Greatest American and European boxers ever

[Euro King]

Please no Negroes, i am sick and tired see them in all these Jewish lists of the ESPN and Ring Magazine.<div>
</div><div>Top 10 Americans :</div><div>
</div><div>Rocky Marciano</div><div>Willie Pep</div><div>Harry Greb</div><div>Gene Tunney</div><div>Jack Dempsey</div><div>Billy Conn</div><div>Mickey Walker</div><div>Oscar De La Hoya (specially in terms of achievements)</div><div>Stanley Ketchel</div><div>Benny Leonard</div><div>
</div><div>Top 10 Europeans :</div><div>
</div><div>Laszlo Papp (The greatest amateur who ever lived)</div><div>Marcel Cerdan</div><div>Jimmy Wilde</div><div>Benny Lynch</div><div>Ted Kid Lewis</div><div>Joe Calzaghe</div><div>Vitali Klitschko</div><div>Wladimir Klitschko</div><div>Bob Fitzsimmons</span></div><div>Henry Maske (extremely underrated, because he is a German and Jews would never allow him to be big)</div>

 

[Thrashen]

Perhaps you could solicit Vitali and/or Wladimir Klitschko for their input concerning this matter.

After all, you did state that you "know them personally,"Â￾ didn't you?

 

[space hillbilly]

Perhaps you could solicit Vitali and/or Wladimir Klitschko for their input concerning this matter.

After all, you did state that you "know them personally,"Â￾ didn't you?

I don't think we need to be going after each other.

 

[Charles Martel]

Dariusz Michalczewski is the most underrated fighter in the history of boxing. He went 48-0, defended his light heavyweight title 23 times, won titles at both light heavyweight and cruiserweight, and he unified all the light heavyweight titles only to be immediately stripped of all but the WBO. He defeated the highest ranked light heavyweights such as Montell Griffin, Graciano Rocchigiani, and Drake Thadzi, but was ducked by Roy Jones.

Interesting how the caste media rates Virgil Hill ahead of him in the all-time light heavyweight rankings.

Dariusz Michalczewski vs. Virgil Hill

1997-06-13 : Virgil Hill 173¾ lbs lost to Dariusz Michalczewski 174½ lbs by UD in round 12 of 12
Location: Arena Oberhausen, Oberhausen, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
Referee: John Coyle

Judge: Marcel Roloux 110-118
Judge: Rogelio Perez 112-117
Judge: Samuel Conde Lopez 113-116

World Boxing Association Light Heavyweight Title (11th. defending of Hill)

International Boxing Federation Light Heavyweight Title (1st. defending of Hill)

World Boxing Organization Light Heavyweight Title (9th. defending of Michalczewski)

Weights: Michalczewski 174.5 lbs, Hill 173.75 lbs

- The fight was originally planned for April 5, but was postponed first to April 19 ("to get an appropriate site" according to IBF president Robert W. Lee), then moved again to June 13.

- On March 7, 1997, a federal judge Dickinson R. Debevoise of U.S. District Court at Newark, N.M., ruled that the IBF must give its leading light heavyweight contender a title shot by July 19 or face a fine because it harmed the fighter by breaking its own rules. Under the ruling, No. 1 contender William Guthrie had to fight the winner of the April 19 match between IBF champion Virgil Hill and WBO champion Dariusz Michalczewski within 90 days of the bout.

- On May 10, 1997, words of IBF president Robert Lee were reported in the press, that the IBF stripped Hill of his title because "we had to follow the order of the court," which had ordered that Guthrie must get an IBF title fight by July 19. (Sources: The Washington Times, May 10, 1997; The Washington Post, May 10, 1997; St. Petersburg Times, May 10, 1997; Houston Chronicle, May 11, 1997; Denver Rocky Mountain News, May 11, 1997; Los Angeles Daily News, May 12, 1997)

- After the fight it was reported that Michalczewski's promoter Klaus-Peter Kohl said: "Guthrie is Don King's man and we don't want to do any business with him." Kohl has said he is hoping an arrangement on juggling title defences can be worked out with the WBO and WBA. (Sources: Glasgow Sunday Mail, June 15, 1997; The People, June 15, 1997)

- Thus, the IBF title was declared vacant.

- Immediately after this fight, Michalczewski also was stripped by the WBA for holding the WBO belt together with the WBA belt.

 

[whiteathlete33]

Dariusz Michalczewski is the most underrated fighter in the history of boxing. He went 48-0, defended his light heavyweight title 23 times, won titles at both light heavyweight and cruiserweight, and he unified all the light heavyweight titles only to be immediately stripped of all but the WBO. He defeated the highest ranked light heavyweights such as Montell Griffin, Graciano Rocchigiani, and Drake Thadzi, but was ducked by Roy Jones.



Interesting how the caste media rates Virgil Hill ahead of him in the all-time light heavyweight rankings.

Dariusz Michalczewski vs. Virgil Hill



1997-06-13 : Virgil Hill 173¾ lbs lost to Dariusz Michalczewski 174½ lbs by UD in round 12 of 12

Location: Arena Oberhausen, Oberhausen, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany

Referee: John Coyle



Judge: Marcel Roloux 110-118

Judge: Rogelio Perez 112-117

Judge: Samuel Conde Lopez 113-116



World Boxing Association Light Heavyweight Title (11th. defending of Hill)



International Boxing Federation Light Heavyweight Title (1st. defending of Hill)



World Boxing Organization Light Heavyweight Title (9th. defending of Michalczewski)



Weights: Michalczewski 174.5 lbs, Hill 173.75 lbs



- The fight was originally planned for April 5, but was postponed first to April 19 ("to get an appropriate site" according to IBF president Robert W. Lee), then moved again to June 13.



- On March 7, 1997, a federal judge Dickinson R. Debevoise of U.S. District Court at Newark, N.M., ruled that the IBF must give its leading light heavyweight contender a title shot by July 19 or face a fine because it harmed the fighter by breaking its own rules. Under the ruling, No. 1 contender William Guthrie had to fight the winner of the April 19 match between IBF champion Virgil Hill and WBO champion Dariusz Michalczewski within 90 days of the bout.



- On May 10, 1997, words of IBF president Robert Lee were reported in the press, that the IBF stripped Hill of his title because "we had to follow the order of the court," which had ordered that Guthrie must get an IBF title fight by July 19. (Sources: The Washington Times, May 10, 1997; The Washington Post, May 10, 1997; St. Petersburg Times, May 10, 1997; Houston Chronicle, May 11, 1997; Denver Rocky Mountain News, May 11, 1997; Los Angeles Daily News, May 12, 1997)



- After the fight it was reported that Michalczewski's promoter Klaus-Peter Kohl said: "Guthrie is Don King's man and we don't want to do any business with him." Kohl has said he is hoping an arrangement on juggling title defences can be worked out with the WBO and WBA. (Sources: Glasgow Sunday Mail, June 15, 1997; The People, June 15, 1997)



- Thus, the IBF title was declared vacant.



- Immediately after this fight, Michalczewski also was stripped by the WBA for holding the WBO belt together with the WBA belt.

Of course they tell us Dariusz ducked Jones.

 

[BoxingFanUK]

One of the great things about Europeans in boxing is that their presence has probably never been stronger in the sport than it is today! And with amazing European amateurs, this trend is not likely to reverse anytime in the near future!

I am confident that in time, guys like Lucian Bute, Rakhim Chakhkiev, Gennadiy Golovkin will come very close to making that list as some of the Greatest European boxers of alltime. (Mind you, Gennadiy is Kazakh, so technically that is Asian.)

Another 2 amazing European fighters on the way up are Denis Boytsov and Robert Helenius. Sadly, Boytsov seems to be having some reoccurring issues, and I hate to say it but that doesn't necessarily bode well for his future career. Time will tell how far he goes, he has the talent, its just reoccurring injuries are bothersome.