Ground Fighter
Mentor
Lance Alworth said:
Lance, you're from Albania, right?
Diversity-Israel style!
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Lance, you're from Albania, right?
Lance Alworth
Mentor
Ground Fighter said:
I was born here, but my family is from there
Rocky Marciano
Newbie
If I understand history correctly, what is ironic is that Jews fought hard in
support of the Civil Rights Act
of the 1960's, which was designed to prevent the majority population of
Christians from barring Jews or any other religious minority from
generally anything that a Christian person might have access too, while at
the same time Jews fought hard to bar other religious minorities or
those
deemed as "non-Jews" from access to the very same things in Israel. In
other words, they were exceedingly hypocritical and what was most
offensive
about their behavior was their incessant claim of moral superiority, when
they were entirely self-serving. They were just out for themselves; they
didn't care about anyone else, but they demanded that you care about
them.
The animal that best represents this type of character is:
Blacks mimicked this behavior.
Edited by: Rocky Marciano
support of the Civil Rights Act
of the 1960's, which was designed to prevent the majority population of
Christians from barring Jews or any other religious minority from
generally anything that a Christian person might have access too, while at
the same time Jews fought hard to bar other religious minorities or
those
deemed as "non-Jews" from access to the very same things in Israel. In
other words, they were exceedingly hypocritical and what was most
offensive
about their behavior was their incessant claim of moral superiority, when
they were entirely self-serving. They were just out for themselves; they
didn't care about anyone else, but they demanded that you care about
them.
The animal that best represents this type of character is:
Blacks mimicked this behavior.
Edited by: Rocky Marciano
Israelis shocked as first neo-Nazi cell arrested
Monday, September 10, 2007
By Eric Silver in Jerusalem
Six decades after Israel was founded to ensure that Jews would never suffer another Holocaust, the Jewish state has smashed its first cell of neo-Nazis.
The idea was so unthinkable that the country has no law against neo-Nazi activity.
Eight Russian immigrants, aged 16 to 21, were remanded in custody in the Ramleh magistrates' court, near Tel-Aviv, yesterday. They covered their faces with their shirts, baring arms tattooed with neo-Nazi insignia and slogans, and protested their innocence. A ninth suspect has fled the country. They are to be charged tomorrow with causing bodily harm, illegally possessing weapons and denying the Holocaust.
Superintendent Revital Almog, who headed the investigation, said: "The level of violence was outrageous."
One of the young men was Jewish. The rest were admitted under Israeli legislation, which grants citizenship to anyone with at least one Jewish grandparent and entry permits to the families of gentiles married to Jews. About one million immigrants, many with tenuous ties to Judaism, moved to Israel in the early 1990s after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
The cell's alleged leader was named as Eli Buanitov. Detectives said they found an email message on his computer saying: "I won't have kids. My grandfather is half Yid, so that this piece of trash won't have ancestors with even the smallest percent of Jewish blood." In another file, he was quoted as writing: "I will never give up. I was a Nazi and will remain a Nazi. I won't rest until we kill them all."
Undercover police began tracking the cell after two synagogues in the Tel-Aviv satellite town of Petah Tikva were desecrated and yeshiva students were beaten. Internal and external walls were spray-painted with swastikas, as well as "Heil Hitler" and "Death to the Jews" graffiti.
The religious community in the town has complained of a reign of terror. "There are people here who simply hate Jews," said Nahum Taub, a synagogue sexton. Rabbi Yigal Rosen, who heads a yeshiva, reported that three of his students were ambushed as they walked through a local park. The assailants beat them, called them names and held a knife to the neck of one student before stealing their mobile phones.
Inspector Micky Rosenfeld, a police spokesman, said the suspects had filmed themselves beating 15 ultra-Orthodox Jews, foreign workers, homosexuals, homeless people, drunks and drug addicts. In one particularly brutal assault, the whole group set about a Thai worker in the old Tel-Aviv bus station. He had to be treated in hospital.
Detectives who raided their homes found the films and a photograph of one of the group brandishing an M-16 assault rifle. They also confiscated knives, an improvised pistol, TNT, wires and detonators.
Some of the footage was shown at yesterday's cabinet meeting. Ehud Olmert, the Prime Minister, said: "We saw the appalling documentation of violence for its own sake. We as a society have failed in educating these youths and distancing them from crazy and dangerous ideologies."
Inspector Rosenfeld said the eight had neo-Nazi tattoos on their arms. They would meet every few days and decide who and where to attack next. Searches of their computers and video cassettes revealed links to racist groups in Germany and the United States.
The case has shocked Israelis and prompted calls for the government to reconsider its immigration policy and to outlaw neo-Nazi and other hate crimes.
Efraim Zuroff, who is still hunting Nazi war criminals for the Simon Weisenthal Centre, said: "The writing was on the wall. This is what happens when you have laws that allow immediate citizenship to people with little connection to Jewish history, the Jewish people, the Jewish religion and Jewish culture."
Avner Shalev, the chairman of the Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial authority, said: "Neo-Nazi activity, wherever it appears, must be treated with the utmost seriousness and the perpetrators prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
"While this is a marginal and extreme case, it is nevertheless intolerable. It must be combated and addressed in the legal and educational systems."
Colette Avital, a Labour MP, leads a group of about 20 legislators from all parties who have been pressing for a ban on neo-Nazi symbols and neo-Nazi activities. She was confident that their private members' bill would now pass.
Ms Avital, who was a child fugitive in German-occupied Romania, urged the government to examine revoking the citizenship of anyone convicted of such crimes. "Neo-Nazism is a terrible thing. Israel is the one country where this shouldn't happen," she insisted. "But it's not enough to ban it. You have to look at the root of things. What kind of education did these people receive? Kids like this don't come from nowhere."
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Monday, September 10, 2007
By Eric Silver in Jerusalem
Six decades after Israel was founded to ensure that Jews would never suffer another Holocaust, the Jewish state has smashed its first cell of neo-Nazis.
The idea was so unthinkable that the country has no law against neo-Nazi activity.
Eight Russian immigrants, aged 16 to 21, were remanded in custody in the Ramleh magistrates' court, near Tel-Aviv, yesterday. They covered their faces with their shirts, baring arms tattooed with neo-Nazi insignia and slogans, and protested their innocence. A ninth suspect has fled the country. They are to be charged tomorrow with causing bodily harm, illegally possessing weapons and denying the Holocaust.
Superintendent Revital Almog, who headed the investigation, said: "The level of violence was outrageous."
One of the young men was Jewish. The rest were admitted under Israeli legislation, which grants citizenship to anyone with at least one Jewish grandparent and entry permits to the families of gentiles married to Jews. About one million immigrants, many with tenuous ties to Judaism, moved to Israel in the early 1990s after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
The cell's alleged leader was named as Eli Buanitov. Detectives said they found an email message on his computer saying: "I won't have kids. My grandfather is half Yid, so that this piece of trash won't have ancestors with even the smallest percent of Jewish blood." In another file, he was quoted as writing: "I will never give up. I was a Nazi and will remain a Nazi. I won't rest until we kill them all."
Undercover police began tracking the cell after two synagogues in the Tel-Aviv satellite town of Petah Tikva were desecrated and yeshiva students were beaten. Internal and external walls were spray-painted with swastikas, as well as "Heil Hitler" and "Death to the Jews" graffiti.
The religious community in the town has complained of a reign of terror. "There are people here who simply hate Jews," said Nahum Taub, a synagogue sexton. Rabbi Yigal Rosen, who heads a yeshiva, reported that three of his students were ambushed as they walked through a local park. The assailants beat them, called them names and held a knife to the neck of one student before stealing their mobile phones.
Inspector Micky Rosenfeld, a police spokesman, said the suspects had filmed themselves beating 15 ultra-Orthodox Jews, foreign workers, homosexuals, homeless people, drunks and drug addicts. In one particularly brutal assault, the whole group set about a Thai worker in the old Tel-Aviv bus station. He had to be treated in hospital.
Detectives who raided their homes found the films and a photograph of one of the group brandishing an M-16 assault rifle. They also confiscated knives, an improvised pistol, TNT, wires and detonators.
Some of the footage was shown at yesterday's cabinet meeting. Ehud Olmert, the Prime Minister, said: "We saw the appalling documentation of violence for its own sake. We as a society have failed in educating these youths and distancing them from crazy and dangerous ideologies."
Inspector Rosenfeld said the eight had neo-Nazi tattoos on their arms. They would meet every few days and decide who and where to attack next. Searches of their computers and video cassettes revealed links to racist groups in Germany and the United States.
The case has shocked Israelis and prompted calls for the government to reconsider its immigration policy and to outlaw neo-Nazi and other hate crimes.
Efraim Zuroff, who is still hunting Nazi war criminals for the Simon Weisenthal Centre, said: "The writing was on the wall. This is what happens when you have laws that allow immediate citizenship to people with little connection to Jewish history, the Jewish people, the Jewish religion and Jewish culture."
Avner Shalev, the chairman of the Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial authority, said: "Neo-Nazi activity, wherever it appears, must be treated with the utmost seriousness and the perpetrators prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
"While this is a marginal and extreme case, it is nevertheless intolerable. It must be combated and addressed in the legal and educational systems."
Colette Avital, a Labour MP, leads a group of about 20 legislators from all parties who have been pressing for a ban on neo-Nazi symbols and neo-Nazi activities. She was confident that their private members' bill would now pass.
Ms Avital, who was a child fugitive in German-occupied Romania, urged the government to examine revoking the citizenship of anyone convicted of such crimes. "Neo-Nazism is a terrible thing. Israel is the one country where this shouldn't happen," she insisted. "But it's not enough to ban it. You have to look at the root of things. What kind of education did these people receive? Kids like this don't come from nowhere."
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Rocky Marciano
Newbie
C Darwin said:
And they shouldn't. If these folks assaulted someone and the state is
confident it can prove its' case against them, then charge them with
assault, but leave their ideology, tattoos and symbols out of it. What club
they belong to shouldn't matter. Unless of course you want a
homogeneous society, then they should be deported. But if this is the
case, then South Africa shouldn't have been strong armed into giving up
apartheid and the Southern United States into giving up Jim Crow
(segregation). It's an unjust and reprehensible double standard.
ToughJ.Riggins
Hall of Famer
One of the charges against them was apparently "denying the Holocaust"? How is that a crime? I think it is a ridiculous notion to believe the Holocaust was fictional, but that shouldn't be considered a crime, just stupidity.
Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
You have to understand that a lot of these groups and incidents are staged
by the government itself to shape public opinion. In this case, its to tighten
up the immigration laws to allow only pure jews in, which was controversial
before. They are called "false flag operations".
by the government itself to shape public opinion. In this case, its to tighten
up the immigration laws to allow only pure jews in, which was controversial
before. They are called "false flag operations".
yanling
Guru
I live in West Los Angeles and there's a lot of Jewish people here.
They kind of keep to themselves, and let you know in no uncertain terms that they don't want to mingle with you if you're not Jewish.
My wife and I donated $100 to their Chabad Telethon earlier this month, though, because one of my coworkers put the bite on me and I was too much of a p***y to say no.
They kind of keep to themselves, and let you know in no uncertain terms that they don't want to mingle with you if you're not Jewish.
My wife and I donated $100 to their Chabad Telethon earlier this month, though, because one of my coworkers put the bite on me and I was too much of a p***y to say no.
Rocky Marciano
Newbie
ToughJ.Riggins said:One of the charges against them was
apparently "denying the Holocaust"? How is that a crime? I think it is a
ridiculous notion to believe the Holocaust was fictional, but that shouldn't
be considered a crime, just stupidity.
Yeah, who wouldn't think that. However, when an open minded and
thoughtful person reads something like this:
"The Holocaust: Let's Hear Both Sides
By Mark Weber
Everyone has heard that the Nazi regime systematically killed some six
million Jews in Europe during World War II, most of them in gas
chambers. We're told this repeatedly on television, in motion pictures, in
books, and in newspaper and magazine articles. Holocaust education
courses are obligatory in many schools. Holocaust remembrance
ceremonies are held annually across the country. Every large American
city has at least one Holocaust museum. In Washington, DC, the official
US Holocaust Memorial Museum attracts hundreds of thousands of
visitors each year.
Scholars Challenge Holocaust Story
But not everyone accepts the familiar Holocaust story. Skeptics include
Dr. Arthur Butz of Northwestern University, Roger Garaudy and Prof.
Robert Faurisson in France, and best-selling British historian David Irving.
These "revisionist" writers do not "deny the Holocaust." They
acknowledge the catastrophe suffered by Europe's Jews during World War
II. They do not dispute that large numbers of Jews were cruelly uprooted
from their homes, forced into overcrowded ghettos or deported to
concentration camps. They acknowledge that many hundreds of
thousands of European Jews died or were killed, often under horrendous
circumstances.
At the same time, revisionist scholars cite impressive but often ignored
evidence to support their view that there was no German program to
exterminate Europe's Jews, that numerous claims of mass killings in "gas
chambers" are false, and that the figure of six million Jewish wartime
dead is an exaggeration...
...In many countries, skepticism of Holocaust claims is suppressed or
even prohibited.
In the United States , teachers have been dismissed for expressing
heretical views on this issue. In Canada, the United States and France,
thugs have brutally attacked Holocaust skeptics. One was even killed for
his views. [21]
In a few countries, including France and Germany, "Holocaust denial" is a
crime. Many individuals have been imprisoned, heavily fined or forced
into exile for expressing doubt about aspects of the official Holocaust
story."
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/bothsides.shtml
They begin to wonder if maybe there isn't something to the claims and
unfortunately, have relatively few places to turn to explore them. So if
they pursue these questions, they may become dependent on one source
of information. Hence, they are vulnerable to manipulation by this
source. Therefore, if we de-criminalized the questioning of the Jewish-
Holocaust and even supported the pursuit, we could save a lot of minds
from victimization and perhaps gain a deeper understanding of our own
beliefs.