French Soccer

[frederic38]

Nice, I really like Reveillere as well, he appears to have a nice positional sense and often poses an offensive threat.

Btw, I saw a bit of the BATE Borisov vs. Paris Saint-Germain match (second leg) during the 2010/2011 edition of the UEFA Europa League and Clément Chantôme impressed me a lot - he seemed like a very tidy player and was quite good when it came to breaking up attacks and distributing the ball. He probably deserves a call-up as well..I tend to have a soft spot for defensive midfielders.

Great call on Ruffier, he has no obvious weakness and is still in his 20s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0eQnBGJ21s


Thanks so much for these clips, really enjoyed them!

Yes, an excellent save, I remember it well, as it turned the tide of the game against Portugal...Abel Xavier, who played very well during this match, eventually went from "hero to zero" (in the English commentators' words), as he committed a handball in his own penalty box. I remember watching this game (I was 13 at the time) and it was very dramatic...I sympathized with the Portuguese players, but they should not have vented their frustration on the refereeing crew. It was a cruel twist of fate, but the penalty was justly awarded.


I also vividly remember his acrobatic save to deny the Brazilian Ronaldo during the 1998 World Cup Final. Barthez was a brave goalkeeper who was not afraid to take risks.

Not sure why Barthez became prone to mistake...perhaps his transfer to Manchester United turned out to be a double-edged sword. Big clubs could be very harsh in the way they treat their players (in comparison to more modest ones)... once you make an error, you may be dropped almost immediately. Perhaps Barthez was not really provided with a supportive environment during his stint with "The Red Devils" and maybe his confidence was negatively affected. Barthez generally seemed more relaxed when playing for France.

Thank you for the other videos!
Shame that Frey is retiring, but he will not be forgotten and is still really appreciated in Italy. Lloris is the one for the future and I am sure that he will not disappoint.
I agree that Coupet and Landreau tend to blow hot and cold, but are definitely above average.


As for penalty saving experts - my favourite would be Ricardo Pereira, Syarhey Veremko, Heurelho Gomes and Jens Lehmann. As you said, Barthez was also more than capable when it came to this component of the game.

Ricardo Pereira (former Portuguese international):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru-c6CUep2c

when i first saw chantome, i instantanely saw he was potentially world class
it was in a french cup match, where the substitutes play
i was amazed by his skills and his ability to do great passes
in the same role as mvila, i think he is better


ruffier is so powerfull also....great video

about barthez, he had no problem at manchesterthe first seasons, but in 2002 he started making mistakes
maybe it was a confidence issue, because it was the year when france did this horrible world cup
and yes, manchester dropped him very quick after those mistakes


this portuguese goal keeper was the best penalty specialist at the 2006 world cup i think
i remeber that he eliminated england

talking about penalty specialists, rogerio ceni comes to mind...
[video=youtube;L8q-p1o52gU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8q-p1o52gU&feature=related[/video]

[video=youtube;_vk0NNQ_eok]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vk0NNQ_eok&feature=related[/video]

[video=youtube;ipIpjXvpJdY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipIpjXvpJdY[/video]

he won everything: world cup, brasileirao (brazilian championship) libertadores (champions league of south america), world clubs championships
he is the only player to have played more than 1000 games with a team, and possibly in an entire career
he scored 103 goals as of now, he is by far the top scorer of all time for a goal keeper
a role model, he always showed love for his club
of german-italian blood
rogerio é mito

 

[frederic38]

i already posted this discussion wich was taking place after the world cup 2010, to try to improve french soccer
this discussion created a scandal
but they only talk about the discussion about multiple nationalities, and they don't focus on the most embarrassing part of the discussion
here it is again (the old post was butchered when we moved to the new forum)
i think this kind of discussion happens not only in france, but in every country:

in the first part of the discussion, they talk about the players that have multiple nationality, and they say that france trains young players that later play for other countries (for example, the majority of the algerian national team has been trained in france)

but at one point, it becomes interesting: this is very important, it is first-hand information on what is hapenning in soccer

"Laurent Blanc:
On veut pas éliminer les
étrangers, pas du tout, mais faire en sorte que les poles Espoirs ou les
poles de la DTN testent sur des critères mieux définis pour pouvoir
attirer d'autres personnes, parce que si on a toujours les memes
critères, y aura toujours les memes personnes. Et plus ca va, plus ca va
etre encore davantage. Parce que je suis sur les terrains tous les
samedis, je vois quelques centres de formation: on a l'impression qu'on
forme vraiment le meme prototype de joueurs: grands, costauds,
puissants. Qu'est-ce qu'il y a actuellement comme grands, costauds,
puissants ? Les blacks. Et c'est comme ca. C'est un fait actuel. Dieu
sait que dans les centres de formation, dans les écoles de football, ben
y en a beaucoup. Je crois qu'il faut recentrer, surtout pour des
garcons de 13-14 ans, 12-13 ans, avoir d'autres criteres, modifiés avec
notre propre culture. Je vais vous citer les Espagnols: ils n'ont pas
ces problemes-là. Ils ont des criteres de jeu qui sont tres precis, à
12-13 ans.Erick Mombaerts: C'est ca le projet.Laurent Blanc:
Avec notre culture, notre histoire, etc. Les Espagnols, ils m'ont dit:
"Nous, on n'a pas de probleme. Nous, des blacks, on n'en a pas."
Erick Mombaerts: Mais
Laurent, le phenomene que tu evoques, c'est tellement ancre chez nous
que les petits gabarits blancs qui sont dans les poles Espoirs, les
clubs pro me les laissent sur les bras. Ils ne les prennent pas,
n'importe comment, meme si c'est des bons joueurs!
Laurent Blanc:
Les clubs ils auront toujours leurs criteres de selection.Ca tu
pourras pas... Meme si en formant des educateurs, tu vas pouvoir
peut-etre à la longue changer un petit peu les choses, ou influencer un
peu. Mais c'est surtout dans les poles qu'il faut avoir ces criteres-là."

Un participant sort de ses gonds et rappelle qu'un bon joueur est
efficace quelle que soit sa couleur de peau, rouge ou blanche, sa
taille, grande ou petite.
Laurent Blanc: Oui,
mais en ce moment tu n'as pas le choix puisque tu as toujours le meme
stereotype de joueurs, tu exageres. Je vois les centres de formation, je
les vois de Bordeaux, des cites, et tu as toujours le meme stereotype
de joueurs, je suis desole ! Tu vas aller au centre de formation de
Bordeaux, tu vas prendre les joueurs, mais des petits bons joueurs, tu
n'en auras pas. Donc il faut inciter."





i will try to translate:
Laurent Blanc: We
don't want to eliminate foreign players, not at all, we want to ensure that the poles or
poles Hopes of DTN test on clearly defined criteria in order to attract
others types of players, because if we keep the same criteria, there will always be the same type of player. And the more it goes, the more it will be like this.Because
I am on the stadiums every Saturday, I see some training centers: it looks like we produce the same type of players: big, strong, powerful. Who are big, strong, powerful? The blacks. It's like that.It is a fact today. God knows that in the training centers, soccer schools , well there are many.I believe we must refocus, especially for boys aged 13-14 years, 12-13 years, have other criteria, modified with our own culture. I will quote the Spanish: they have no problems there. Their criteria are very specific to 12-13 years.

Erick Mombaerts: This is what we have to do.

Laurent Blanc:With our culture, history, etc. The Spanish said: "We don't have this problem. We don't have blacks."

Erick Mombaerts: But Laurent, this subject you talk about, it is so true in France that the skinny white boys that are in the "pole espoir" (the place where players are trained),are not chosen by the professional teams. They don't take them, in every case, even if they are good players!

Laurent Blanc: The clubs will always have their selection criteria. You can't change that ... Although by training teachers, you will be able to change things a bit, or have a little influence. But it is in the poles (the place were soccer players are trained when they are young) that we need to have those criteria.

(One participant tells that a good player is effective regardless of skin color, red or white, size, large or small.)

Laurent Blanc: Yes, but right now you have no choice since you have always the same stereotype of players, you're exaggerating. I see training centers, for example Bordeaux, or suburbs (where inmigrants live the most in france), and you always have the same stereotype of players, I'm sorry! If you go to the training center of Bordeaux, you'll draft players, but little good players (=the skinny white type, ndlr), you won't find them. Therefore we should push them to have more skinny white players.

 

[Matra2]

The Spanish said: "We don't have this problem. We don't have blacks."

Spain seems to have done alright without blacks. Current World Cup and European champions!

He says the clubs picking strong black players have a criteria. I haven't seen Ligue 1 in a few years so is it more physical like the English Premier League? BTW all those Algerians being trained by the French look small and skinny.

 

[frederic38]

Spain seems to have done alright without blacks. Current World Cup and European champions!

He says the clubs picking strong black players have a criteria. I haven't seen Ligue 1 in a few years so is it more physical like the English Premier League? BTW all those Algerians being trained by the French look small and skinny.

well don't forget that 90% of the premier league black players come from ligue 1
so we have enough black players to give some to premier league, and still being able to have 60-80% of blacks

we obviously produce them in high quantity

when he speaks about physical blacks, i think he thinks about the youth categories, when whites are not fully developped, and blacks are
but you can clearly see that some of the french players are only playing soccer becausee they are athletics, big, black ect
marseille (OM) is a good example of this
and they are doing really bad this year

som ligue 1 teams started to look like american football teams, with 15 black guys, tall, with short hair, who looked like elephants on the field (because they are too heavy and have zero coordination)
some still look like this



i would say ligue 1 is less physical than premier league, in ligue 1 it looks more like soccer than in premier league
but we have less talented players
premiere league it seems took only the goofiest black players like cisse, distin, zubar...i'm surprised they didn't bought apoula edel

again, it's funny because in brazil for example or in other south american coutries, blacks are there for their skills (robinho, neymar even if not black ect) and a lot of whites play just because they are big (they are skilled because they are brazilian, but they are not the most skilled)


for example 2 french teams:
nancy: 15/26 blacks in the whole team (the rest are arabs, latinos, asians...)
auxerre: 17/29

two better teams:
PSG:12/26
montpellier:10/27

 

[frederic38]

the new team for the next two friendly matches
including the match against USA

Gardiens de but : Cédric Carrasso (Bordeaux), Hugo Lloris (Lyon), Steve Mandanda (Marseille)

Défenseurs : Eric Abidal (FC Barcelone/ESP), Matthieu Debuchy (Lille), Jérémy Mathieu, Laurent Koscielny (Arsenal/ANG), Adil Rami (Valence/ESP), Anthony Réveillère (Lyon), Mamadou Sakho (PSG)

Milieux de terrain : Yohan Cabaye (Newcastle/ANG), Alou Diarra (Marseille), Florent Malouda (Chelsea/ANG) Yann M'Vila (Rennes), Marvin Martin, (Sochaux), Samir Nasri (Manchester City/ANG)

Attaquants : Karim Benzema (Real Madrid/ESP), Kevin Gameiro (PSG), Jérémy Ménez (PSG), Loïc Rémy (Marseille), Franck Ribéry (Bayern Munich/ALL), Olivier Giroud (Montpellier)

 

[Liverlips]

Frederic:

Merci for the roster. Your updates are excellent!

Do you mind giving the racial breakdowns?

 

[frederic38]

Frederic:

Merci for the roster. Your updates are excellent!

Do you mind giving the racial breakdowns?

thanks
here it is:

arabs:3
blacks:7
whites:11, including islam convert ribery, cabaye the 1/4 asian, and jew carasso

mulatto: marvin martin, maybe part black

i have to say it's the whitest french team i ever saw

interesting to note, only 1 black foward (remy) who would have thought this months ago?

and mexes didn't recover from his injury

remember about giroud, you heard it here first

 

[MilanClass]

thanks
here it is:

arabs:3
blacks:7
whites:11, including islam convert ribery, cabaye the 1/4 asian, and jew carasso

mulatto: marvin martin, maybe part black

i have to say it's the whitest french team i ever saw

interesting to note, only 1 black foward (remy) who would have thought this months ago?

and mexes didn't recover from his injury

remember about giroud, you heard it here first

LOL...why does France have to pick their whitest team in a long time against USA's "AFFLEETES". I was looking forward to black vs black just to see how comically bad the game would be. Now there is no doubt France will win. Jurgen will pick his super black athletes and get dismantled by Les Blues.

And I predict Maurice Edu will have another nice whiff

 

[frederic38]

LOL...why does France have to pick their whitest team in a long time against USA's "AFFLEETES". I was looking forward to black vs black just to see how comically bad the game would be. Now there is no doubt France will win. Jurgen will pick his super black athletes and get dismantled by Les Blues.

And I predict Maurice Edu will have another nice whiff

good prediction
but don't worry, i think the french central defence should be able to bring the funny
mexes is still injuried, so we might play with rami+sakho or abidal
i would love to see sakho

http://rutube.ru/tracks/4710243.html

http://rutube.ru/tracks/4703248.html

 

[Liverlips]

A bit of good news from the French side for once. I would love to see Kliinsman lose his job. What will he be - 1-6-1 after the French loss?

U.S. Soccer deserves nothing but loss and misfortune for embracing the hilarious idea of black supremacy in sports.

If they get any blacker I will go to Los Angeles and happily join the Mexicans in booing and jeering the U.S. side.

 

[Crixus]

White folks are like the 73% of the nation in America right? Can't you guys do something about it? Your basketball team is like 100% black and now soccer team becomes 50% blacks when we all know that blacks can't play soccer, it's a fact!

Can't you white folks do something about it and take over in the sports that Negroes are the majority as the NBA and NFL?

You have to get more organized or change the way of thinking and the loser mentality of the white youth in America!

 

[Liverlips]

Whites are now down to 63% of the population. We are already a minority of babies being born.

We still dominate most sports with the exception of basketball, football and the sprints. Even there, white high school teams routinely defeat black teams in football and basketball (soccer is not even close - blacks are terrible at it).

But the caste mentality is hard to beat. A coach (black or white) will see a white man outrun, outjump and outlift a black man but still insist that the black is better. Klinsman, the buffoon, is a perfect example of this sickness.

 

[frederic38]

White folks are like the 73% of the nation in America right? Can't you guys do something about it? Your basketball team is like 100% black and now soccer team becomes 50% blacks when we all know that blacks can't play soccer, it's a fact!

Can't you white folks do something about it and take over in the sports that Negroes are the majority as the NBA and NFL?

You have to get more organized or change the way of thinking and the loser mentality of the white youth in America!

also, i have nothing against a litle off topic, but this thread is about the french national team, and there is another were we talk about the USA national team
http://www.castefootball.us/forums/...layers-Under-New-Coach-Jurgen-Klinsmann/page3

and the same thing will most likely happen to most national teams, it happened to france for example
and france now has 11 whites (or 12 if you count marvin martin as white) out of 22
while whites are no longer the majority in france, especially in the youth, and in the big cities, and i can tell you there are very few whites that play soccer in france

 

[Crixus]

also, i have nothing against a litle off topic, but this thread is about the french national team, and there is another were we talk about the USA national team
http://www.castefootball.us/forums/...layers-Under-New-Coach-Jurgen-Klinsmann/page3

and the same thing will most likely happen to most national teams, it happened to france for example
and france now has 11 whites (or 12 if you count marvin martin as white) out of 22
while whites are no longer the majority in france, especially in the youth, and in the big cities, and i can tell you there are very few whites that play soccer in france

When France won the world cup of 1998 do you rememebr the racial make up?
16 white players
6 blacks
1 Arab
White coach

Am i right? White is right, the facts prove it!

French team with a black majority roster has won any title? Nope!

2004 and 2008 Euro champs, Greece and Spain, 23 white players in the roster in both cases.

2006 and 2010 world champs, Italy and Spain, same racial make up as above.

Heck even in South America, Uruguay is the whitest team and won the title.

I guess the selectors in the teams of France and USA want to be losers and pick Negroes heehehe.

 

[frederic38]

When France won the world cup of 1998 do you rememebr the racial make up?
16 white players
6 blacks
1 Arab
White coach

Am i right? White is right, the facts prove it!

French team with a black majority roster has won any title? Nope!

2004 and 2008 Euro champs, Greece and Spain, 23 white players in the roster in both cases.

2006 and 2010 world champs, Italy and Spain, same racial make up as above.

Heck even in South America, Uruguay is the whitest team and won the title.

I guess the selectors in the teams of France and USA want to be losers and pick Negroes heehehe.

of course i remember
france has now 7 blacks out of 22, as much as before
but i don't know if it will remain as low, since france's population is a lot darker than it was in 1998

but france didn't deserve to win the 1998 world cup, they just weren't the best team

everyone (at least the whites) in france now understood that blacks are bad at soccer, USA just needs a little more time to understand it ( i took more than 10 years for france)
but france and USA will most likely never have more than 6-7 white starters because our population are changing (becoming darker), and they will try to make a team representative of the population

 

[frederic38]

the french team gets even whiter: gonalons is called for the first time
i talked about him a while ago, he is the one of spanish origin
he has been called because nasri is injuried

so now:

12 whites
2 arabbs
7 blacks
marvin martin, maybe part black, considered white sometimes by the public, so that's 13 whites if you count him as white

 

[Liverlips]

In all seriousness, I believe the French team is now whiter than the U.S. team.

When France beats the U.S. and Klinsmann goes to 1-6-1, he and the rest of the sports media in the U.S. will know what to do. "Too many whites! Too few blacks!" they will yodel in unison.

 

[Liverlips]

"When France beats the U.S. and Klinsmann goes to 1-6-1, he and the rest of the sports media in the U.S. will know what to do. "Too many whites! Too few blacks!" they will yodel in unison."

As the white fans, splendid in their Freddie Adu jerseys, nod their heads sagely, give each other high-fives and reach for some more beer and chips.

 

[MilanClass]

"When France beats the U.S. and Klinsmann goes to 1-6-1, he and the rest of the sports media in the U.S. will know what to do. "Too many whites! Too few blacks!" they will yodel in unison."

As the white fans, splendid in their Freddie Adu jerseys, nod their heads sagely, give each other high-fives and reach for some more beer and chips.

LOL...couldn't have said it better myself my friend. They will still wear their Freddy Adu jerseys when he's 40 years old and made absolutely no impact on world football. And then they will still rant "if only Kobe or Shaq played soccer"




Sorry to hijack the thread Frederic

 

[Strike]

Looking at America's strike force, the quality of the forwards is embarrassing: Altidore, Beasley, and Buddle. They lack any kind of dribbling skill needed to create their own goal-scoring chances. And they fail to make use of service because their horrible first touch, bad decision-making, poor positioning, etc. The USA has not had a decent forward since Brian McBride.

Despite how the USA squad is full of all these bone-headed, unskilled "athletes", it's interesting that they're overly reliant on Dempsey and Donovan, sort of like how Holland relies so much on Sneijder and Robben.

@Frederic

marvin martin, maybe part black, considered white sometimes by the public, so that's 13 whites if you count him as white

Are you sure that Marvin Martin is part Black?? I could not find any information about it. But to me he looks like a typical Frenchmen descended from Spanish or Portuguese immigrants. Yann Mvila is half Congolese and White, but he looks almost completely Black.

And looking at Laurent Blanc's squad, the players he's gone with is confusing. There is no way that Alou Diarra and Mvila should be picked over Toulalan, Pedretti, Bodmer, Cheyrou and other quality French midfielders.

Malouda has always been rubbish and he doesn't get regular game time anymore at Chelsea. It makes no sense to keep on using him because he has no future. And why was Valbuena left out? After Ribery and Menez, he's got to be France's best wide man. Antoine Griezmann looks like he'll be the next Ribery, especially after his impressive game against Barcelona.

 

[frederic38]

no problem milanclass
after all we are on an american forum, and a USA-france match is close


@strike
the reason why i say he might be part black is because martin is a french name, so he would be half french and half portuguese/spanish
and he is too dark
my guess would be his father is from reunion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Réunion)
and his mother maybe portuguese

french soccer players from reunion for example: laurent robert and jeremy morel

martin is a frequent name in reunion (they have french name there)

martin is also frequent in martinique (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martinique)

so basically i think his father was part black, mixed, not fully black (like congoles, african)

but it's hard to imagine that his father is a frenchman called martin
i say this also because of the way he talks


but actually, after a little search, his father is white
his brother looks suspicious

[video=youtube;Za4JdRumywY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za4JdRumywY&feature=player_embedded[/video]

in this video you see his father at 0.15
and his brother at 0.27

i don't know...

 

[Giles Daldanus]

I am not much of an expert when it comes to races, but Marvin Martin reminds me a bit of some people in Eastern European states who are of partly Romani ancestry. He also has a slight resemblance to Ricardo Quaresma and Andre-Pierre Gignac (with regard to body type and facial expression).

However, it's still possible that he could be fully Europid/of fully European descent, as "dark Europeans" could be found in quite a few countries from the continent. Sometimes people might inherit a relatively unusual combination of features from both of their parents.

Hope that it will be an interesting and dynamic match! I am sure that many of the new faces like Giroud will have successful debuts.

 

[frederic38]

I am not much of an expert when it comes to races, but Marvin Martin reminds me a bit of some people in Eastern European states who are of partly Romani ancestry. He also has a slight resemblance to Ricardo Quaresma and Andre-Pierre Gignac (with regard to body type and facial expression).

However, it's still possible that he could be fully Europid/of fully European descent, as "dark Europeans" could be found in quite a few countries from the continent. Sometimes people might inherit a relatively unusual combination of features from both of their parents.

Hope that it will be an interesting and dynamic match! I am sure that many of the new faces like Giroud will have successful debuts.

yes, he could be a gipsy
his father has that look also i think

the problem i have withh im is not only the fact that he is dark (fabrizio miccoli the south italian is as dark)
but it's being very dark while having a french name

if his name was gomes i woulnd't have suspected anything

i don't know if it will happen, but i would like to see giroud start the game, just to see his face and emotions during the anthems
he was almost crying when he talked about wearing the french jersey (wich looks like a ***'s jersey, but that's another problem)




the team that will most likely start against USA:
Lloris – Debuchy, Rami, Koscielny, Mathieu – M’Vila, Martin, Ménez, Ribéry – Benzema, Gameiro

maybe gonalons in place of martin

so only 1 black and 2 arabs in the starting lineup

 

[Liverlips]

I look forward to cheering the French side for once.

 

[frederic38]

I look forward to cheering the French side for once.

i think i will have to change the name of the thread , if it is possible, because laurent blanc did what he had to do to avoid the disparition of the french national team
france will still have trouble to qualify to the 2014 world cup though, because as a consequence of the bad results of the previous teams (the real "all blacks" ) france is no longer "top seed", and so they will have to beat spain in order to qualify to the 2014 world cup
but laurent blanc is going in the good direction