Forgotten White Athletes?

[mastermulti]

here's the 100m final from the same 1994 European championships as Geir Moen's 200 win above.
With a nice finish Moen places second just 7/100ths behind Linford Christie (who was at this time reigning World and Olympic champion).

With all the advances now, 30 years later, in tracks, training, shoes, medical treatment etc I do believe his 10.07 (+0.6) and 20.17 (1.7) from 1996 at 27 could just about amount to sub10/sub20. He certainly shows high terminal velocity

 

[white lightning]

here's the 100m final from the same 1994 European championships as Geir Moen's 200 win above.
With a nice finish Moen places second just 7/100ths behind Linford Christie (who was at this time reigning World and Olympic champion).

With all the advances now, 30 years later, in tracks, training, shoes, medical treatment etc I do believe his 10.07 (+0.6) and 20.17 (1.7) from 1996 at 27 could just about amount to sub10/sub20. He certainly shows high terminal velocity

I enjoyed watching this video. We all know Linford Christie was another cheater. They cover up for so many sprinters it make me sick. It you also notice that 2 of the 3 medalists were white sprinters. Yet we are told that whites are not athletic and do not make good sprinters!
Yes Geir Moen was a high caliber athlete and I agree he would be a sub 10 and sub 20 guy now a days. The same with Valeriy Borzov
and a few others.

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[mastermulti]

here's a youtube I hadn't seen before today.... "the best of Daphne Schippers" which finishes with 2018 and 2019 when she was struggling to overcome injury but still did very well. To me the European girls look to be a friendlier bunch by and large than the U.S sprinters. Just a generalisation I know there are exceptions on both sides.

I noted her long jump was far from copybook - no lowering of the hips in the penultimate step to rise into the takeoff step, but still she jumps 6.50 metres. And her sheer speed in the 200 together as her struggling in the 800 was an interesting insight into the differences between those trained for speed and power events and those who are endurance athletes. I love the multis

 

[SneakyQuick]

here's a youtube I hadn't seen before today.... "the best of Daphne Schippers" which finishes with 2018 and 2019 when she was struggling to overcome injury but still did very well. To me the European girls look to be a friendlier bunch by and large than the U.S sprinters. Just a generalisation I know there are exceptions on both sides.

I noted her long jump was far from copybook - no lowering of the hips in the penultimate step to rise into the takeoff step, but still she jumps 6.50 metres. And her sheer speed in the 200 together as her struggling in the 800 was an interesting insight into the differences between those trained for speed and power events and those who are endurance athletes. I love the multis

Also she meets the attractiveness criteria so necessary for watching women’s sports of any kind!

 

[mastermulti]

Also she meets the attractiveness criteria so necessary for watching women’s sports of any kind!

I've always scoffed at "men" who responded unkindly with "she's a bloke", feeling threatened by her size, speed and physicality

 

[SneakyQuick]

Well if she were a bit more muscular I have to admit I wouldn’t think she was so good looking but on a relative basis she is quite attractive.

For me, women’s sports are a complete waste of time so unless the competition is attractive there is at best a 5% chance I’d care enough to watch.

 

[sprintstar]

you could see it in her eyes the last few euro races that she was hurting badly and knew it was time...a young Swoboda with a lot less tattoos wins the 60m indoor......

 

[freedom1]

 

[Don Wassall]

American Frank Shorter was the best marathoner in the world for a time, winning the gold medal at the event in Munich in 1972 and then taking silver in Montreal in '76.

Until watching this video I had forgotten about the imposter in Munich who entered the stadium before Shorter, pretending to be the winner.

 

[freedom1]

Came across this. Lots of interesting old videos.

 

[white lightning]

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[mastermulti]

7th August 1995 is the actual 30th anniversary. I hope it lives till then

 

[Booth]

7th August 1995 is the actual 30th anniversary. I hope it lives till then

Mastermulti, I would like your opinion on what kind of times sprinters of the 50s & 60s could run on today's tracks, the different shoes, and electronic timers of today. Would runners like Paul Nash, Bobby Morrow, Armin Hary, Allan Wells, Valeriz Borzov, and the original "White Lighting' Heinz Futterer have broken 10 seconds in the hundred meters? I would love to hear your thoughts on this.

 

[mastermulti]

I know Paul Nash was the S'African record holder but there is not enough about his run or other runs he had under his belt to make a guess. Morrow, Hary, - great runners indeed but only a few years later (hence cinder track and similar footwear etc) we had Bob Hayes take it to another level running 10 in those conditions. Hary though ...mmm, maybe.
Wells was my favourite sprinter of the era - I saw him a few times run here in Australia - but on tracks better than those old cinder ones he didn't better 10.11 - (his 10.02 best was with a +5.2 or something). So maybe close to 10 flat these days but maybe not quite under it.
Borzov I think could judging by his 20.00 200m with hand in air. His 10.07 PB would indicate to me he might get that metre that would take him under 10. I saw European championships with both guys running but more often than not they ran 10.20s or 10.30.
None of these guys competed near as regularly as they do nowadays. And when close to 10 flat a lot of timed chances are often needed to get that magic sub 10 in perfect conditions. These days each of these guys would have way more chances to do it. Also, they all had day time jobs and fitted training in.

 

[sport historian]

Mastermulti, I would like your opinion on what kind of times sprinters of the 50s & 60s could run on today's tracks, the different shoes, and electronic timers of today. Would runners like Paul Nash, Bobby Morrow, Armin Hary, Allan Wells, Valeriz Borzov, and the original "White Lighting' Heinz Futterer have broken 10 seconds in the hundred meters? I would love to hear your thoughts on this.

You forgot David Sime. He happened to be Christian McCaffrey's maternal grandfather.

 

[Booth]

Paul Nash tied the world record 4 times in one week. He had to retire in his prime because of arthritis. Politics kept him from competing in the 1968 Olympics, where he might have beaten Jim Hines.

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[Booth]

You forgot David Sime. He happened to be Christian McCaffrey's maternal grandfather

Thanks for mentioning Dr. Sime. his rivalry with Hary is legendary. I don't know how I could have forgotten him.

 

[white lightning]

I also love Bobby Morrow even though I was too young. He is a double Olympic Gold Medal Winner(100 & 200 Meters) and still the youngest sprinter in the history of the Olympic Games to ever win the 200 Meters Gold Medal.

 

[mastermulti]

(re: Nash) a 100 yards in 9.62 is 10.52 for 100 metres. The times in those days showed much inconsistency and unless achieved in major events and subsequently reassessed by computer I personally don't give them too much credence.
I've always argued against Marian Woronin's supposed 100m in 10.00 20 years after Nash's times. I scoff when reading some comments that he was the first white man to break 10 seconds because I watched everything he did in the 1980s. Quick yes, but inconsistent and with many times around 10.25-10.30. His supposed 10 run was with 2 mps assistance, in his home city in a non major meet

 

[Thousand Okie]

Paul Nash was phenomenal in 1968 but, of course, South Africa was banned from the Olympics. Four times Nash ran a wind-legal 10.0 100 meters on dirt or cinder tracks. 10 flat was the world record at the time. In a meet in Zurich he ran a 10.0 100 and came back and ran a 20.1 200. His coach always swore Nash would have won the 100 at Mexico City.

 

[sport historian]

Thanks for mentioning Dr. Sime. his rivalry with Hary is legendary. I don't know how I could have forgotten him.

David Sime also had a great rivalry with Bobby Morrow. In the 1956 pre-Olympic trials, Sime had a serious injury and missed the 1956 Olympics. Some think Sime would have beaten Morrow had he been there as he had been doing better than Morrow before being injured.

Dr. Sime had bad luck. Along with missing the 1956 games, he barely lost to Hary in the 1960 100 meter race. In the 4 x 100 relay Sime ran the last leg from behind and finished first. But his black team mates messed up the baton change and caused a disqualification for the US relay team.

 

[Thousand Okie]

In 1960 Dave Sime was in medical school and I think he trained no more than two months before the Olympic Trials. He not only made the team, of course, but then nearly won the Gold Medal in a photo finish with Armin Hary. As Sport Historian notes Sime then ran a tremendous final leg for our 4x100 relay team that had him crossing the finish line first only to have the team disqualified for passing out of the zone on the first (?) exchange. Someone will have to look it up but Sime and Morrow raced something like three or four times and Morrow won only once. Both of them were tall sprinters--Sime 6'2 1/2" and Morrow 6'1 1/2"-- with strides that just ate up the track. I think they both would accelerated out of sight on the artificial track surfaces today, definitely 9.9 or better.

 

[white lightning]

How much faster was the Olympics winning time in the 100 Meters from 1924 to 2024? I'm glad you asked and here is your answer.

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/164/791/733/playable/044a5604fb4986b9.mp4

 

[mastermulti]

how can we forget the pleasure this man gave us - the great Ramil Guliyev

comes home like a train. I'd love to know his split time

a great 19.76 ..... had he not celebrated early he would have been even cloer to Mennea's European record of 19.72

here he beats 3rd placegetter Emile Erasmus ... not quite a sub 10 but he did run 9.97 as a PB

 

[JJonahJ]

here's a youtube I hadn't seen before today.... "the best of Daphne Schippers" which finishes with 2018 and 2019 when she was struggling to overcome injury but still did very well. To me the European girls look to be a friendlier bunch by and large than the U.S sprinters. Just a generalisation I know there are exceptions on both sides.

I noted her long jump was far from copybook - no lowering of the hips in the penultimate step to rise into the takeoff step, but still she jumps 6.50 metres. And her sheer speed in the 200 together as her struggling in the 800 was an interesting insight into the differences between those trained for speed and power events and those who are endurance athletes. I love the multis

Those Dutch girls are something else: tall, blonde, statuesque and speedy! I couldn't get enough of Lieke Klaver at the Olympics