DID Gerry Cooney take a dive??

[johnnyboy]

jwhite96's post pretty much gives the "Clff Notes" reason why sorry for himself Cooney got his ass handed to him that night, after the sixth round. He should be a lesson to all white heavyweight fighters of what not to do, especially if you have talent.

it's so true. if you'er going to be a fighter, you've got to train hard. all the talent in the world isn't going to help you if you don't have the lungs to make it past the 3rd round. Westside, as usual, you're analysis of the Holmes-Cooney fight was spot on.

 

[Westside]

Hey johnnyboy, where have you been. Long time no post(s), this thread has devolved into the absurd. Not going to name names, but I think its been somewhat a waste of time. Larry Holmes, as history attests was a good fighter and HOFer. Cooney should have come into that fight ripped and being able to go 15 rds, instead of his two week long beer infested soft body that he had for the biggest night of his life.

I will not make a another post on this thread that evolved in conspiracies.

johnnyboy thanks for your insight as well as Sports Historian insidght.

 

[Westside]

As Sports Historian so eloquently stated a bunch of buffonery to say the least.

 

[jaxvid]

Odd how Gerry Cooney threads are so divisive on CF. He was probably the best white fighter of his generation. He had some great fights and even the Holmes loss was a good effort. I guess all the hassle is because he was the lone white figure of pride in the game at that time. His subsequent let down in his career was a big downer for anyone who had invested emotionally in him.

I have related several times here my experiences of watching the fight on a movie screen in a theater full of black and white men who were cheering for 'their' fighter. I also still have a couple of sports magazines with Cooney's face on them, I rarely bought sorts magazines in those days, which is a testament to his star power. I think that he was especially likable because he was a winner, young, in good shape and relatively handsome, until the Klitscho's few white fighters could make that claim.

 

[freedom1]

The Klitschko brothers have been the difference. They initially hit some road blocks, but both of them persevered, and ushered in this major breakthrough that has already made us spoiled. Being a boxing fan in the 70s, 80s, even 90s really makes me realize how good we have it today.

Speaking of tactical errors, Tommy Morrison immediately comes to mind. He tried to slug with Ray Mercer when he could've easily outboxed him. And he tried to box with Lennox Lewis who he could've mowed down if he would've attacked him the same way he did Mercer. I've always thought Lewis was overrated. Just my opinion.

Right before the Klitscko era, Andrew Golota did all kinds of stupid things. And I think he was drugged against Lewis.

Going back to the time of Cooney (just a little before), Gerrie Coetzee snatched defeat from the jaws of victory against Mike Weaver. Holmes ducked Coetzee.

 

[whiteathlete33]

Golota was probably the best white heavyweight in the mid to late 90's. I know both Klitschko brothers started fighting in 1996 but they weren't well known and hadn't fought any top competition as of yet. Golota was very well known in the US because of all the Polish fans here. He disgraced Poland and Polish people too many times to forgive. He's a bum to me.

 

[bigunreal]

Amazing. Intelligent people maintaining that boxing isn't crooked. Also, regular CF posters poo-pooing the idea that those who run boxing might have an agenda to keep black fighters dominant. You all sound like typical DWFs on a mainstream forum.

What would you call the Caste System, if not a conspiracy?

 

[whiteathlete33]

Amazing. Intelligent people maintaining that boxing isn't crooked. Also, regular CF posters poo-pooing the idea that those who run boxing might have an agenda to keep black fighters dominant. You all sound like typical DWFs on a mainstream forum.



What would you call the Caste System, if not a conspiracy?

Bigunreal, are you referring to my post about David Haye vs. Valuev? In this particular fight I say the judges were paid off in order to have a black champion. It's too obvious. Haye didn't win the fight and it took place in Germany of all places, not England.
Edited by: whiteathlete33

 

[space hillbilly]

If buffoonery of this type, rather than serious discussion, is going to be the norm, it may be time for me to leave. This time, permanently.

I believe we need to keep this on an adult level without adolescent insults and childish threats too quit!

 

[space hillbilly]

I looked it up. Cooney had fought less than two rounds - less than four minutes - in the prior two years, having KO'd Lyle and Norton in round one. He had nine KO's in a row - and then all of a  sudden he turns into a boxer vs. Holmes. 

Right, and why did he turn into a boxer? remember the white kid that ko'd Kimbo Slice?
he said they asked him not to take Bimbo down! or kick him,

maybe they came to Cooney before the Holmes fight and said "look Gerry,
if you knock Holmes out, the blacks may go crazy! and a lot of people can get hurt".....

Maybe so.  I'll have to watch the fight again with an eye to the possibility that Cooney was deliberately holding back.  He should have come out winging his devastating left hook as he always did before, but strangely didn't that night.I hadn't heard that story about Seth Petruzelli before - but I know that Antonio Inoki was told not to take down Cassius Clay in their wrestler-boxer fight years before.

If you watch the fight, take note of how Cooney went down early
from a nothing Holmes punch, that was to keep the blacks in the crowd from going crazy.....

Cooney seemed to be "holding back" because Holmes wouldn't let himself be trapped in a corner as Lyle and Norton did in Cooney's one round KO's before the title fight. What did Cooney have to gain by taking a dive compared to the fortune he would have made as heavyweight champion of the world?

Do you think that Peter was "holding back" against Klitschko? Are the Klitschkos victories also fixed?

Peter came out swing, Cooney didn't.
back in the 80's heavyweight boxing was a 99% black sport,
and they had a long history of takeing up the torch if things didn't go their way.....

you are reaching to say the least. Cooney threw away whatever chance he had at winning by not training hard. he should've come in ripped and tried to clobber Holmes early like he did with Norton.

you also mention that "heavyweight boxing was a 99% black sport." if that's the case, then Holmes would be the one getting bribed, not Cooney. remember, the "great white hope" tagline sells huge in boxing.

No! it is not me reaching, it is people on sites like this that do the work for the white haters, that your saying is anti-caste football, that 99% of boxing is black, so they really wanted a white hope, can't you see, they didn't want a white hope! they wanted to make white males look weak, and you bought it! you plaid the fool, but forgive me if i dont...

 

[Charles Martel]

Gerry Cooney let himself down with drinking and drug abuse. He had a lot of talent ,but let it go to waste. That's partly why the Klitschkos have been more consistently successful: they take good care of themselves.

Wlad didn't foolishly drown his sorrow after his losses with drugs and booze like Cooney and Hatton have.

 

[space hillbilly]

Gerry Cooney let himself down with drinking and drug abuse. He had a lot of talent ,but let it go to waste. That's partly why the Klitschkos have been more consistently successful: they take good care of themselves.

Wlad didn't foolishly drown his sorrow after his losses with drugs and booze like Cooney and Hatton have.

first, I really respect opinion perody, but you don't think there was something funny with Cooney out and not going for the knock out on Holmes??

 

[space hillbilly]

Gerry Cooney let himself down with drinking and drug abuse. He had a lot of talent ,but let it go to waste. That's partly why the Klitschkos have been more consistently successful: they take good care of themselves.

Wlad didn't foolishly drown his sorrow after his losses with drugs and booze like Cooney and Hatton have.

first, I really respect opinion perody, but you don't think there was something funny with Cooney coming out and not going for the knock out on Holmes??

 

[Charles Martel]

first, I really respect opinion perody, but you don't think there was something funny with Cooney out and not going for the knock out on Holmes??

Maybe he was intimidated by all the potentially violent negroes in the crowd. I remember the ruckus after Golota beat up Bowe, and there was a even a mini-riot after Maskaev knocked Rahman out of the ring.

Maybe Cooney was told by Don King to let it go into the later rounds?

We'll never know for sure.

 

[whiteathlete33]

first, I really respect opinion perody, but you don't think there was something funny with Cooney out and not going for the knock out on Holmes??

Maybe he was intimidated by all the potentially violent negroes in the crowd. I remember the ruckus after Golota beat up Bowe, and there was a even a mini-riot after Maskaev knocked Rahman out of the ring.

Maybe Cooney was told by Don King to let it go into the later rounds?



We'll never know for sure.

I watched both Golota-Bowe fights. Obviously in the second fight nothing happened but the first one was truly TNB. Yes Golota is an idiot and if he hadn't thrown those low blows he would have won the fight. After the "Foul Pole" disqualified himself one of Bowe's negro henchmen stormed after Golota inside the ring and hit him with a walkie-talkie. After that it was negroes gone wild. These people have absolutely no respect for white people or authority.

 

[space hillbilly]

first, I really respect opinion perody, but you don't think there was something funny with Cooney out and not going for the knock out on Holmes??

Maybe he was intimidated by all the potentially violent negroes in the crowd. I remember the ruckus after Golota beat up Bowe, and there was a even a mini-riot after Maskaev knocked Rahman out of the ring.

Maybe Cooney was told by Don King to let it go into the later rounds?

We'll never know for sure.

Right, I believe there was some perssure on Cooney to not pull a Ken Norton and blow Holmes away early, if you watch the fight, from the first round the black in the crowd was about to go off at any time....

 

[space hillbilly]

first, I really respect opinion perody, but you don't think there was something funny with Cooney out and not going for the knock out on Holmes??

Maybe he was intimidated by all the potentially violent negroes in the crowd. I remember the ruckus after Golota beat up Bowe, and there was a even a mini-riot after Maskaev knocked Rahman out of the ring.

Maybe Cooney was told by Don King to let it go into the later rounds?

We'll never know for sure.

I watched both Golota-Bowe fights.  Obviously in the second fight nothing happened but the first one was truly TNB.  Yes Golota is an idiot and if he hadn't thrown those low blows he would have won the fight.  After the "Foul Pole" disqualified himself one of Bowe's negro henchmen stormed after Golota inside the ring and hit him with a walkie-talkie.  After that it was negroes gone wild.  These people have absolutely no respect for white people or authority.

In the Golota/Bowe fight it was so clear that Golota was throwing the fight!
Holyfield was not wanting to fight Bowe again, Golota was Holyfield's sparring partner and they had the same trainer, funny how Golota got Holyfield out of the Bowe fight??

 

[whiteathlete33]

first, I really respect opinion perody, but you don't think there was something funny with Cooney out and not going for the knock out on Holmes??

Maybe he was intimidated by all the potentially violent negroes in the crowd. I remember the ruckus after Golota beat up Bowe, and there was a even a mini-riot after Maskaev knocked Rahman out of the ring.

Maybe Cooney was told by Don King to let it go into the later rounds?



We'll never know for sure.

I watched both Golota-Bowe fights. Obviously in the second fight nothing happened but the first one was truly TNB. Yes Golota is an idiot and if he hadn't thrown those low blows he would have won the fight. After the "Foul Pole" disqualified himself one of Bowe's negro henchmen stormed after Golota inside the ring and hit him with a walkie-talkie. After that it was negroes gone wild. These people have absolutely no respect for white people or authority.

In the Golota/Bowe fight it was so clear that Golota was throwing the fight!

Holyfield was not wanting to fight Bowe again, Golota was Holyfield's sparring partner and they had the same trainer, funny how Golota got Holyfield out of the Bowe fight??

I have heard rumors that Golota's life was threatened by blacks before the Bowe fight. You could be right and it certainly looks like he threw that fight. If it were any other fighter I'd agree with you 100% that he threw the fight.

There is a tiny part of me that still believes Golota is just that stupid. Take a look at his track record. Quitting in the Michael Grant fight in which he had a commanding lead. Golota also bit Danell Nicholson back in 1996. Then he quit, or possibly threw fights with Lewis and Brewster. No way Golota couldn't last at least until the middle rounds with either of them. Losing in the first round in the both fights was a bunch of bull. Then there was the Ray Austin fight. I'll say he wasn't faking that fight as I saw how swollen his arm was. He did break it. That's why a tiny part of me still feels it may have just been Golota's stupidity.

 

[space hillbilly]

first, I really respect opinion perody, but you don't think there was something funny with Cooney out and not going for the knock out on Holmes??

Maybe he was intimidated by all the potentially violent negroes in the crowd. I remember the ruckus after Golota beat up Bowe, and there was a even a mini-riot after Maskaev knocked Rahman out of the ring.

Maybe Cooney was told by Don King to let it go into the later rounds?

We'll never know for sure.

I watched both Golota-Bowe fights.  Obviously in the second fight nothing happened but the first one was truly TNB.  Yes Golota is an idiot and if he hadn't thrown those low blows he would have won the fight.  After the "Foul Pole" disqualified himself one of Bowe's negro henchmen stormed after Golota inside the ring and hit him with a walkie-talkie.  After that it was negroes gone wild.  These people have absolutely no respect for white people or authority.

In the Golota/Bowe fight it was so clear that Golota was throwing the fight!
Holyfield was not wanting to fight Bowe again, Golota was Holyfield's sparring partner and they had the same trainer, funny how Golota got Holyfield out of the Bowe fight??

I have heard rumors that Golota's life was threatened by blacks before the Bowe fight.  You could be right and it certainly looks like he threw that fight.  If it were any other fighter I'd agree with you 100% that he threw the fight.  There is a tiny part of me that still believes Golota is just that stupid.  Take a look at his track record.  Quitting in the Michael Grant fight in which he had a commanding lead.   Golota also bit Danell Nicholson back in 1996.  Then he quit, or possibly threw fights with Lewis and Brewster.  No way Golota couldn't last at least until the middle rounds with either of them.   Losing in the first round in the both fights was a bunch of bull.  Then there was the Ray Austin fight.  I'll say he wasn't faking that fight as I saw how swollen his arm was.  He did break it.  That's why a tiny part of me still feels it may have just been Golota's stupidity.

Not only that fight but the Tyson fight too! I remember one of the biggist punchers of all times [Samson Po'uha] hitting Golota with everything but the ref, and he didn't even knock Golota down, much less out, but in the Tyson fight Golota went down from a nothing punch.......

 

[sport historian]

As Sports Historian so eloquently stated a bunch of buffonery to say the least.

Thanks, Westside. You know your stuff.

Most all boxing promoters and media types (Howard Cosell includued) wanted Cooney to beat Holmes because it would have increased interest in boxing. For example, more boxing magazines would have been sold and more TV fights. Gerry Cooney as champion would have had a trickle down effect.

J.B. Cash and Don in a radio show several years ago (while discussing a comment of mine) talked of the tremendous longing among white sports fans for a Cooney victory. I've followed sports for some 50 years and up till recently, and to put it mildly, far more people wanted a white heavyweight champion than didn't.

 

[whiteathlete33]

As Sports Historian so eloquently stated a bunch of buffonery to say the least.

Thanks, Westside. You know your stuff.



Most all boxing promoters and media types (Howard Cosell includued) wanted Cooney to beat Holmes because it would have increased interest in boxing. For example, more boxing magazines would have been sold and more TV fights. Gerry Cooney as champion would have had a trickle down effect.



J.B. Cash and Don in a radio show several years ago (while discussing a comment of mine) talked of the tremendous longing among white sports fans for a Cooney victory. I've followed sports for some 50 years and up till recently, and to put it mildly, far more people wanted a white heavyweight champion than didn't.

I'm going to be honest and say I don' really have an opinion on Cooney-Holmes fight. I was only a baby then. I won't argue this fight with anyone but I'd like to know what bigunreal was referring to before. If he was referring to the Haye-Valuev fight then we have something to talk about.

 

[space hillbilly]

As Sports Historian so eloquently stated a bunch of buffonery to say the least.

Thanks, Westside. You know your stuff.

Most all boxing promoters and media types (Howard Cosell includued) wanted Cooney to beat Holmes because it would have increased interest in boxing. For example, more boxing magazines would have been sold and more TV fights. Gerry Cooney as champion would have had a trickle down effect.

J.B. Cash and Don in a radio show several years ago (while discussing a comment of mine) talked of the tremendous longing among white sports fans for a Cooney victory. I've followed sports for some 50 years and up till recently, and to put it mildly, far more people wanted a white heavyweight champion than didn't.

Thank god! I've seen you on active users for the past two hours makeing this post, did you have to use a dictionary??

Now, I can just see the jew Cosell wanting Cooney to win the world title! are you stupid??
Cosell was in love with black fighters!
like ali and Foreman,

I really think you need to find a new forum,
because you hold the party line better than the DWFs.........Edited by: lost

 

[jaxvid]

Chill out guys. A site "mentor" and a "master" can have a difference of opinion, it should not be considered a difference of philosophy. Valued posters should not be telling each other to leave or feeling it is necessary to do so. That's not how we roll here. I've had my share of differences with various posters, forget it and move on. Thread locked.