Drew Neitzel will have a big year

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Neitzel gets the green light to shoot

Dave Dye / The Detroit News

EAST LANSING -- If you watched Drew Neitzel in high school, you
probably didn't recognize him the last two years at Michigan State.

Neitzel was a scoring machine at Wyoming Park High, but he made a
transformation with the Spartans to distribute the ball to Paul Davis,
Maurice Ager and Shannon Brown.

Davis, Ager and Brown are gone, and Neitzel is ready to bring back
memories of the high-school prom.

"I've been scoring from the point-guard position my whole life," Neitzel
said Tuesday at media day. "I like scoring off the dribble. I consider
myself a scorer.

"I think a lot of people forgot about that my first two years here, that I am
a scorer. They see me as just a set-up guy, make the pass. But I've been
working on my shooting hour after hour since I've been a little kid. I
haven't lost that yet."

Neitzel averaged 3.4 shots as a freshman and 7.1 as a sophomore. He's
shooting 39.9 percent in his career.

Some of his shooting confidence clearly was lost at times during his first
two seasons, partly because he didn't know if he really should be taking
the shot.

Now he knows -- shoot it.

"This year, I think I've got the green light pretty much from coach (Tom)
Izzo," Neitzel said. "I'm going to be able to let them fly. That will be good
for my confidence, kind of get that high-school swagger back a little bit.

"I have to find my old self again. I don't think that will be hard to do. In
open gyms, I've been playing very aggressive offensively, almost looking
to score every chance I have. If that's not open, then hit the open guy. I
think that's what kind of mentality I'm going to have to have."

He acknowledged he likes knowing it's sort of his team now.

"Yeah, I can't lie about it," Neitzel said. "Every athlete wants to be in
control of the team."

Scott Skiles certainly was in control of the Spartans when he averaged
27.4 points and 19.3 shots during his senior season in 1985-86.

Izzo doesn't necessarily expect those numbers, but he thinks Neitzel
could become one of the top scoring guards to play at MSU.

"It's kind of his turn," Izzo said. "I have not put the pressure on him to
have a Scott Skiles year, but I'm more to that way of thinking."

Having lost 77.6 percent of their scoring from last year, the Spartans
desperately need Neitzel to take over. He did it in high school, averaging
33 points as a senior, but whether the 6-foot junior can handle such a
burden in college remains to be seen.

"I think he's ready to do that," teammate Drew Naymick said of Neitzel's
increased offensive responsibilities. "In the past, he held back, thinking
his role was maybe to defer to the other guys."

There's one problem: With fewer proven scoring options around him,
more of the defensive focus will be placed on Neitzel.

"I'm going to have to bring it every night," he said. "I can't really afford to
have that many off nights this season for us to have a chance to win.
There is a lot of pressure on me to score."

The pressure might be on him, but not on Michigan State, a program that
is typically picked to win the Big Ten and possibly reach the Final Four.

Expectations are considerably lower for the Spartans, who open Nov. 8
against Brown. A streak of nine NCAA Tournament appearances could be
on the line.

Neitzel said he and his teammates will be taking an "us-against-the-
world attitude into every game."

"Even in some of the nonconference games, people are going to doubt
us," he said.
 
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EAST LANSING, Mich. (AP)  Tom Izzo wore a black-and-green sweat suit
to Michigan State basketball media day for a reason Tuesday.

"I came to work," Izzo said of his 12th year as the Spartans' leader and
one of his toughest coaching challenges. "That's why I didn't wear a sport
coat and tie. I'm ready for a working man's year."

His players should be ready for that, too, after a disappointing 22-12
season, including an 8-8 tie for sixth place in the Big Ten and a first-
round loss to George Mason in the NCAA tournament.

With Michigan State's recent recognition as one of the top seven men's
programs of all-time and rankings as high as No. 1 in some 2005
preseason polls, a ninth-straight NCAA appearance last March wasn't
nearly enough.

This time, a 20-win season and a 10th-straight NCAA bid  more than
any school except Arizona, Kansas, Kentucky or Duke  would be notable
achievements after the departures of NBA first-round draft picks Shannon
Brown and Maurice Ager and second-round selection Paul Davis.

"We're coming off a season when we might have had four pros on the
floor at the same time," Izzo said, including likely NFL draft pick Matt
Trannon, whose basketball future is unknown. "You're not going to see
that talent very often. But I think you'll like what you see from this team."

Fans will see a lot of junior guard Drew Neitzel, a prolific scorer in high
school who passed up points and passed the ball to Davis, Ager and
Brown. Neitzel led the Big Ten in assist-to-turnover ratio and could lead
the league in scoring if he takes close to 20 shots a game.

"I see him taking a huge step," Izzo said. "Over our last 10 games I think
the kid averaged about 37 minutes. I'm not sure I've ever played anyone
that much. But Drew Neitzel is the consummate team guy. He understood
the way it was. Now, I think he could have a big, big year."

Neitzel thinks the same thing and knows the last two Spartans point
guards to lead the league in scoring, Scott Skiles in 1986 and Marcus
Taylor in 2002, made quantum leaps when they were the No. 1 option.

"I think I could do that, I really do," Neitzel said without sounding cocky.
"I know Skiles was an unbelievable player here (a national player of the
year) and an unbelievable scorer. But I think I can do that. It's just a
matter of getting enough shots and enough help."

Ready or not, that assistance will have to come from his fellow co-
captain, sophomore guard Travis Walton; from mix-and-match frontcourt
question marks Drew Naymick, Goran Suton, Marquise Gray and Idong
Ibok; and from freshmen Raymar Morgan, Isaiah Dahlman and Tom
HerNWO on a team with no seniors and just 10 scholarship recruits.

"People say their fans are the school's sixth man, but I hope ours are our
fourth or fifth man," Izzo said after defending his roster decisions and
forecasting another era of Final Four appearances in the near future.
After three straight trips to the national semifinals from 1999 to 2001 â€â€
including an NCAA title in 2000  and a surprising return to the Final
Four in 2005, his words might mean almost as much as his choice of
wardrobe.
 
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Neitzel game-winner vs. Texas last night.

Media darling Kevin Durant -- greatest freshman ever -- looked more
like a jacker than an NBA all-star.
 

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i really like Neitzel. he hasn't been given nearly enough credit by the pundits, but all he cares about is winning. he didn't whine and complain about not getting many shots the last couple of years, he just kept playing and now it's his turn to shine. good luck Drew!
 
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Had a career-high 26 against Vermont.
 
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From CBS Sportsline:

One after another, Tom Izzo rattled off the names of some of the great
scorers he has been around, from Steve Smith to Mo Ager, from Shawn
Respert to Morris Peterson. The Michigan State coach spoke for a good
three minutes, then explained what they all had in common and what
makes them different from current Spartans standout Drew Neitzel.

"Our leading scorers have never guarded anybody," Izzo said. "It was un-
American for them to guard people. But this poor kid, he has to do both."

Do both.

Do it all.

Truth is, it's difficult to distinguish where Neitzel's responsibilities begin
and end these days. He has transformed from a complementary point
guard to a go-win-the-game combo guard in the matter of a year, and
the 6-0 junior is the main reason -- perhaps the only reason besides Izzo
himself -- Michigan State is off to a 12-2 start despite a roster that
lacked overall talent when the season began and is way worse now thanks
to injuries.

"It has been an adjustment," Neitzel acknowledged. "But as a player you
like the responsibility, and this is why you play."

Wisconsin's Alando Tucker is fabulous. Ohio State's Greg Oden is
incredible. But even in a league that could separately produce the national
Player of the Year (Tucker) and top pick in the NBA Draft (Oden), it's
possible no Big Ten player means more to the success of his team than
Neitzel means to Michigan State.

Think about it.

Without Tucker, Wisconsin wouldn't be a Final Four contender. That's
clear. But the Badgers would still have Kammron Taylor, Brian Butch and
Bo Ryan's track record of winning. So they'd be OK. As for Ohio State,
well, we've already seen what the Buckeyes would be without Oden.
They'd be a team capable of pushing North Carolina on its home court,
just a 3-point shooting collection of talent led by Daequan Cook, Ron
Lewis and Mike Conley Jr. So they'd be OK, too.

But Michigan State?

The Spartans would not be OK without Neitzel.

"I'd probably be looking for a job," Izzo joked. "Even with Final Fours,
you're probably looking for a job if you're 1-50. He really has done a lot
for us."

How much?

Consider that heading into Saturday's game against Loyola of Maryland,
Neitzel is averaging 18.9 points, 4.4 assists and 3.2 rebounds compared
to 8.3 points, 5.6 assists and 2.0 rebounds last season. That's an
impressive improvement without explanation, but those statistics, good
as they are, don't begin to exhibit the influence Neitzel's had because he
has actually improved recently after the injuries of Raymar Morgan and
Maurice Joseph.


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Morgan went down five games ago (with a bad shin).


Two games after that, Joseph followed suit (with a bad foot).


That's 20.0 points and 7.8 rebounds in street clothes, and it's the reason
DeMarcus Ducre, a 5-10 walk-on, is averaging 13.7 minutes the past
three contests. Nothing against Ducre, who seems like a nice enough guy.
But when a 5-10 walk-on is playing 13.7 minutes per game at a school
that has gone to four Final Fours in the past eight seasons, something
has gone terribly wrong.

Blame it on Shannon Brown turning pro early.

Blame it on the injuries to Morgan and Joseph.

Blame it on Michigan State's classes becoming unbalanced.

Blame it on whatever you like. It doesn't really matter at this point. The
bottom line is that Izzo got caught, and without Neitzel -- who is
averaging 24.0 points and 4.3 assists the past four games -- Michigan
State would be enduring a season where an NIT would be a reasonable
goal. Instead, the Spartans -- who have wins over Texas, Bradley and BYU
(the only losses are to Maryland and Boston College) -- have a legitimate
shot to make their 10th consecutive NCAA Tournament, and if it happens,
the people who vote for Big Ten Player of the Year will have a three-man
race on their hands.

Option A: The possible national Player of the Year.
Option B: The likely top pick of the NBA Draft.
Option C: The person Izzo believes is saving his job.

Crazy as it sounds with Tucker and Oden lurking, the right choice might
ultimately be Option C.

"That is a goal for every player," Neitzel said. "If I play up to my potential,
I don't see why not."
 

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Hopefully he can beat out Wisconsin's Alonzo Tucker for Big 10 player of the year. It will be a good battle.
 
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Thad Matta said Neitzel's second half vs. Ohio State was the best he's ever
witnessed in his coaching career.
 

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GreatLakeState said:
Thad Matta said Neitzel's second half vs. Ohio State was the best he's ever
witnessed in his coaching career.

The guy put Mich St on his back and literally almost carreid them to victory over Ohio St. The announcers were gushing over Neitzel. Drew is really starting to look like a bona fide prospect(not that he hasn't been already).
 

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Why is Michigan St.'s basketball team so white? I'm happy and all, but for a school that has very few whites in football and has enjoyed so much success in basketball, doesn't Izzo know you need to recruit some black players who are on some stupid list saying they are a top 100 player?!

Neitzel is a hell of a a player, and I was disappointed they couldn't get over the hump and win that game. They'll be dangerous later in the year.
 

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man, just think if he'd hit that 3 with about 6 seconds or so left... *daydreams*

he played GREAT basketball. it's just a shame he didn't get more help. Suton is much improved over last year, as is Naymick (spelling?). they are just a couple more examples of white people physically maturing later in life than their black counterparts.

Suton sucked last year, but now he is a solid contributor. ditto for Naymick.

MSU isn't that white, it's just that they aren't coal black. in today's American sports ideology, that kind of stands out.
 
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Suton and Naymick are wastes of scholarships. The real joke is, Suton
and Al Horford are both from Lansing ... and look who MSU ended up
with? Suton was a non-factor against Ohio State for the final 35 minutes.
Naymick was a top 100 recruit who has contributed virtually nothing over
his career.
 
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January 30, 2007
BY MICHAEL ROSENBERG
FREE PRESS COLUMNIST
EAST LANSING -- If he didn't shave his head, Drew Neitzel probably
wouldn't need a razor. He says he looks 20-21. Michigan State coach
Tom Izzo says Neitzel looks the same age as his son.
Steven Izzo is 6.

To be fair, Neitzel looks like he is in high school. Ohio State star Greg
Oden looks like he should be dropping his kids off at college.

And when their teams faced each other Saturday night, Neitzel scored 24
second-half points -- one more than the entire Ohio State team -- and
Michigan State nearly came all the way back from a 20-point halftime
deficit.

How good has Neitzel been?

Michigan State is 17-5. Without Neitzel, Izzo said they would be 5-17.
Izzo was kidding -- I think.

But without Neitzel, Michigan State would be just another team hoping to
make the tournament -- the National Invitation Tournament.

Izzo would rather dye his hair maize and blue than coach a one-man
show, but he has no choice: This is a transition year for the Spartans, and
Neitzel is the one who has saved it.

Neitzel might be the most valuable athlete in the state. Think about it:
Without Chauncey Billups, the Pistons are probably still a playoff team. If
you took Roy Williams away from the Lions -- which would be the nicest
thing you could do for him -- the Lions would stink a little more, but so
what?

Without Nicklas Lidstrom, the Red Wings would still be second in their
division. And as great as Carlos Guillen played for the Tigers last year,
one player can only do so much in baseball. You can argue for Mike Hart
or Chad Henne at Michigan.

But at MSU, Neitzel is not just the straw that stirs the drink -- he is the
drink.

Take Neitzel out of the Michigan State offense, and the Spartans might as
well dribble to half-court and punt.

Earlier this season, when the Spartans were ravaged by injuries, Neitzel
kept them alive. He hit the winning shot against Texas. He scored 21
points in the second half against Chicago State, which doesn't sound so
impressive but MSU trailed in that game with less than 10 minutes left.

When the Spartans were tied with Belmont in the second half, Neitzel
scored 11 straight MSU points.

After Ohio State escaped Saturday night, coach Thad Matta said, "Drew
Neitzel tonight was the best player in college basketball." When Purdue
coach Matt Painter was asked if MSU's comeback gave him confidence as
his team prepares to face Ohio State, Painter said, "If Tom will let me
borrow Drew Neitzel, I would feel a lot better about it."

Isn't that strange? All through high school in Wyoming Park near Grand
Rapids, Neitzel heard he wasn't good enough to play in the Big Ten. Now
every coach in the league would cut a year off their contracts to have him.

Of course, they don't know how hard it is to coach him. Sometimes, the
guy just refuses to do what Izzo asks -- like during a scrimmage, when
Izzo tells him he is coming off the court for a breather. "No, I'm not,"
Neitzel snaps.

Who can blame him? Just three years ago, people wondered if he
belonged at the Breslin Center at all -- as a high school player.

Neitzel led Wyoming Park to a Class B semifinal against Detroit
Renaissance, one of the most anticipated games in recent state history.
Renaissance had big-time recruits Joe Crawford and Malik Hairston. It was
sold out -- people drove to East Lansing from Detroit and couldn't get in.

Neitzel already had been crowned Mr. Basketball, and there were
suspicions, especially in Detroit, that he was nothing more than the White
Mr. Basketball -- a so-so athlete who put up big numbers against
suburban competition.

The game was played during a "dead period" for recruiting, so Izzo
couldn't watch, even though it was in his own gym. So Izzo sat on the
couch in his office attached to the Breslin Center and watched on his big-
screen TV.

Izzo's office has floor-to-ceiling windows. A lot of those people who
couldn't get into the game were standing on the sidewalk when they saw
Izzo watching on TV.

Not surprisingly, Izzo waved for them to step up to the glass. Pretty soon,
Izzo said there were hundreds watching on the coach's TV.

Neitzel scored 36 points that day.

Some players are worth the price of admission. Drew Neitzel is worth
watching on TV through a window.
 

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GREAT article on Neitzel! good find, GLS.

however, you are dead wrong about Suton and Naymick.

Suton is averaging nearly 10 points and 7 boards this year. he's hitting over 70% of his free throws and just a hair under 50% from the floor. Coach Izzo says he has the potential to have the best post moves of any player he's coached. (he specifically compared him to Portland Trailblazer Zach Randolph when he made the statement.) i don't know about that, but he's certainly not a wasted scholarship. he's no stud, but he has some talent. and he's still just a sophomore.

Naymick is a solid role player. that's it; nothing more, nothing less. he's tough, and he plays hard. there are hundreds of black players across the country who are just like him: they score mainly on putbacks and the occasional dunk, play defense, and use their fouls. so why single him out for lampooning? he's certainly not a star, but he's no turd either.

one MSU player we haven't said much about is true freshman wing, Isaiah Dahlman. he's had a few bright moments this year, but he's hit the wall lately it appears.
 
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I've seen every game MSU has played -- Suton is a soft Euro and Naymick
is a stiff. Suton is the role player, I wouldn't even disrespect role players
by calling Naymick that. He's just no good.

Izzo has been mocked by MSU fans for that comparison, it was just
pump-up talk. And, you've conveniently inflated G's stats -- "nearly" 10
points -- all of 9.6 -- and "nearly" 7 rebounds -- all of 6.6. "Great" post
players don't shoot 48 percent -- nor do they wuss out and spend most
of their time away from the block. Which is why the free throw stat is
particularly weak -- He Hasn't Attempted One In The Last Three Games!!

The really sad thing is, Suton and Naymick are both red-shirts, so they
wasting 10 years total of scholarship.

Why did Suton's coach from Lansing Everett show up at MSU's practice
last week? To praise his former protege? Or tell him to stop playing like a
baby?
 
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Here's an interesting tidbit abouit the next Zach Randolph -- in seven Big
Ten games, he hasn't attempted a free throw in five of them!
 

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Got to go with GLS on this one. Suton only sticks out because he so obviously sucks. Might be solid NAIA player but he'd have to prove it to me.
 
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Last night Goran had the kind of point-to-turnover ration coaches' covet:
7-to-6. He has no confidence. He did go to the free throw line in what for
him was a whopping three times ... and made one.

Naymick's role against Illinois was apparently to foul out in 15 minutes.
 
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Neitzel -- 28 points, hit huge shots down the strech, and MSU beats No.
1 Wisconsin.
 

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first of all, you guys seem to think i'm the president of the Suton/Naymick fan club. not the case. but they certainly don't suck. they're solid role players... as demonstrated in the above mentioned game.

while the phenomenal Neitzel carried the load and did his superstar thing, Naymick (who started) added 8 boards, 2 blocks, 2 assists, and 2 points. Suton had 5 boards and 4 points.

certainly not stellar numbers, but not shabby for a "stiff"... "who so obviously sucks" and a "soft Euro".
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Again -- compared to the recent vintage of MSU posts -- they suck.
Goran is mentally weak. This team is all Little Drew.
 

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no doubt that this teams begins and ends with Drew. but it seems like you thin every player is supposed to be an All Star. sadly, it doesn't work like that.
 

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I thought Goran and Naymick played decently last night to be honest with you, Goran showed a some heart and Naymick could be seen bangin' down low with the bigs... I don't know, maybe I'm just being biased...
 

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Does anybody know where Drew is ranked on the draft boards. I hope he's not treated like Gerry Mcnamara was in last year's draft. If anything, Drew is quicker than Gerry.
 

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nbadraft.net has him as an early 2nd rder next year and draftexpress.com has him not drafted at all.
 
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