Gerhart & Sharp: Undervalued: 2010 Draft

[ToughJ.Riggins]

Gerhart and Sharp are two very high caliber RB prospects, but somehow NFLdraftscout.com has them ranked 23rd and 28th respectively for 2010: Next year's RB class currently is weaker with the departure of the top underclassmen. Next year's classes always will be weaker than a current class after a season is over. This is true up until the oncoming season begins and new RB prospects emerge to replace the departing with new found playing time. So let's compare these two white RBs to similar ranked players from this year. Remember a same ranked player from this year would be ahead of Gerhart and Sharp if they had stayed in college for next year:

PJ Hill: Rank 16: Ran a 4.63 at his Pro-Day (too slow for a HB if white)ro-Day's seemingly time about 0.05 faster than the Combine. Currently ranked 16th by NFLdraftscout; Hill's stats were similar to Gerhart. A little less impressive statistically than Gerhart, but he played slightly better competition according to the RPI.
2007: 311-1569-5YPC-15 TD: So more yards than Gerhart, but less YPC last year.
2008: 233-1212-5.2-14TD:
Very similar stats to Gerhart again; slightly more yards, less YPC. However, Gerhart is bigger, stronger and faster than PJ Hill. I project a 4.55 or so for Toby at the Combine which would be about a 4.5 flat at Pro-Day. I project a low 4.4 for Sharp and a monster season statistically next year, but will it be enough?

Tyrell Sutton: Rank 22: The smallish 5'8, 210lb Sutton ran a mere 4.68 at the Combine: After running for 1474 yds on 5.9 YPC and 16 TDs in 2005: his stats steadily declined at Northwestern the last three years.
2006: 1000-5.3 YPC-5 TD
2007: 522-4.8 YPC-4 TD
2008: 890-4.8 YPC-6 TD
Although similar production to Sharp, Sutton's stats don't measure up to Gerhart. Also, other than Sutton's impressive 1.47 10 yard burst; the rest of Sutton's measurables will project behind Gerhart and they are far worse than Sharp's. Sutton also ran a below average 4.32 20 yard shuttle; His 3-cone, vertical and broad-jump, also were all very average; again how is this guy better than Gerhart or Sharp? (Sharp just ran a 4.38 40 at Kansas and was coming on very strong at the end of last season; his first as a full-time starter.)

Gartrell Johnson: Rank 23: The 5'10 222 lb. power-back; again smaller than Gerhart, ran a "VERY" pathetic 4.77 40 yard dash at the Combine and a very pathetic 1.63 10 yard split. He did o.k. in the vertical jump and Broad Jump, but refused to run the shuttles or do a 3-Cone; hmmm...I wonder why? Johnson had his best season last year with very similar production, but with more carries, compared to Gerhart. However it was against lesser competition than Toby.
2008: 278-1476-5.3YPC-12 TD

Brad Lester: Rank 28: He has "solid" measurables at 5'9 190 lbs. (small enough to disqualify a white RB). He ran a 4.52 at his Pro-Day, which would have been maybe about a 4.57 at the Combine. Had a great broad jump and vertical leap test. His 20 yard shuttle and 3-Cone didn't stand out as special. But get this: Here are his pathetic stats:
2007:125-530-4.2 YPC-3 TD
2008: 80-289-3.6 YPC-2 TD
Again if Gerhart were in this draft (if I comparatively recall where the declared underclassman were ranked before declaring) he would probably be ranked by this "scouting" service about 30th and Sharp 35th or so. How in the hell is Lester a better prospect? Oh yeah I forgot...black skin!

Branden Ore: Rank 35: This troubled man was dismissed from Virginia Tech. He had to go the small school route. To top it off he is slow. Ran a 4.67 40 yd. with a lousy 1.62 10 yard split. Also, he ran a lousy 4.44 20 yard shuttle and a 7.38 3-cone. How is there not one white RB ranked ahead of this guy? This nation is mad I tell you. And the DWFs are just ignorant; they are like blind squirrels; wake up people and smell the coffee. Here are his stats at Virginia Tech (His YPC progressively declined):
2005: 647-5.9 YPC-6 TD
2006: 1137-4.7 YPC-16 TD
2007: 992-3.7 YPC-9 TD
2008: Kicked off team for character issues
Again I ask how is this guy as good a prospect as Jake Sharp?

Kahil Bell: Rank 38: Again no white RB is ranked ahead of this guy for this year. And wait till you see his resume: This nation is mad I tell you (Sport's wise). The white emasculating in this country has reached a boiling point. Bell is coming off some sort of serious leg injury (knee I believe), but here is the situation: He ran a 4.74 40 yd. with a pathetic 1.63 10 yard split. His other measurements were good, but now look at his pathetic production this season:
2007: 795-5.6 YPC-5 TD: Pretty good; but now see '08
2008: 397-""2.8"" YPC-7 TD
How the hell is there not one white man ranked ahead of this man? Wake up blind squirrel fans.

The top ranked white RB for this year appears to be Kent State QB Julian Edelman at, get this, #49 overall. Is this country mad? I mean they hold Gerhart's injury against him and if Gerhart was in this year's draft he wouldn't be ranked far ahead of Bell by this "Wacko" scouting service.

Now let's look at Toby Gerhart and Jake Sharp:
Toby Gerhart: Rank 23 (2010): Projected 40 time of 4.55: My scouting report: A freakish power-back with good cut-back ability, great burst for his size who will sometimes surprise you with his speed for his size. His agility is above average for an NFL draft worthy prospect of his large framed size. Toby is a mammoth of a RB and plays like one. Gerhart has great production and is a give it all player:
2008: 1136-""5.4"" YPC-15 TD

Jake Sharp: Rank 28 (2010): His projected 40 time is way off base on their site. They list him at 4.57. He will probably run a low to mid 4.4.
My Scouting report: Jake Sharp is a former elite H.S sprinter who ran a 10.4x 100 meter. He has really improved his initial explosion as a runner to explode to the hole upon recognition last season. He's a true scat-back. Formerly had an issue with lack of vision and out-running his blockers. He has learned to be more patient before using his ability to accelerate. He has the swivel to make defenders miss even in tight spaces and will just outrun you in the second level. Started off slow last season, but came on very strong after working on his blocking reads and has good pass catching skills; Only true negative is his average leg drive when he runs; looks a bit light on the field sometimes:
2007: 556-5 YPC-5 TD
2008: 860-4.6 YPC-12 TD

This goes without mentioning the 40 times of most of the top RBs this year according to Footballsfuture.com: Shonn Greene 4.72, Jeremiah Johnson 4.67, Knowshon Moreno 4.63, Rashad Jennings 4.60, Javon Ringer 4.60, James Davis 4.60, Chris Wells 4.59, Glen Coffee 4.58
Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

More evidence of the Caste System: This time from those Crack heads at Footballsfuture: Read the scouting Reports of the two slowest RBs in their top 10 for this year and then compare to their report of Brian Leonard. Again I've said it many times Footballsfuture is the biggest white hating football site on the net; it probably even beats ESPN and Rivals:

Jeremiah Johnson (4.67): 8th ranked RB by their site:
Full right up can be found here:
[url]http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/prospects/jeremiah_johns on.html[/url]

Weaknesses

Johnson has a lot of versatility, but he does not have one true standout physical trait. He has average size and does not have the power to move the pile but also lacks the explosive speed to be a change of pace guy. Durability has been an issue despite never being a workhorse. He has had shoulder and knee injuries during his career.

Future

Johnson profiles best as a solid rotation back because may not have feature back ability. He can break tackles in space, but he lacks the overall power to run inside and the speed to turn the corner consistently. His best asset is his versatility but he may not have the gamebreaking ability to really stand out in any one area.

Shonn Greene (4.72): 10th ranked RB by their site:
Full write-up here:
[url]http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/prospects/shonn_greene.h tm[/url]

Weaknesses

There is really only one season of film to watch on Greene because he only received substantial playing time in one season. He has to prove that he's more than a one year wonder and has the ability to carry his game over to the next level. Although he has good acceleration, Greene lacks the second gear to consistently outrun defenders. He is also very limited as a receiver, with just 11 career catches to his credit.

Future

Shonn Greene came out of nowhere to become a fine running back, and is taking his game to the next level. With a year at a prep school and a year off in 2007, he is already 23 years old and ready to get paid. He is an impressive interior runner, and that should carry over to the NFL. His lack of breakaway speed and receiving skills may limit his upside and ultimate impact, but he will be a very good addition for any team looking for a power back.

Brain Leonard (4.52): Ranked as a FB and he wasn't even their number one FB until right before the draft if I recall:

The full write-up can be found here:

[url]http://www.footballsfuture.com/2007/prospects/brian_leonard. html[/url]

Leonard is a bit of a RB/FB tweener. His skills are more suited to being an offensive weapon than a true lead blocker. He can block, it's just not his best trait. Although he timed well, he lacks the speed to be a true lead back at the next level, so he definitely has to play the fullback position. He lost some weight in order to impress people with his speed at the combine, but he will need to get back over 230 to effectively play the FB position.

While fullbacks have not been too popular of late, Leonard is a legitimate weapon that someone will be very happy to have in their offense. He will need to get with a coach that's willing to utilize his talents, but Leonard has the ability to be a pro bowl fullback at the next level.

Man I couldn't make this stuff up if I tried.

Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

A look at the future of the NFL for white RBs by draft year via NFLdraftscout rankings:

The 2009 Biased Rankings (8 Notable RB Names):
Julian Edelman: Rank 49
Kyle Bell: Rank 54
Nate Kmic: Rank 62
Stan Zwinggi: Rank 80
Brannan Southerland: Rank 5th FB
Eric Kettani: Rank 11th FB
Brock Bolen: Rank 16th FB
Tyler Roehl: Rank ""24th"" FB (White haters I tell you)

2010 Entire Biased Rankings:
Toby Gerhart: Rank 23
Jake Sharp: Rank 28
Good news!!! Trevyn Smith is ranked a somewhat reasonable 31 at RB for 2010.
David McCarty: Rank 43
David Sinisi: Rank 47
Jared Hawkins: Rank 55 (Are they insane: He's played pretty well for the amount of carries he gets considering how crappy the Vanderbilt offensive scheme is. He is also an athletic phenom).
Taylor Rank: Rank 70
Ryan Christian: Unranked RB (184 are ranked)
William Rose: Rank 8th FB
Chane Moline: Rank 9th FB (It appears being a "running" big white man hurts you at FB)
Kevin Harris: Unranked FB

2011 (8 Notable RB Names):
Doug Houge: Rank 56
John Goebel : Rank 57
Micah Mosley: Rank 86
Dan Dierking: Rank 90
J.J DiLuiggi: Rank 92
John Mosure: Rank 110
Mitch Burroughs: Unranked
James Berezik: Unranked (162 RBs are ranked)

2012 (8 Notable RBs Names):
Sam McGuffie: Rank 19: Again, they must be nuts. How are PJ Hill and Gartrell Johnson better prospects than Sam? Consider; Guff's solid play as a true freshman with him starting to show his mesmerizing ability before getting hurt, his ridiculous athleticism and what he did in H.S. Highly touted Rivals' RB Darrell Scott played worse than Sam as a true freshman, but is ranked 12th. We have a long way to go people, for this racist league to give a white man a chance to run the ball.

Derek Lawson: Rank 28
Dan Mulrooney: Rank 69
Sausan Shakerin: Rank 71
Phil Morelli: Rank 72
Logan Dold: Unranked (180 RBs are ranked)
Robbie Frey: Unranked
Joe Martinek: Unranked

2013 (Top 8 Rivals' white recruits *NFLdraftscout Rank):
Rex Burkhead: Rank 21
Brandon Wegher: Rank 33
Mike Trumpy: Rank 98
Beau Blankenship: Rank 110
Tyler Gaffney: Rank 5th at FB
Michael Campanaro: Rank 86th WR
Ryan Swope: No Entry
Shane McCullen: No Entry

 

[Fightingtowin]

Brain Leonard: Ranked as a FB and he wasn't even their number one FB until right before the draft if I recall:

The full write-up can be found here:

[url]http://www.footballsfuture.com/2007/prospects/brian_leonard. html[/url]

Leonard is a bit of a RB/FB tweener. His skills are more suited to being an offensive weapon than a true lead blocker. He can block, it's just not his best trait.

Although he timed well, he lacks the speed to be a true lead back at the next level, so he definitely has to play the fullback position. He lost some weight in order to impress people with his speed at the combine, but he will need to get back over 230 to effectively play the FB position.

Man I couldn't make this stuff up if I tried.

[/QUOTE]
That quote I put in bold says it all. Jaw dropping. It's amazing how race can cloud somebody's judgment so much even when facts are staring them right in the face.
Tough, do you ever email these people? I think you would be great at it, because you'll be informed and respectful.

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

Yeah it is utter insanity. So he times "far better" than Shonn Greene and Jeremiah Johnson, but quote "definitely" (that right there is an over-confident and non credible statement; does this Robert Davis guy think he's God or something?) has to be a FB. I mean NFLdraftscout ranked Leonard the 3rd best RB for 2007; but it isn't even open to debate with them? That site is nuts I tell you!

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

Just to give you an example of the zealotry of footballsfuture.com let me diagram exactly what happened to me in their forums. And this wasn't my very first post either. You won't believe this. They are big-time, I mean big-time, into censorship.

Here is a true story for you. I wish I could find the thread to link it here. They are so into censorship on that site that they are literally like Fascists. They are undoubtedly a white hating site. However, if you were to even question their scouting reports in their forums and beg the question; for instance "they may be casting Leonard into the FB role because the NFL has no white RBs so it is just the trendy-PC thinking line and easier thing for them to do rather than think outside the box" they will ban you on your second racial question. I am not kidding. You get one strike and then you're banned.

I read the rule, but I was still given my first and only warning for simply quoting an ESPN scouting report in their NFL draft forum. The ESPN report said "Jordy Nelson lacks the speed to separate".

Then I posted another black player's report (I forget who) who ran about 0.05 seconds slower than Jordy. ESPN called this player
"an explosive athlete who can stretch the field"
I respectfully begged the question if this made sense and asked if they might be "stereotyping" Jordy. I had also compared Dan Connor to another slower black LB in the same thread and showed their measurables and asked why a scouting report called him "a blue collar player" who "lacks lateral quickness" and "isn't an elite prospect". I then showed that Connor had also outproduced the other LB on the field as well as outperformed him at the Combine.

I didn't even directly say the words black or white in the forum b/c I had read the rules. But it was still enough for a "moderator" (more like a cultural Marxist "non moderate") to say that the discussion was bordering on breaking forum rules. The "moderator" warned me to end my comparisons of only black to white players. But then low and behold I then I made him aware that I had actually made "3 comparisons" and only two were between players of different races so he was wrong. I had clearly gotten the best of them and exposed them for what they were.

And after that instead of the moderator apologizing or saying he may have overreacted or jumped to conclusions; he said something like I'd advise you to stop eluding to race:

"that's what you're trying to do you're just doing it in a calculated way".
My response back to him was something like:
"geez; way to make posters feel welcome at your site...You're sure quite arrogant for a "moderator", it's supposed to have the word moderate in it. I did nothing wrong and never brought up race, you are way overboard in your reaction...if this site is that touchy; then it's amazing that anyone would want to be a part of it. You guys are like thought police; this is supposed to be for fun not a military tribunal."

After that; I had had enough of that pathetic site and haven't bothered with it since. Anyone who would post there obviously isn't open to any question that isn't simply run of the mill stuff or they would become disgusted enough to find a better site to post on.

I mean: if they are so confident that racial stereotyping doesn't exist, why not defend their position. The logical answer would be because they can't.

It doesn't have to be some fundamentalist rule, allow people to ask the question for God's sake. They can always lock the thread or ban posters when it gets over the top nasty, hateful or out of hand. But to socialists like them; that would be too "dangerous". Even respectful debate on an Un-PC question is like blasphemy; can't even touch the surface of it.

Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Tough, there is a easy to determine power behind such boards that knows they are wrong, but has to keep us from speaking the truth and exposing their plans for the destruction of the white race. This may seem a little strong for you, but its the truth. There is an agenda, mainly by marxist jews who control most media, to take the white man down. What you experienced at footballsfuture is just one example proving it. That is why being nice to them will never work. We must fight them as hard as we can if we hope to survive, because they've already brainwashed most whites into not caring or believing that non-white are superior. We have a lot of work to do if we are going to succeed.

 

[P-NutLane]

Well Said Col.Reb. VERY well said!!!

 

[Jimmy Chitwood]

Tough,

that is some excellent documentation. furthermore, it supports what the Colonel and I have been pointing out for quite some time. there is no middle ground with these people.

it's either all or nothing, and they want us to have nothing.

 

[white is right]

If Gerhart is only the 23rd back expect him to drop in their eyes to about the 30th pick, because juniors always declare for the draft and usually are perceived as better backs than most seniors. He will need a monster season for him to even be regarded as 3rd to 4th rounder. Which in my opinion he should be already with a similar season to his 08 season. If he has a monster year he would be a late first to early third guy in my mind, but to the scouts.....

Edited by: white is right

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

If he (Gerhart) has a monster year he would be a late first to early third guy in my mind, but to the scouts.....

I'd even up Gerhart to a mid-first guy to early 2nd round with a "monster" season. Gerhart is another Peyton Hillis/ Brandon Jacobs/ Chris "Beanie" Wells type. Last year Wells had a "monster" season for playing in the big 10: 1609-5.9 YPC-15 TD. But Wells didn't quite have a "monster" season this year (he got injured) and wasn't spectacular at the Combine (ran a 4.59 40), but is still projected as a mid 1st round pick and Gerhart is currently undraftable. Only in America people...

If Sharp has a monster season: By my evaluation- he's as high as a top 10 pick talent with his freak athleticism.

Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins

 

[whiteathlete33]

Sharp is the fastest player on the team. He has improved his 40 time from 4.5 to 4.38 and the 4.38 is supposedly a legit time. His vertical has gone up from 32 inches to 36. Those are some elite stats. He is 190 lbs and needs to gain another 10-15 pounds so they can't use the size excuse against him.

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

Sharp always had the elite top end speed, but now he has an impressive initial acceleration too. He also has really improved his blocking reads and vision as a runner.

 

[StarWars]

Sharp ran the same speed Devin Hester ran in college while in highschool, clocking a 100m dash at 10.4 sec. He could of been a professional sprinter, but NFLdraftscout.com said: Although he timed well, he lacks the speed to be a true lead back at the next level, so he definitely has to play the fullback position." However Moreno with his mid 4.6 40 does have the speed to be a true lead back at the next level? Why don't they just come out and say one must be black to be a true lead runningback?

 

[dwid]

Sharp ran the same speed Devin Hester ran in college while in highschool, clocking a 100m dash at 10.4 sec. He could of been a professional sprinter, but NFLdraftscout.com said: Although he timed well, he lacks the speed to be a true lead back at the next level, so he definitely has to play the fullback position. " However Moreno with his mid 4.6 40 does have the speed to be a true lead back at the next level? Why don't they just come out and say one must be black to be a true lead runningback?

do you have a link for that, because i just spit out my dinner reading that ridiculous comment. Sharp is fast as hell, and plays fast all hell. He wouldnt even be able to play fullback if they wanted him to. That would be like asking Reggie Bush to play fullback. Its the reason why Leonard hasnt done well at FB, he doesnt have the frame for it. Hes 5'10 190, i would expect to hear them say some bs like "lacks ideal size" and move him to slot receiver rather than suggesting he play fullback. I doubt they have even seen him play.Edited by: dwid

 

[StarWars]

Oh, sorry!!! I confused Jake Sharp with Brian Leonard. It was because the thread was titled Gerhart and Sharp.It is still amazingly stupid though that Leonaard's 4.52 40 is not as elite as Moreno's 4.6 mid40. The link is above posted by TJR. It is amazing that they worded it so blatantly anti-white. They said his 190 lb. frame definitely had to play the fullback position. But all the black runningbacks who timed slower didn't trim down before the combine? The same rhetoric I mentioned applies, but for Leonard and not Sharp. Edited by: StarWars

 

[green fire317]

i think he will try and be converted to safety

 

[Gi-15]

I think you're wrong

 

[StarWars]

I think that would be the most disgusting waste of talent I could ever imagine. He is fast and POWERFUL, two traits historically successful in the NFL. He can run through or around you.

 

[WHITE NOISE]

He will get the Jesse Lumsden treatment. There shall never be any white running backs starting in the NFL. Only after at least five black running backs go down on a team will a coach (Shannahan) put a white " fullback" in at RB.

And we witnessed what happens to a coach that begrudgingly displays white talent at RB, they get fired.

 

[P-NutLane]

The odds for him to get a fair chance are slim to none, unless a big change takes place.

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

From Draftdaddy.com:
Long time DD.com reader/friend Rafael in California has sent us a lot of great links and info, from so many different sources, the last five years, or so. He recently E-Mailed us a fascinating quote, via ESPN Insider, attributed to K.U. offensive coordinator Ed Warinner, regarding vastly underrated K.U. tailback prospect Jake Sharpe: "He is extremely fast. We'll put the gun on him and he's a legitimate 4.2s guy in the 40. We'll list him at 4.3, but he's unreal. ... He just needs to learn to go. We tell him, 'Go, don't dance.'"

DD.comment: Sharpe didn't arrive at Kansas with a lot of fanfare, but he's quietly turned into a terrific player for the Jayhawks. A few weeks ago he barely missed making ESPN's list of College football's top 10 workout warriors.

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

Here is Draftdaddy's opine on the senior tailbacks. I take issue with Scott being ranked ahead of Gerhart with almost identical stats and similar styles. Gerhart is faster- he ran a 4.48 40 out of high school according to Rivals compared to a 4.66 for Scott. Also, Gerhart was in a less prolific offense- making his statistical accomplishments more impressive.

DD.comment: Lightning fast Clemson star C.J Spiller is the top rated tailback in the senior class, by a wide margin, according to our N.F.L. sources. He's been rated as a first rounder going into his senior year, which should not surprise draft followers, as C.J. claimed he got a first round projection from the N.F.L.'s Draft Advisory Panel in early January...After Spiller, L.S.U.'s Charles Scott and Stanford's Toby Gerhart come into the mix. Both players are believed to possess similar size/speed ratio's and posted almost identical rushing and receiving stats as juniors. DD.com was probably the only football site on the Net to rank Gerhart among the top 10 tailbacks in his class the last few years, but we get the feeling that will change soon...LaGarrett Blount of Oregon and Anthony Dixon of Miss. State are also full-sized runners that N.F.L. scouts like. Blount is a JUCO transfer who came up big for the Ducks last fall, and he'll most definitely be asked to do more as a senior...Mid-major F.B.S. stars James Starks and Lonyae Miller of Fresno State are talented medium sized backs that have scouts intrigued. Main difference between the two, right now, is Starks is a prolific receiver out of the backfield, while Miller did not a catch a ball last season. That will have to change if Lonyae wants to elevate his stock...Stafon Johnson of U.S.C. is a talented back, with a decent mix of size and speed, but it will be hard for him to showcase his skills on a team loaded with so many talented running backs.....As far as the last few slots, we could have gone with 15 different players, who have received similar projections, but in attempt to add some quicker athletes, with excellent hands, we rounded this early group out with Keiland Williams and Jake Sharpe, a versatile pair that can serve as 3rd down backs and help out on special teams. While Williams is bigger, runs with more power and could be more durable, Sharpe has has been more of a receiving threat and is probably faster. Scouts believe Jake runs in the high 4.4's, but K.U. coaches claim the workout warrior runs in the 4.3's. If this is true, his measurables and stats would be similar to C.J. Spiller's.

 

[White Power]

on nfl draft scout . com web site they now have Toby as the #6 running back for this up coming season. They had him ranked I beleive in the 20's before. I think the momentum is building for Toby to be a high draft pick if he has a very productive injury free senior year.

 

[white is right]

That seems about right for Gerhart. I would still probably have him lower, maybe about 4 and if he has a monster year he could be in the top 3(including juniors). I still think Sharp is an early day 2 pick because of his weight, even with a monster year.