gay marriage, and destruction of the traditional family

[frederic38]

yesterday in france there was a big protest in paris, against gay marriage and the change in the constitution, now family no longer exists the way it used to exist
gays will be able to have children
it's the end of filiation


http://www.news.com.au/world-news/f...es-stage-protest/story-fndir2ev-1226605095044


i was there
it was truly impressive:

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there were 1 400 000 people
many, like me, came from outside of paris, other provinces (hence the various regional flags)

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interestingly, the protesters were close to 100% white
the non-whites didn't participate because they know that althought islam is also against gay marriage, this new law is anti-white, so they don't say anything about it, they give their consent
also, later they might want to ask for polygamy to be recognised

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it was one of the biggest protests in history in france, if not the biggest ever

 

[frederic38]

for those who say that muslims are conservative and can be our allies (like boxingspecialist on this site), look at that protest against gay marriage, with only white people in it, white people from every part of france, sometimes very far away (it took us 10 hours to go there)
muslims should be against gay marriage, but they didn't protest the new law with us, even though the organisers of the rally tried very hard to get the muslims into it
they didn't protest because in white countries, all the non-whites, especially the semites, stand together against white people
they didn't protest because they knew that this new law was anti-french, so it was OK for them

 

[Arend]

for those who say that muslims are conservative and can be our allies (like boxingspecialist on this site), look at that protest against gay marriage, with only white people in it, white people from every part of france, sometimes very far away (it took us 10 hours to go there)
muslims should be against gay marriage, but they didn't protest the new law with us, even though the organisers of the rally tried very hard to get the muslims into it
they didn't protest because in white countries, all the non-whites, especially the semites, stand together against white people
they didn't protest because they knew that this new law was anti-french, so it was OK for them

They will try to keep their mouths shut until their numbers reach a critical mass and they can demand everything they want and cause as much havoc as they like, without having to face any consequences. They are technically more “conservativeâ€￾ (archaic is maybe a better word to describe them) but they would never ever support conservative parties or concerns in their host countries. They rather side with social democrats or greens, the same parties that push the homosexual agenda all over Europe. But you cannot serve two masters, and the goals of Muslims and European leftists are very different, so to make a long story short I think it’s a rather tricky and complicated situation. In the end, the revolution will eat its children- meaning it will probably not end well for the European Leftists.

They next thing the usual suspect will try to do is, after they have made homosexuality and other things socially acceptable, is trying to decriminalize sexual acts with children – Guys like Daniel Cohn Bendit (A Happy Merchant by the way) already tried that before

 

[frederic38]

i forgot to mention that this new law was forced on us, they never asked the people if we agree with the new law

 

[harold]

maybe france isnt a lost cause after all!!!!
the beast is slowly starting to awaken ,
keep up the good work .

 

[frederic38]

in the media they give the number of people at the rally given by the government, it's ridiculous
the government said that there were 300 000 people...

a first estimation said that we were 1 400 000

now there are new reports that say that we were closer to 1 800 000

during the rally there was an helicopter that took pictures of the people, to count them
so we know how many people there was

 

[Michael]

Good to see that the French still have the spirit of resistance. Hopefully, it will do some good but the odds are against it. The "elite" be they in the government or media if they support a position will overestimate the numbers in a protest, and if they oppose it they will underestimate it. The sad thing is after all that expense and effort if the "elite" act like they do in the USA they will ignore them, which is probably why White people here so seldom protest because it is a waste of time. Hopefully, the French can use this issue to propel nationalist into power in France.

 

[foobar75]

Good to see that the French still have the spirit of resistance. Hopefully, it will do some good but the odds are against it. The "elite" be they in the government or media if they support a position will overestimate the numbers in a protest, and if they oppose it they will underestimate it. The sad thing is after all that expense and effort if the "elite" act like they do in the USA they will ignore them, which is probably why White people here so seldom protest because it is a waste of time. Hopefully, the French can use this issue to propel nationalist into power in France.

I'm very happy to see the French people stand up for what's right and defend traditional family values and marriage. The turnout is indeed impressive and frederic38, I heard one of the main chants during this protest was "we don't want gay marriage, we want jobs!" or something to that effect. Is that correct? If so, it goes to show you how the elites in the Western world are continuing to push the homosexual agenda, something that impacts < 5% of the population, while completely ignoring far more important issues like jobs and the economy. More people need to be asking these types of questions, how is it that something that is so insignificant as gay-marriage (compared many of the other real problems today) has become front and center, and somehow being promoted as the biggest issue of our time? It's beyond ridiculous.

Michael, I have a different take on why you couldn't even get 10,000 people to protest against gay marriage here in the US. Part of it, I think, is just the dumbed down and apathetic populace who just doesn't care. The other part has to be fear, fear of people losing their jobs, their livelihoods, their reputation, if it's found out that they participated in a pro-family rally. The tentacles of the homosexual mafia run very deep, and these people will viciously come after you and destroy you if don't follow along with their agenda. If only (White) people here could just realize how poweful they can be collectively, I'm convinced the elites would be forced to back down, but unfortunately I see no such possibility, as people here are too fractured, without any sort racial or national identity.

 

[frederic38]

and frederic38, I heard one of the main chants during this protest was "we don't want gay marriage, we want jobs!" or something to that effect. Is that correct? If so, it goes to show you how the elites in the Western world are continuing to push the homosexual agenda, something that impacts < 5% of the population, while completely ignoring far more important issues like jobs and the economy. More people need to be asking these types of questions, how is it that something that is so insignificant as gay-marriage (compared many of the other real problems today) has become front and center, and somehow being promoted as the biggest issue of our time? It's beyond ridiculous.

yes, it was one of the complains during the protest, we are in rough times and they force a law that will destroy family instead of taking care of the real problems we face
because all the people came to protest against the destruction of family, not against gay rights, i'm against gay rights too but i wouldn't have gone to paris if i didn't felt in big danger
that's what this protest was, people from the provinces, who usually never say anything, came to paris because they feared for one of the most important things, family

national identity is not very strong in france either, we are very different depending on what region we come from
for example it was only the second time that i came to paris, i traveled to foreign countries more than paris
my father to this day never went to paris (regional identity was stronger in the past)
look also at the great variety in the flags, regional flags
but i notice that in france national identity is stronger when we feel in danger
also, there is that cliché about french people protesting a lot: it might be true

 

[frederic38]

[h=1]Right-wing historian shoots himself in Notre Dame cathedral 'in protest at gay marriage'[/h]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...edral-protest-gay-marriage.html#ixzz2TxBBHIIb
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he said that he did so to wake up europeans about the european population being replaced by foreigners

sad
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[Europe]

Right-wing historian shoots himself in Notre Dame cathedral 'in protest at gay marriage'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...edral-protest-gay-marriage.html#ixzz2TxBBHIIb
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he said that he did so to wake up europeans about the european population being replaced by foreigners

sad
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It didn't say anything in the article about immigration.

I would gladly allow gay marriage if we could kick out all immigrants and have free association in America.

 

[frederic38]

It didn't say anything in the article about immigration.

I would gladly allow gay marriage if we could kick out all immigrants and have free association in America.

i read many articles in english, but none mention that he was against inmigration
this gay marriage bill is not only gay marriage, but also the destruction of family
it is seen as another step into the destruction of our country
many english website mention his blog post just before committing suicide
but none i have read translate it correctly

Les manifestants du 26 mai ne peuvent ignorer cette réalité. Leur combat ne peut se limiter au refus du mariage gay. Le « grand remplacement » de population de la France et de l’Europe, dénoncé par l’écrivain Renaud Camus, est un péril autrement catastrophique pour l’avenir.

http://www.dominiquevenner.fr/2013/05/la-manif-du-26-mai-et-heidegger/

translation:
the anti gay-marriage protesters that will rally on may 26 can't ignore this reality (mass inmigration from africa being encouraged by our leaders)
they can't limit themselves to the fight against gay marriage
the replacing of france and europe's population by these inmigrants , denounced by the writer Renaud Camus , is a lot more dangerous for the future

he obviously did this because he wanted to wake up people before the rally on 26 of may
in this rally there will be much less people, but there will be mainly far right people
we'll see what will happen

 

[frederic38]

finally, someone translated his message in english:

 

[Freethinker]

finally, someone translated his message in english:

Wow, that's a powerful letter. I have mixed feeling on his suicide. We need people like him speaking out and if his death doesn't wake people, he died in vein and we lost a key figure. I hope his calculated risk pays off.

 

[Europe]

I can't be surprised the media leaves out the anti-immigration.

 

[jaxvid]

Headlines scream: "Adrian Peterson against gay marriage" the headline article on Yahoo and Yahoo sports.

I didn't read the story but I think it went something like: "all pro Adrian Peterson the NFL's leading running back expressed a hate thought crime today when he mentioned in an interview that he is not totally enthusiastic and completely supportive of the holy sacrament of gay marriage. In remarks to a interviewer Peterson took the radical position of 60% of the population that the government sanctioning of relationships that involve sodomy and perversion might not always be the most fantastic thing in the universe.

Peterson tried to back off his remarks by mentioning that he had nothing personally against gays, which is a typical tactic of homophobes trying to hide their hate and bigotry. Everyone involved with Peterson and every person he has ever known expressed surprise that he was in fact such an evil monster and hoped that some sort of drug or electro-shock therapy combined with government ordered indoctrination, would cure him of his illness.

Peterson's agent was quick to express that Peterson was misquoted, has been suffering from stress, and may accidentally have mixed some prescription medicine with alcohol before speaking. He further stressed that Peterson would be making several apologies, would donate money to every single LGBT organization in America, and would also be attending an "I love butt sex" rally to help find a cure for AIDS so that butt sex can continue without risk."

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell was said to be considering a lifetime ban for any player making these or similar remarks.

 

[Old Scratch]

Headlines scream: "Adrian Peterson against gay marriage" the headline article on Yahoo and Yahoo sports.

I didn't read the story but I think it went something like: "all pro Adrian Peterson the NFL's leading running back expressed a hate thought crime today when he mentioned in an interview that he is not totally enthusiastic and completely supportive of the holy sacrament of gay marriage. In remarks to a interviewer Peterson took the radical position of 60% of the population that the government sanctioning of relationships that involve sodomy and perversion might not always be the most fantastic thing in the universe.

Peterson tried to back off his remarks by mentioning that he had nothing personally against gays, which is a typical tactic of homophobes trying to hide their hate and bigotry. Everyone involved with Peterson and every person he has ever known expressed surprise that he was in fact such an evil monster and hoped that some sort of drug or electro-shock therapy combined with government ordered indoctrination, would cure him of his illness.

Peterson's agent was quick to express that Peterson was misquoted, has been suffering from stress, and may accidentally have mixed some prescription medicine with alcohol before speaking. He further stressed that Peterson would be making several apologies, would donate money to every single LGBT organization in America, and would also be attending an "I love butt sex" rally to help find a cure for AIDS so that butt sex can continue without risk."

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell was said to be considering a lifetime ban for any player making these or similar remarks.

Hilarious. The sad thing is it's almost not even satire.

 

[frederic38]

there were again close to a million people in the streets of paris to protest gay marriage

the police was very aggressive:

[video=youtube_share;7Z7o3if8VWM]http://youtu.be/7Z7o3if8VWM[/video]

350 people were arrested
only 21 people were arrested a few weeks ago when blacks and arabs were rioting in the streets of paris as a comparison

here is what an italian politician said:

An Italian MP calls out the Committee of Ministers of the Council of Europe on the disturbing and increasing repression that participants in the very large demonstrations in defense of the family and children's rights face in France. These actions are, according to him, unacceptable from a country that is a member of the Council of Europe.

A written question pointing the finger at the French government's management of the pro-family demonstratrors was submitted to the Committee of Ministers of the Council of Europe. The author of this question is Mr. Luca Volontè, Italian MP, President of the EPP group in the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE). The center-right EPP, European People's Party, is the largest political groupe in the PACE.
In his question, the MP singles out the March 24, 2013 demonstration, during which "many people, including very young children, women, and elderly persons were assaulted and sprayed with tear gaz without cause by law enforcement personel."He also highlights the strange practices that demonstrators have become used to but that still shock foreigners: "Passers-by are stopped in the street and issued tickets simply wearing a piece of apparel or a badge bearing the movement's symbol." (Translator's note: the symbol is a family: a man, woman, and two children, standing together holding hands). More concerning still, he mentions the accounts flooding in of "people being abused by the police forces", as prove the many videos, photos, and testimonies.
The ambassadors of the 47 members states make up the Committee of Ministers of the Council of Europe. Its role is, notably, to watch over these states' respect of democracy, human rights, and the rule of law.
The Committee of Ministers will need to provide a written answer to this question in the coming weeks. To do so, it will ask the French government to explain itself. The Committee has a political authority: it can express preoccupation, issue a recommendation, etc.
On the night of May 9, one of the great French dailies (and France is a member of the Council of Europe) ran this headline on its website: "Arrested for a Sweatshirt". Excerpt: "With our surveillance cameras, we saw a young man wearing a Manif Pour Tous sweatshirt," a police spokesman states with a straight face.

http://www.lamanifpourtous.fr/en/to...sort-des-manifestants-de-la-manif-pour-tous-3

 

[Matra2]

there were again close to a million people in the streets of paris to protest gay marriage

I forget where I saw it - I think a British TV website - claimed it was 150,000. Lysiane Gagnon, a columnist from Quebec writing in today's Globe & Mail, says "[o]n Sunday, tens of thousands of people from all over France gathered in Paris for a last, desperate attempt to have the legislation repealed". Judging by the pictures I've seen frederic's numbers are closer to the truth. That must mean that French police are not only enforcing the law they are making up lies for the government.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/gay-marriage-in-france-cest-compliqu/article12205488/

 

[frederic38]

the non-french media might not know this (or they act like they don't know) but in france when we say how many people were at a rally, we always give 2 figures: the police's figure (which is know for always being comically too low) and the figure according to the organisers of the rally (who inflate the figures too)

so everyone know that when the organisers claim 70 000 people and the police 20 000, the truth is in between
so we never tell the police's figures alone because everyone know that they are false, or at the very least we say "according to the police" so everyone knows that the figure is unrealistical

but in this case the police's figures are so caricaturally low that it's disgusting honestly, i felt sick when i heard that the police claimed that there were 300 000 people at the rally i participated in
the organisers claimed 1,3 million people, or even 1,7
the truth is that there weren't probably 1,5 millions or so, but over 1 million, that's 100% sure
so it's disgusting how they gave ridiculously fake figures

as for the most recent rally, the organisers claim more than 1 million, that's why i said "close to 1 million", because i think that there were a little bit less than 1 million (because you always have to lower the organiser's figures)
but to claim 150 000 people, they should be sent to jail for this

when the pope visited paris in 2008, the same police counted 280 000 people in the exact same space, this place here:

so they gave 2 time less people this time, while the same space was occupied, and in addition to this there were more people outside of this place, in the streets! and it was a moving rally from 1 place to another while for the pope they were just waiting, standing in the same place


the ratio between figures from the police and the organisers are usually 2X or 3X
if the organisers claim 3000 for example, the police claims 1000
the biggest difference was 3,63 up to this day, but the record was destroyed with these anti-gay rallies: the ratio was 7 this time

 

[Matra2]

I think the article I linked to by Lysiane Gagnon contains a couple of mistakes. It says the Socialists withdrew the part of the bill allowing for adoption but I've read elsewhere that the bill allows "married homosexuals" to adopt children. Also, she says Simone Veil has never been connected to the political right. That's definitely not true.

Good points by frederic and Arend about Muslims. They consistently show that immigration is more important to them than social conservatism. Once on European land they are more than happy to be Jewish allies against us. Just like secular Kabyles from Algeria who hate their government and don't like Arabs side with them against the French.

 

[frederic38]

I think the article I linked to by Lysiane Gagnon contains a couple of mistakes. It says the Socialists withdrew the part of the bill allowing for adoption but I've read elsewhere that the bill allows "married homosexuals" to adopt children. Also, she says Simone Veil has never been connected to the political right. That's definitely not true.

Good points by frederic and Arend about Muslims. They consistently show that immigration is more important to them than social conservatism. Once on European land they are more than happy to be Jewish allies against us. Just like secular Kabyles from Algeria who hate their government and don't like Arabs side with them against the French.

i don't know how it was done in other countries, but i suspect that it's the first time that it's not only gay marriage, but a total change in the society that happened

in other european countries they gave gay rights, but didn't change the whole law

in france, the words "father" and "mother" have disappeared
so homosexuals are like heterosexuals, there are not any difference, so ofcourse they can adopt, they don't even need to change the law about adoption, because homosexual couples are just like the others in the french law


traditional family is litterally destroyed, turned into a social group, nothing more

i don't know about veil, i don't know much about her

 

[FootballDad]

Well, the folks in Russia are having nothing to do with homosexual marriage and the sodomite agenda. They are in the process of passing a law that bans homosexual propaganda and the teaching of homosexuality to kids. Hoorah! It passed the lower house 436-0 (the second vote mentioned in the article), so it's pretty much fait accompli. Here is an article about it: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...s-deported-for-sexual-propaganda-8652840.html

 

[frederic38]

for the first time a protester was sentenced to prison: he will spend 2 months in jail
in france the justice is really laxist, it's very hard to get sentenced to prison, especially when you have no criminal record
and the protesters are non-violent
he did nothing to justify being arrested, exept protesting in the streets (you need to be allowed to demonstrate before demonstrating in france)
then he refused to give a DNA sample to the police (they take DNA samples even when you are not guilty)

http://www.itinerarium.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/998117_596819593682960_359365456_n.jpg

http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/artic...-condamne-a-deux-mois-ferme_3433017_3224.html

 

[foobar75]

When I see these types of stories, it's very difficult to have much hope for the future:

http://www.today.com/news/same-sex-...adoption-equality-6C10687368?ocid=msnhp&pos=2

And here's a picture of what the ideal family looks like in this cartoon that we're living in: