Gennady Golovkin vs. Grzegorz Proksa

Rebajlo

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So Daniel Geale is aboriginal? Do they practice the one drop rule in Australia for Aborginees? To me he looks your average Australian?

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Mate, if You mentioned the "one drop rule" in Australia, people would probably assume that You were referring to some sort of obsolete cricket regulation. :icon_wink:

The "definition" of "Aboriginality" can be quite contentious, especially in Tasmania, from where Geale hails. Blood quanta conventions, et cetera don't exist. Generally, to be considered an Abo one must satisfy the following criteria:

(a) be of Aboriginal descent;

(b) identify as an Aboriginal "person";

(c) be accepted as an Abo by the community or communities in which one lives or has lived

The salient issue is not Geale's physical appearance, but that he promotes himself as an Abo and is viewed as such. Here is an editorial from the Hobart Mercury which emphasises his "Aboriginal descent":

http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2012/03/08/33155_editorial.html
 

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So, I think the most appropriate term for Gennadiy is Eurasian or Caucasian.

Some people on this site define white people as only Northern Europeans. According to some purists on this site. Even Spaniards and Italians should not be considered white (because after all, these people are Mediterranean and some even have Middle Eastern or Arabic roots). Some people also insist that Slavs and Russians are not white.

Its just a question of where you draw the line. Some people on this site are more purist than others. Im not a purist who only defines white people as "northern european" as you seem to be implying.

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So, who are these mysterious members of the Caste Football forum who define White people exclusively as northern Europeans? Are You perchance referring to me? For if You are, kindly provide examples of where I have said this (here's a tip: don't bother to look, for I've never claimed that southern Europeans aren't White).

Now, wouldn't it be a bit droll if a "purist" like me didn't view Slavs as White - particularly when one takes into account my Polish background... :icon_idea:

Your response illustrates the unfortunate problems with the perception of "White Nationalists" held by the population at large, and even by people who claim to be pro-White. If someone states, for example, that partially "Caucasian-looking" people of evidently mixed parentage shouldn't be considered White, everyone instantly jumps to the conclusion that the person who says this is some sort of "Nordicist", who's probably a tattooed, shovel-faced skinhead sitting in a dingy basement polishing his collection of replica SS memorabilia and slapping off to Mein Kampf.

The attempts to establish a controversial "wedge driving" connection between stating obvious facts about Turks, Arabs and other "Asiatics" and an automatic disdain for - or even hatred of - Italians, Spaniards and other Mediterranean Europeans are risibly predictable.

Just to clear things up for You, Portuguese, Spaniards, Italians, Greeks, et cetera are Whites just like me.

I have mid-brown hair, blue-grey eyes and pale skin. Does that make me "Whiter" than a "dark" Italian or Spaniard? No. Does it make me "less White" than a blond Norwegian. No. There You go...

I sure hope that Zeus is reading this...
 

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white is right -

Mate, if You mentioned the "one drop rule" in Australia, people would probably assume that You were referring to some sort of obsolete cricket regulation. :icon_wink:

The "definition" of "Aboriginality" can be quite contentious, especially in Tasmania, from where Geale hails. Blood quanta conventions, et cetera don't exist. Generally, to be considered an Abo one must satisfy the following criteria:

(a) be of Aboriginal descent;

(b) identify as an Aboriginal "person";

(c) be accepted as an Abo by the community or communities in which one lives or has lived

The salient issue is not Geale's physical appearance, but that he promotes himself as an Abo and is viewed as such. Here is an editorial from the Hobart Mercury which emphasises his "Aboriginal descent":

http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2012/03/08/33155_editorial.html
From what I have read the pure Aboriginals in Tasmania were slaughtered by British settlers in wars for farm land in the 19th century. Since the community in Tasmania is technically extinct I doubt anybody is going to dispute his claim or somebody's claim with a similar appearance. In the United States Eastern Woodland tribes were similarly wiped out and the only remaining members look White/Metis(Mestizo), Black/Mulatto. In another thread in the Happy Hour section we talked about these "Native Americans".
 
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I agree and I applaud every white/Caucasian brother in here who says that Golovkin is white, Caucasian and represents the greatest continent there ever was, Europe!

Some people need to get over their "Hitler's" theories (who was short, dark skinned and brunette) that there are "superior" whites inside our glorious race. These people are the ones who separate us and make us weaker&divided, something that the "chosen" people fully use against us as a whole and come one step closer to their goal to ruin us as a kind!

Argentinians and Spaniards are considered two of the most racist white groups/countries on planet earth according to various polls, both nations self define as WHITE, but there will be "white" people who will deny to these people their "whiteness" like they are Gods in position of God or something!

White/Caucasian kind, is by far the most beautiful, dominant, capable, smart and has produced the greatest empires and countries ever. We have the most variety in hair texture, hair color, eye color etc! Whites that live in countries with an average 25-30 Celsius heat and 300 to 365 days per year strong sun, is natural to be more tan than whites who live in Iceland, that's pure logic!

Obviously Gennadiy is MOSTLY Caucasian (with some Asian blood in him possibly) but like most former Soviets (just like Argentinians) I bet he consider himself white, so end of the story!

Agree with you 100% and Great Post.

Im very pleased to share a website with like minded people such as yourself, Cheers Friend! :)
 
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Just to clear things up for You, Portuguese, Spaniards, Italians, Greeks, et cetera are Whites just like me.

I have mid-brown hair, blue-grey eyes and pale skin. Does that make me "Whiter" than a "dark" Italian or Spaniard? No. Does it make me "less White" than a blond Norwegian. No. There You go...

K Great, well I agree with you wholly on these points. Cheers to that :)
 
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Gennadiy is Kazakh. Kazakhstan has a mix of White Europeans, Mongol Asians, and Turkic Asians. Most Kazakhs are Muslim, so its surprising that Gennadiy is not.

Appearance-wise, in my own personal opinion, Gennadiy appears to be majority Russian and I'd say Gennadiy looks white, or, of a majority white background. Strangely, his brother looks much more Asian than he does. Its literally hard to believe Gennadiy and his brother have the same parents, because Gennadiy looks white and his bro looks Asian! I bet that Gennadiy is atleast half European background. The other half is most likely Mongol. I would consider Gennadiy white, based on his appearance. He appears white.

I also feel strongly that Eurasians (Kazakhs, Turks, Armenians, Greeks, etc) should be considered white in most cases. There are some exceptions (such as Beibut Shumenov, very Asian Kazakh boxer), but for the most part Eurasians can and should be categorized as white. Kostya Tszyu is another Eurasian that I would consider "white".

Public perceptions of both Golovkin and Tszyu is that of European boxers. They are both identified as former Soviet fighters and I think public perception is that they are white anyway.

Generally speaking, I prefer to use the word "Caucasian" and I would *absolutely* consider Gennadiy Caucasian. "White" is a matter of opinion, but absolutely Gennadiy would be classified as "Caucasian".

Some people define white as just Northern Europeans. Some people dont even consider Italians, Greeks, and such white.

Others (like myself) would define white as *all* fair skinned Europeans, and most Eurasian populations. Im actually more comfortable with the word "Caucasian" as well.

To conclude, Golovkin is certainly Caucasian and in my opinion I'd also consider Golovkin white. His public image is that of a European boxer. So yes, I think we should support him at this site.


So am I caucasian too?
:der:

I'm 1/4 Korean + 1/4 Japanese + 1/2 Polish with blue eyes and light hair.


I guess this 50% Korean guy is also a Caucasian. That's so funny man.....

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