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<div id="hn-line">Fort Hood suspect said methodical goodbyes</div>
By MIKE BAKER and BRETT J. BLACKLEDGE
(AP)
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25 minutes ago</span>


FORT HOOD, Texas â€" As if going off to war, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan
cleaned out his apartment, gave leftover frozen broccoli to one
neighbor and called another to thank him for his friendship â€" common
courtesies and routines of the departing soldier. Instead, authorities
say, he went on the killing spree that left 13 people at Fort Hood,
Texas, dead.

Investigators examined Hasan's computer, his home
and his garbage Friday to learn what motivated the suspect, who lay in
a coma, shot four times in the frantic bloodletting that also wounded
30. Hospital officials said some of the wounded had extremely serious
injuries and might not survive.

The 39-year-old Army psychiatrist
emerged as a study in contradictions: a polite man who stewed with
discontent, a counselor who needed to be counseled himself, a
professional healer now suspected of cutting down the fellow soldiers
he was sworn to help.

Relatives said he felt harassed because of
his Muslim faith but did not embrace extremism. Others were not so
sure. A recent classmate said Hasan once gave a jarring presentation to
students in which he argued the war on terrorism was a war against
Islam, and "made himself a lightning rod for things" when he felt his
religious beliefs were challenged.

Investigators were trying to
piece together how and why Hasan allegedly gunned down his comrades in
one of the worst mass shootings ever on an American military base. The
rampage unfolded at a center where some 300 unarmed soldiers were lined
up for vaccines and eye tests.

Soldiers reported that the gunman
shouted "Allahu Akbar!" â€" an Arabic phrase for "God is great!" â€" before
opening fire Thursday, said Lt. Gen. Robert Cone, the base commander.
He said officials had not confirmed Hasan made the comment.

Hasan's
family said in a statement Friday that his alleged actions were
"despicable and deplorable" and don't reflect how the family was reared.

Hasan
was due to be deployed to Afghanistan to help soldiers with combat
stress, a task he'd done stateside with returning soldiers, the Army
said. The timing of his departure was not disclosed.

In any event, the major was saying goodbyes and dispensing belongings to neighbors.

Jose Padilla, the owner of Hasan's apartment complex, said Hasan gave him notice two weeks ago that he was moving out this week.

Earlier
this week, Hasan asked Padilla his native language. When Padilla said
it was Spanish, Hasan immediately went up to his apartment to get him a
Spanish-language Quran. Padilla said Hasan also refused to reclaim his
deposit and last month's rent, surrendering $400 that the major said
should go to someone who needed it.

"I cannot comprehend that the
enemy was among us," Padilla said, tearing up. "I feel a little guilt
that I was basically giving housing to someone who is going to do so
much destruction."

Neighbor Patricia Villa said Hasan came to her
apartment the day of the shooting, and before, to give her vegetables,
an air mattress, T-shirts, a Quran and offer her $60 to clean his
Killeen, Texas, apartment after he left.

Jacqueline Harris, 44,
who lives with her boyfriend Willie Bell in the apartment next door to
Hasan, said he called Thursday at 5 a.m. and left a message.

"He
just wanted to thank Willie for being a good friend and thank him for
being there for him," Harris said. "That was it. We thought it was just
a nice message to leave."

Bell said Hasan offered a farewell, saying "nice knowing you old friend. I'm going to miss you."

According
to a Killeen police report in August, an Army employee was charged with
scratching Hasan's car, causing $1,000 in damage. Apartment manager
John Thompson said the man charged was a soldier back from Iraq, who
objected to Hasan's faith and ripped a bumper sticker off the major's
car that said: "Allah is Love."

Kim Rosenthal, another neighbor,
said Hasan didn't seem too upset by his scratched vehicle, even though
it was damaged so badly that he got a new one. "He said it was Ramadan
and that he had to forgive people," Rosenthal said. "He forgave him and
moved on."

Hasan appeared less forgiving to Dr. Val Finnell when
they were classmates in a 2007-08 master's public health program at the
Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md.

She
said that at a class presentation by public health students, at which
topics like dry cleaning chemicals and house mold were discussed, Hasan
talked about U.S. military actions as a war on Islam. Hasan made clear
he was a "vociferous opponent" of U.S. wars in Muslim countries,
Finnell said.

"He made himself a lightning rod for things," she said. "No one picked on him because he was a Muslim."

Law
enforcement officials said they are trying to confirm if Hasan wrote
Internet postings that include his name about suicide bombings and
other threats, equating suicide bombers to soldiers who throw
themselves on a grenade to save the life of fellow soldiers.

Hasan
is the Arlington, Va.-born son of Palestinian parents who ran a
restaurant and bar in Roanoke, Va., from 1987 to 1995, and owned a
small grocery store in that city.

His relatives in the West Bank said they had heard from family members that Hasan felt mistreated in the Army as a Muslim.

"He
told (them) that as a Muslim committed to his prayers he was
discriminated against and not treated as is fitting for an officer and
American," said Mohammed Malik Hasan, 24, a cousin. "He hired a lawyer
to get him a discharge."

Mohammed Hasan said outside his home in
Ramallah that he heard about the shooting from a relative. "I was
surprised, honestly, because the guy and his brothers are so calm, and
he, as I know, loves his work."

Nidal Hasan is the eldest of
three brothers. One brother, Annas, lives in Ramallah with a wife and
daughter, and practices law. The youngest brother, Eyad, lives in
Virginia.

"We don't mix with them a lot," Mohammed said. "Nidal like to stay alone, he was very calm. He minded his own business."



Blackledge reported from Washington. Associated Press writers
Lara Jakes, Lolita C. Baldor, Cal Woodward, Devlin Barrett, Brett
Zongker and Jessica Gresko in Washington; Sue Lindsey in Roanoke, Va.;
April Castro and Jeff Carlton in Killeen, Texas; Dalia Nammari in
Ramallah, West Bank; and AP's News Research Center in New York
contributed to this report.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ihGepAkECGoDagETVBMpPb3w7Y3gD9BQ9NI01
 

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Here's a good article on the issue. Obviously PC thinking prevented the army from acting properly on this nutjub. It turns out he had long preached of radicalism and even attended the same church as some of the 911 bombers.

"Sen. Joe Lieberman's call for the investigation came as word surfaced that Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan apparently attended the same Virginia mosque as two Sept. 11 hijackers in 2001, at a time when a radical imam preached there.

Classmates participating in a 2007-2008 master's program at a military college complained repeatedly to superiors about what they considered Hasan's anti-American views. Dr. Val Finnell said Hasan gave a presentation at the Uniformed Services University that justified suicide bombing and told classmates that Islamic law trumped the U.S. Constitution.

Another classmate said he complained to five officers and two civilian faculty members at the university. He wrote in a command climate survey sent to Pentagon officials that fear in the military of being seen as politically incorrect prevented an "intellectually honest discussion of Islamic ideology" in the ranks. The classmate also requested anonymity because the investigation is ongoing."

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Here is the link to the above article that jaxvid mentions. I couldn't getthe pasted link to work. 13 dead and 29 wounded in the name of political correctness and the cause of Allah.
 

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From the AOL article mentioned by Football Dad:

"Classmates participating in a 2007-2008 master's program at a military college complained repeatedly to superiors about what they considered Hasan's anti-American views. Dr. Val Finnell said Hasan gave a presentation at the Uniformed Services University that justified suicide bombing and told classmates that Islamic law trumped the U.S. Constitution."


"Another classmate said he complained to five officers and two civilian faculty members at the university. He wrote in a command climate survey sent to Pentagon officials that fear in the military of being seen as politically incorrect prevented an "intellectually honest discussion of Islamic ideology" in the ranks. The classmate also requested anonymity because the investigation is ongoing."

How will the Army try to explain this away?

President Barack Hussein Obama jumped to conclusions about the Gates incident, but now he says to everyone else, "Let's not jump to conclusions," because he wants this whole issue to disappear.

"Lieberman, chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, wants Congress to determine whether the shootings constitute a terrorist attack.
"If Hasan was showing signs, saying to people that he had become an Islamist extremist, the U.S. Army has to have zero tolerance," Lieberman, an independent from Connecticut, said on "Fox News Sunday." ''He should have been gone."

Joe Lieberman finally says a few things that make sense.
 

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DixieDestroyer said:
The Feds are know claiming Hasan had contact with Al-Qaida.
So what? "Al Qaeda" simply means "the base" in Arabic, the name chosen by fundamental Islamists since their poligious goals are fundamental with Islamic teaching. This fellow simply was following the commands of his God and his Prophet, whether or not he had contact with "Al Qaeda" is meaningless. Now, on the other hand, the attempt to drum up support for the faulty middle-east operations is predictable.
 

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FBD, my post was in-line with your last sentence. Both Obongo & the DNC/RNC "leadership" are puppets of the PTB, and have furthered the empire building quagmire (by design) in the Middle East. Whenever I hear/see the rhetoric about "Al Qaida", etc. it usually is sheer propaganda meant to drum up American support of the Middle East "meat grinder", which is of NO benefit to our Constitutional Republic...only to the Zionists, Big Oil & their Globalist Elite allies.
 

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Yup, Dixie, I am sympathetic with your take on the middle east, especially the oil/economic aspects. I don't like the actions that we've taken since we are doing nothing to solve the main problem of Islam. We get rid of Saddam, and "install" a Sharia-leaning pseudo democracy. At least Saddam was a simple megalomaniac, out for his own glory, not religious domination. In Afghanistan we chase out/spread al qaeda and the fundamentalist taliban to neighboring countries, including NUCLEAR Pakistan, when they were better off being stuck in Afghanistan.
 

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if one takes a look at it, the Fort Hood "official" story certainly seems fishy ...

Texas Gov. Rick Perry Gives Remarks on Fort Hood Shooting Tragedy -- FOX News, says there were 3 shooters, with 1 dead and 2 in custody.

What happened to the other shooters?
<H2>U.S. Army Psychiatrist Allegedly Carried Out Massacre at Fort Hood </H2>
November 6th, 2009





Update: And Now"¦ "Men in Suits" Take Another Suspect Away


Via: CNN:


Surviving Fort Hood shooting suspect arrested at golf course, officer says
November 5, 2009 â€" Updated 2334 GMT (0734 HKT)


(CNN) â€" A senior officer who was playing golf Thursday near Fort Hood, Texas, told CNN he witnessed the arrest of one of the two surviving suspects of the shooting at the Army installation.


Shortly after the shooting, the officer said, military police told him to clear the course and he saw other MPs surround the building that held the golf carts, he said.


The senior officer said he ducked into a nearby house for cover as 30 to 40 cars carrying MPs approached.


He said he saw a soldier in battle-dress uniform, his hands in the air. The MPs ordered him to lie on the ground and open his uniform, presumably to ensure he was not carrying explosives, the senior officer said.


He said an MP told him that authorities considered the man to be a suspect in the shootings after having overheard the man say he was with the shooter.


The man was surrounded for 25 to 30 minutes, until a convoy of vehicles arrived, led by a Ford Crown Victoria and carrying men in suits, and he was taken away, the senior officer said.


The golf course is about 2.5 miles from Fort Hood, the officer told CNN.



â€"End Updateâ€"


Update: The "Gunmen"Â Story That Will Soon Disappear


Via: Dow Jones:


Second Gunman In Custody At Army's Fort Hood -Report


DOW JONES NEWSWIRES


A second gunman is in custody after a shooting at the Army's Fort Hood in Texas in which at least seven people were killed and 12 wounded, reports KCEN-TV of Waco. The report comes about two hours after a first suspect was captured, shortly after gunfire broke out.


Authorities say the gunmen were dressed in fatigues, though it's not confirmed whether they are military personnel. It's also not known if the victims were military personnel or civilians.


The incident reportedly began at Fort Hood's theater and then moved to the Soldier Readiness Processing Center, Killeen City Public Information Officer Hillary Shine told Fox News. A graduation ceremony was scheduled to take place Thursday.



â€"End Updateâ€"


Via: ABC News:


Thirteen people died and 30 were wounded at a Texas military post in a shooting rampage that officials believe was carried out by an Army psychiatrist who was about to be deployed to Iraq.


The suspected gunman has been identified as Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan. Hasan would have been deployed to Iraq later this month, an Army official said.


It would have been his first deployment, two sources told ABC News.


Hasan is believed to be of Palestinian origin: His grandfather moved to the United States in the 1940s. One of Hasan's two brothers recently moved to Ramallah and works in the West Bank, the sources said. Hasan's family is said to own a number of apartments in Ramallah.


The family has refused to speak to reporters, but a person close to the family told ABC News that Hasan had told his family he was unhappy about his impending deployment abroad.


The person also said that all three brothers â€" a lawyer, a professor and a psychiatrist â€" are highly educated. They lost both parents to cancer. Hasan's mother came from al Bireh, a Palestinian town close to Ramallah. She was traumatized by her experience in the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, when she was 15, according to the source.


Hasan was initially reported to have been killed but Lt. Gen. Robert W. Cone told a late-night news conference that the suspect was wounded and in custody. Cone declined to comment on Hasan's medical condition was but said he is expected to live.


Hasan has not spoken to authorities, Cone said.


Two other soldiers were taken into custody but were later released.


Hasan's cousin, Nader Hasan, issued a statement late Thursday. "We are shocked and saddened by the terrible events at Fort Hood today. We send the families of the victims our most heartfelt sympathies,"Â the statement read.


"Nidal was an American citizen. He was born in Arlington, Va., and raised here in America. "¦ Our family loves America. We are proud of our country, and saddened by today's tragedy."Â


Hasan allegedly opened fire and killed 13 people on the post before he was shot several times. Among the wounded was a female police officer who exchanged gunfire with Hasan.


Cone called the attack "a terrible tragedy, stunning."Â He said the community was "absolutely devastated."Â


Other Fort Hood "oddities"with numerous links. an excerpt:
CLG Exclusive: Fort Hood: 'This story stinks to high heaven.' SFC, who spent ten years at Fort Hood, comments on Ft. Hood events 09 Nov 2009 I spent 10 years at Ft Hood. There is no way this 'official' story is legitimate. No way would a room full of combat vets allow this one shooter to get off over 100 rounds! And, it is not normal for the outside security guards to be there. They are at the MP station, and at the main gates. This means the room full of soldiers processing must have been pinned down; multiple shooters is the only plausible scenario. this sounds like MAJ Hasan has been used, and perhaps is a patsy. --SFC Donald Buswell (Retired)

And now the suspect is linked to September 11 terrorists. of course! November 8th, 2009





Via: Telegraph:


Major Nidal Malik Hasan worshipped at a mosque led by a radical imam said to be a "spiritual adviser"Â to three of the hijackers who attacked America on Sept 11, 2001.


Hasan, the sole suspect in the massacre of 13 fellow US soldiers in Texas, attended the controversial Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia, in 2001 at the same time as two of the September 11 terrorists, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt. His mother's funeral was held there in May that year.


The preacher at the time was Anwar al-Awlaki, an American-born Yemeni scholar who was banned from addressing a meeting in London by video link in August because he is accused of supporting attacks on British troops and backing terrorist organisations.

U.S.Army told of Hasan's contact with al Qaeda ... yet they did nothing. riiiiiiight ...

Hasan known to U.S. Intelligence community, yet Congressional requests for information refused.

on a "terror" related note, Is the Taliban still working for the CIA?
As President Obama ponders whether to send more troops to Afghanistan, there is mounting evidence the Taliban is supported by the CIA. If correct, the Afghan war is a charade with a hidden agenda.


First, we have many reports that unmarked helicopters are ferrying the Taliban to targets, and relieving them when cornered.


"Just when the police and army managed to surround the Taliban in a village of Qala-e-Zaal district, we saw helicopters land with support teams,"Â an Afghan soldier said. "They managed to rescue their friends from our encirclement, and even to inflict defeat on the Afghan National Army."Â


This story, in one form or another, is being repeated throughout northern Afghanistan.
things certainly do smell funny, don't you think? "our" government wouldn't lie to us, would they?
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If there were multiple shooters then why have none of the hundreds of witnesses or victims spoke out about that. Sometimes it is what it is, no psy ops, false flag operations, etc etc.... Major Nadal Hasan is a jihadist, a terrorist who acted alone and killed/wounded alot of soldiers and our politically correct goverment and leadership in the Army ignored all the warning signs that this evil man gave out. There doesn't have to be a vast neo-con conspiracy attached to every one of these terrorists acts, if anything the Obama administration, news media and army leadership refuse to mention the words Islamic terrorist and they want all this to go away quickly,but it's not going to.
 

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guest301 said:
If there were multiple shooters then why have none of the hundreds of witnesses or victims spoke out about that. Sometimes it is what it is, no psy ops, false flag operations, etc etc.... Major Nadal Hasan is a jihadist, a terrorist who acted alone and killed/wounded alot of soldiers and our politically correct goverment and leadership in the Army ignored all the warning signs that this evil man gave out. There doesn't have to be a vast neo-con conspiracy attached to every one of these terrorists acts, if anything the Obama administration, news media and army leadership refuse to mention the words Islamic terrorist and they want all this to go away quickly,but it's not going to.


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What seems curious to me is how he could shoot 45 people with a handgun on a military base.Is everyone unarmed at Fort Hood? Maybe I'm ignorant of how things work on military bases, but I would have never believed one man could pull something like this off.
 

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Weapons are usually kept locked up if not in use. Since military reservations are federal lands state C and C licenses don't apply. Other then MP and contract police not too many others are packing heat on military bases.




guest301 said:
If there were multiple shooters then why have none of the hundreds of witnesses or victims spoke out about that. Sometimes it is what it is, no psy ops, false flag operations, etc etc.... Major Nadal Hasan is a jihadist, a terrorist who acted alone and killed/wounded alot of soldiers and our politically correct goverment and leadership in the Army ignored all the warning signs that this evil man gave out. There doesn't have to be a vast neo-con conspiracy attached to every one of these terrorists acts, if anything the Obama administration, news media and army leadership refuse to mention the words Islamic terrorist and they want all this to go away quickly,but it's not going to.

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Usually, there aren't that many regularly armed people at military installations (outside of firing ranges) except MPs and such.
 
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