because this athlete saw my father during a competition. In this competition, my father threatened to win. But for a number of judicial errors was given nil to better performance. The athlete was talking about, agreed with my father. He did not believe to be stronger because black, and my father did not believe to be weaker because white.
About the opportunity for an immigrant. In France the majority of sprinter are second or third generation from immigrants from ex-colonies. They are poorer then the majority of French white people. It's normal. So this situation only motivates people that have less opportunities in this society.
In the past we thought that oriental people weren't capable to run fast or jump high etc... Now we have more and more longjumper from China, or Liu Xiang in 110h! Mennea was fast, but was very skinny. What was his greatest skill? Stubbornness and the desire and will to emerge and get results.
It was probably less talented than others. But obtained what he wanted.
And now how much young well-off white people have with this feeling? Very few! How much people with no other opportunities? A lot!
Now the opportunities are for Carribean sprinter and no more the same for Usa afroamerican sprinter. In the future will be different. And this social situation explains well the use and distribution of doping.
If you need to stand out, use it, otherwise leave the sport or practice it as you can.
 

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Excellent post Dr. Riders. Your a great addition to the board. I have often said that it simply comes down to numbers. If you have good genetics to begin with, then the rest comes from hard work and desire. More black athletes take up the sport. Not only in America but around the world on average. Especially in the sprints. Over the last decade or so, we are seeing a slight change though. I hope this continues as it will make the great sport of athletics so much more enjoyable to watch. There is no reason to believe that there are not more Lemaitre types out there. People of european ancestry from around the world just need to get involved in higher numbers and start at earlier ages.
 

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good stuff

yo WL , your of course correct and dr rider , participation is huge, also agree with the fact that we are seeing a swing in the last decade:biggrin:
 
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