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High chararcter guy Brett Favre wants out of Green Bay after they pass on acquring spoiled thug.

Favre vents, requested trade

By Jason Cole, Yahoo! Sports
May 13, 2007

In a fit of anger, Green Bay Packers quarterback Brett Favre requested a trade nearly two weeks ago, a source close to the quarterback confirmed. The trade request was initially reported by FOXsports.com.

In addition, Favre expressed his frustration over the team's failure to acquire former Pro Bowl wide receiver Randy Moss after Favre said he had agreed to restructure his deal to accommodate Moss.

Although the Packers have reportedly told Favre that they have no intention of dealing him, the revelation of the trade request and his public comments about the failed effort to get Moss, could make for an interesting time when the Packers hold a mini-camp next weekend.

Even more, Favre's remarks could put pressure on Packers general manager Ted Thompson, who has been coy over the past two years about his desire to have Favre come back or retire.

Two weeks ago, Thompson talked about the franchise's emphasis on character when targeting players - perceived as an indirect explanation for Green Bay not finalizing a deal for Moss. However, Thompson is the same executive who last season signed wide receiver Koren Robinson after Robinson committed a DUI while under contract with the Minnesota Vikings. It was a relapse of previous drinking problems for Robinson.

As for Favre, who led Green Bay to a Super Bowl title during the 1996 season and guided the Packers to another championship berth a season later, he said his focus is only on one objective.

"I just want to win; maybe I see things the wrong way," Favre told reporters in Mississippi over the weekend. "I don't want to ruffle any feathers and I want people to respect me. Sometimes I think it's hard for them to let Brett go. They might think that we pay him a lot of money, but he still gives us the best chance to win. I've never been told that, but there are times when I wonder if I'm the odd man out here and they just don't know how to tell me."

That statement appears to be a direct reply to claims by Favre and those close to him that Thompson has not been clear what direction he wants to go at quarterback. In 2005, Thompson spent a first-round pick to take quarterback Aaron Rodgers as the heir apparent to Favre.

"I don't know if I've lost faith, and I think everyone in the organization wants to win. I just don't know if it includes me," Favre said. "If it's going to be five years from now, I'm not going to be here. This is 17 years for me and I want to win."

Favre had expected the Packers to complete a deal for Moss. He told the Sun Herald in Biloxi (Miss.): "It was a done deal and the stories of how we lost him because he didn't want to restructure his contract were not true.

"He was going to wipe his contract clean and sign for $3 million guaranteed, plus a fourth-round draft pick. That would have been a steal. But we were not willing to guarantee part of that $3 million. I even had (agent Bus Cook) call up there and tell them I would give up part of my salary to guarantee that part of the money. Apparently that wasn't enough either."

Thompson responded to Favre's comments and questions about the situation through an issued statement on Sunday.

"I think it's natural for a player to be frustrated from time to time - that's simply being human," Thompson wrote. "Everyone knows that Brett Favre is all about winning. As an organization, we share that commitment. And we want to win now."

As for the trade request, Thompson was less direct.

"We never comment on the talks we have with our players or with their agents, in line with the long-standing policy of our organization," Thompson wrote. "We try to encourage open and honest dialogue with players and their agents. But if those talks later are shared with third parties, the willingness of players to be open in future conversations may be compromised."


Jason Cole is a national NFL writer for Yahoo! Sports. Send Jason a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.
 

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If Favre is correct that Moss would have signed with Green Bay for $3 million, thenhe has a valid point. Are the Packers' other receivers solid citizens in every way? Moss is basically the black Jason Williams, a West Virginia country boy with mild gangsta pretensions and attitudes.


Given that Favre wants to win before he retires and he does, and given the strict, iron-cladracial parameters under which the NFL operates, his frustration is completely understandable. I think he can be commended for "speaking out," something which just about everyone in the public arena is now terrified of doing.
 
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After that typical animalistic gesture Moss made to Green Bay fans a few years back,I'd figure they wouldn't welcome him warmly...BUT,I'm forgetting about whom we're talking about-NFL fans-who rank among the most brainwashed simps. If they cheered "Dumpy" Najeh Davenport,I guess they'll cheer ANYTHING.

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He lost me once he started speaking in the third person about himself: "Sometimes I think it's hard for them to let Brett go. They might think that we pay him a lot of money, but he still gives us the best chance to win."

I wonder how well it would have worked out for Favre the first time Moss decided to take a play off? Maybe it wouldn't have bothered him so much though, considering how he felt about giving away the all-time sack record to what's-his-name.

Maybe Favre thinks that having Moss on the team wouldn't be so bad, after having to put up with perverts like Mark Chmura? Or guys like Bill Schroeder, who have the audacity to drop a pass once in awhile, unlike Moss and other black superstars like Terrell Owens?

Maybe they should trade Favre to Atlanta, where he can compete with Joey Harrington to play backup for Mike Vick. I mean, if he just wants to win, who has a better chance of going to the Super Bowl than the Atlanta Falcons, with The Man Himself, Mike Vick leading the team? Edited by: White Shogun
 

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I've commented before on how much I despise Brett Favre. I lost all respect for him when he laid down on the field against the Giants and gave the single season sack record to Michael Strahan. That kind of thing was unheard of before or since, and was inexcusable behavior for a supposedly competitive athlete. Favre is one of the very, very few white athletes who is universally admired by the jock-sniffers in the media. As much as John Madden lusts after seemingly every black athlete, the love of his life is Brett Favre. Unlike some others on this site, I feel no obligation to support every white athlete, just because they are white. Favre is as ignorant as many of the inarticulate black players in the league. He obviously has no loyalty to his white teammates. Mark Chmura was supposedly his best friend on the Packers at the time he was charged with having sex with an underage girl. Favre never spoke up publicly in support of Chmura (like so many black players are wont to do when fellow blacks are in trouble) and, like the entire Packer organization, turned his back on Chumra for good, even after he was acquitted. Favre also was harder on Bill Schroeder than any other WR he ever worked with. Favre understands the stupid, violent ghetto culture; his sister was a passenger in a car that fired shots in a drive-by shooting years ago. It's really no surprise that he would long to have an over-the-hill troublemaker like Randy Moss on his team. Favre has worked with his share of outspoken, problematic black teammates over the years (Andre Rison, Najeh Davenpoop, Donald Driver are a few that spring immediately to mind), yet Schroeder was the one guy he really lit into on the playing field. What was it about Schroeder that upset him so much? In my opinion, Favre fits in perfectly with the Caste-run NFL. He is a stupid, overpaid whiner who feels his team needs to cater to his desires. In that respect, he is no different than the vast majority of black NFL players.
 

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I also find Brett Favre's unwillingness to mentor Aaron Rodgers to be deplorable. When asked about doing this, he said "its not my job" Favre is a selfish a-hole
 

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Don Wassall said:
If Favre is correct that Moss would have signed with Green Bay for $3 million, then he has a valid point.  Are the Packers' other receivers solid citizens in every way?  Moss is basically the black Jason Williams, a West Virginia country boy with mild gangsta pretensions and attitudes.


Given that Favre wants to win before he retires and he does, and given the strict, iron-clad racial parameters under which the NFL operates, his frustration is completely understandable.  I think he can be commended for "speaking out," something which just about everyone in the public arena is now terrified of doing.

Ditto.
 
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Bigunreal and Lance Alworth are both correct. Favre is no role model for white athletes,actually he's treaded into traitor territory as far as I can see. And his treatment of Rodgers is perfect example
 

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Kudos to Kevin Roberts article on the home page of Caste Football.
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. While the Strahan incident bothered me that others have mentioned in posts above it doesn't change the fact that Favre has been one of my favorite football players to watch in the last decade and I want him to go out on top. Many black athletes are larger than life figures these days and there are few white athletes that are put in that category. Favre is one of them and that in my mind cancels every other concern about him out.Edited by: guest301
 

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Blue Eyed Devil said:
Favre is no role model for white athletes,actually he's treaded into traitor territory.


Traitor? That's a ridiculous statement. Which country did he sell secrets to? And if he's a "race traitor" then I guess that means all the other white athletes aren't, so they must be outspoken white nationalists then.
 

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You can't really be a traitor if you don't know what or who you are betraying. Even with Favre's 16 years in the NFL, I doubt he is nearly as aware of the caste system as we are here at Caste Football. Sometimes when you are in the middle of it all, you can't see the forest for all the trees. Before I discovered this site I was for the most part buying into the myth of black athletic supremacy in any sport that mattered. Was I a traitor for thinking that? I didn't want to think that and that's how I ended up here.
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I really think that we too often blindly support any white athlete, just because he's white. I'm sorry, but I need more than that in order to cheer for someone. I'm certainly sympathetic to the countless nunber of white athletes who have been (and still are being) discriminated against by coaches, fans and the media. However, the few white "stars" in the NFL really aren't sympathetic figures. What has Favre had to go through? He won a starting job in Green Bay early on, has never had to deal with competition for his job, has won a Super Bowl, and is universally respected by even the most odious, anti-white jock-sniffers in the media and in the stands. I don't buy that Favre isn't aware of the Caste System. On the contrary, his every move has been in support of it (and he has certainly been one of the few whites to prosper within it). Laying down on the field so that an opponent could set a record was disgraceful behavior, even laying aside the fact the man he allowed to break the record was black, and the previous record-holder was white. Even if Favre had never done anything else to personally turn me off, that incident alone made me lose all respect for him. He should have been banned from the game for that, imho. I mentioned his antipathy for Bill Schroeder; do you think Favre was unable to perceive that Schroeder was just about the only white target he has ever thrown to in Green Bay? Chmura was supposedly his best friend on the team; Favre turned his back on him and never supported him, even when he was aquitted. Favre is just as selfish as any black player; like Donovan McNabb, he thinks the team needs to consder his wants first and foremost. I don't buy that Favre has not been given weapons on offense. Sterling Sharpe was a first-class receiver. The Packers spent high draft picks consistently on WRs over the years. Robert Brooks. Robert Ferguson. Javon Walker (who Favre drove out of town by becoming the first player in history, to my knowledge, to pubicly take management's side against a teammate in a contract dispute), Greg Jennings. There are others, but I think it's ridiculous to suggest that the Packers haven't tried to address the receiver position during Favre's tenure there. The fact that guys like Ferguson haven't worked out is no reflection on the intent of the organization to give Favre weapons. Compare this to what the Texans did for David Carr, who never whined and complained like Favre does.
We need to remember that just because the Caste System treats so many white players unfairly, and so many black players are thoroughly obnoxious and objectionable, that doesn't mean that the handful of whites who succeed in the league are noble and virtuous.
 

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I don't associate the adjective "whiner" with someone who has set a record for durability and toughnessevery bitas impressive as Cal Ripken's mark in baseball. Favre is most likely also going to break Dan Marino's marks and go down as the most prolific passer in NFL history. He is a remarkable athlete to say the least.


As a person I thinkFavre isstraightforward and likeable. He's dealt stoically with his share of personal and family problems. Yes, the Strahan record was inexcusable, a reprehensible display of the combination of racial pandering and pro wrestling that the NFL often seems to embody in the Caste System era. And yes Favre followed the white herd for the most part as far as some of the things that happened to Bill Schroeder in Green Bay. He has his faults and I don't look to him for political or racial leadership, as I know it would be career suicide for any prominent white athlete at this point in time to speak out even if he privately agreed with us.


We have debated Favre before and undoubtedly will again. We shouldn't glorify and cover up anyone's warts just because they're white. But neither should they be demonized as "traitors" or otherwise subjected to over-the-top insults because they might have a different perspective on racial matters than we do.Edited by: Don Wassall
 

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You can't really be a traitor if you don't know what or who you are betraying. Even with Favre's 16 years in the NFL, I doubt he is nearly as aware of the caste system as we are here at Caste Football. Sometimes when you are in the middle of it all, you can't see the forest for all the trees. Before I discovered this site I was for the most part buying into the myth of black athletic supremacy in any sport that mattered. Was I a traitor for thinking that? I didn't want to think that and that's how I ended up here. That pathetic myth always pissed me off(No I'm not a skinhead), I always found that people that believed that were weak mentally and physically and assumed that because they were physically useless that all people of their ethnic/racial group were.....
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Don,

I'm not used to disagreeing with you. I have great respect for your views and love this wonderful web site. If you ever run for political office, you have my vote. All that being said, we just have to agree to disagree here.
 

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i actually got to side with Don here, and no, i don't care much for Favre but i do respect him as a player. it is normal that he wants to win, go out swinging and i am not surprised he wanted Moss, who despite his problems still is a dangerous deep threat.
 
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I don't understand the exemption that Favre has earned. If he were anybody else the folks here would identify him as a "caste zealot". He behaves a lot like coaches and retired players that have been called "caste zealots". In the last few years especially, he has started to give off a vibe that only black guys should be playing football. He says a lot of dumb things now. He said the nearly all black team the Packers have now is the best team he's ever had. Really? Better than the whiter team that won a superbowl?

I'll don't think I'll ever understand "the Brett Favre thing". The people who think the NFL should be 100% black also make an exemption for him. They hold off on the nearly required bashing of white players when Favre is out there.
 
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Brett didn't say to the media:

"While we had a pretty good team win the super bowl, I have to attribute our success at the time to heart and intangibles. We had more white guys, so we had to win in other ways versus pure talent and speed. Now that we have more blacks, we just have to get the whole 'smarts' and 'heart' thing down and we'll win at all. Overall though, we sure are more talented!"

Unless Favre starts actually saying things like above, I don't think you can put words in his mouth. If he has in fact stereotyped blacks, whites, or whomever, then I could entertain the possibility that his views are as such.
 

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If you're going to defend Favre by saying that he isn't actually anti-white because he didn't say something more blatantly than even Al Sharpton would, then you don't have much of an argument. I agree that Favre has put up spectacular numbers. I agree that he is one of the toughest modern-day football players. That being said, in all other respects, I find him to be a disgusting character.
 
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Favre lost me with his piss poor treatment of Rodgers, when he refused to mentor him. He's still a better than average QB thats better than all but a handful, but I'm not a personal fan of his. His hanging around is looking more and more selfish to me, and less and less like a good thing for Green Bay.
 

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How can his hanging around be construed as selfish? Does Green Bay have a better option at QB. Rogers hasn't exactly impressed anybody up there yet although the jury is still out on him. He's still got a cannon arm, most of his mobility and alot of the intangibiles that suggest he can still do something special before he retires. I do think he could have treated Rogers better but I have a feeling that McNabb is not exactly going to take Kevin Kolb under his wings this year.
 

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Rodgers isn't good enough to start, but they'll let guys like Tarvarius Jackson run an NFL offense.
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